On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote:
>
> The 25/03/14, J. Roeleveld wrote:
>
> > It has already been determined that on this list we do not want extra CCs,
>
> I think you have determined this on your side (I'm not doing a personal
> attack, "you" is not "you" alone).
>
What u
The 25/03/14, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> It has already been determined that on this list we do not want extra CCs,
I think you have determined this on your side (I'm not doing a personal
attack, "you" is not "you" alone).
> Please respect that and don't reopen this discussion.
Please don't tell us
On 26/03/2014 01:34, »Q« wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Mar 2014 00:25:26 +0200
> Alan McKinnon wrote:
>
>> On 25/03/2014 22:08, »Q« wrote:
>>> On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 06:37:20 -0400
>>> Tanstaafl wrote:
>>>
On 3/20/2014 5:48 PM, »Q« wrote:
> Why should Gentoo have a default?
Defaults are a
On Wed, 26 Mar 2014 00:25:26 +0200
Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 25/03/2014 22:08, »Q« wrote:
> > On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 06:37:20 -0400
> > Tanstaafl wrote:
> >
> >> On 3/20/2014 5:48 PM, »Q« wrote:
> >>> Why should Gentoo have a default?
> >>
> >> Defaults are always a good idea - as long as they ar
On 25/03/2014 22:08, »Q« wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 06:37:20 -0400
> Tanstaafl wrote:
>
>> On 3/20/2014 5:48 PM, »Q« wrote:
>>> Why should Gentoo have a default?
>>
>> Defaults are always a good idea - as long as they are reasonable and
>> rational.
>
> In that case, Gentoo is missing a lot
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 06:37:20 -0400
Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 3/20/2014 5:48 PM, »Q« wrote:
> > Why should Gentoo have a default?
>
> Defaults are always a good idea - as long as they are reasonable and
> rational.
In that case, Gentoo is missing a lot of "good" things, from a default
system logge
On Tue, March 25, 2014 16:35, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote:
> The 21/03/14, Tom Wijsman wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 07:10:49 -0500
>> Dale wrote:
>>
>> > So let's get this straight. You want most everyone on this list to
>> > change what they have to do to remove dups caused by you, instead of
>> > y
The 21/03/14, Dale wrote:
> Tom Wijsman wrote:
> > On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 12:41:03 -0500
> > Dale wrote:
> >
> >> FYI. Most people don't say anything, they just blacklist you. After
> >> that, you don't exist to them.
> > Yes, that's up to those few; it could happen, but most respond instead.
>
>
The 21/03/14, Tom Wijsman wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 07:10:49 -0500
> Dale wrote:
>
> > So let's get this straight. You want most everyone on this list to
> > change what they have to do to remove dups caused by you, instead of
> > you changing what you do to fix the problem?
>
> Everyone els
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 06:37:20 -0400
Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 3/20/2014 5:48 PM, »Q« wrote:
> > Why should Gentoo have a default?
>
> Defaults are always a good idea - as long as they are reasonable and
> rational.
Depends on how you think about it; one could claim a DE as default as
reasonable an
On 3/20/2014 5:48 PM, »Q« wrote:
Why should Gentoo have a default?
Defaults are always a good idea - as long as they are reasonable and
rational.
ISTM the only good reason is that not having a default would make the
documentation a lot more complicated.
Documentation, *and* the install p
On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 22:15:32 +0100
Tom Wijsman wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 02:27:11 +0600
> Andrew Savchenko wrote:
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> > On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 21:00:27 +0100 Tom Wijsman wrote:
> > > > OpenRC is default in Gentoo now, and it is my best hope it will
> > > > be.
> > >
> > > Do you have a sou
On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 09:07:17 +0100
Nicolas Sebrecht wrote:
> I don't know the code, sorry. Since I've already tried the
> 'eselect init' command, I'm pretty sure it doesn't install anything.
While you might be able to code it to do such thing, it probably
shouldn't; it's a tool for "select"ing f
Am 21.02.2014 23:43, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:
>> And now with 209 there is a new systemd-networkd deamon that is started
>> by default even if not configured or used.
>>
>> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTYxMTI
>
> $ ./configure --help | grep networkd
> --disable-networ
The 26/02/14, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> Sabayon uses binary packages, isn't?
Yes.
> Then eselect perhaps uninstalls
> some packages and installs others?
I don't know the code, sorry. Since I've already tried the
'eselect init' command, I'm pretty sure it
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 4:03 AM, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote:
> The 20/02/14, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>
>> > Thinking about this more, since apparently using a separate profile may
>>just
>> > be 'overkill', how about something simpler, like, for example, using
>> > eselect...
>> >
>> > Somethin
The 20/02/14, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> > Thinking about this more, since apparently using a separate profile may
>just
> > be 'overkill', how about something simpler, like, for example, using
> > eselect...
> >
> > Something like:
> >
> > # eselect init list
> > Available init systems:
> >
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>>> Even self-destructive behavior is in the vast majority of
>>> cases engaged in with the *intention* of profit. Best example I
>>> can think of would be a drug addict/alcoholic. When they
>>> use/drink, they 'profit' in that the feel better (albei
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Sebastian Beßler
wrote:
> On 21.02.2014 08:42, Andrew Savchenko wrote:
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>> So all talks about systemd being modular are nothing more than
>> nonsense. Guess what will happen on segfault in libsystemd.so?
>> Segfaults in pid 1 are so nice to bear...
>
> And now wit
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 19:35:39 +
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> Tanstaafl:
> > On 2014-02-21 12:17 PM, hasufell wrote:
> >> Then you ignore self-destructive behaviour which is a common
> >> thing in this world. It can even be intentional, causing no
>
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 10:56:31 -0500
Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 2014-02-21 10:28 AM, Gevisz wrote:
> > On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 09:03:47 -0500
> > Tanstaafl wrote:
> >
> >> On 2014-02-21 8:54 AM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
> >>> If you think all profit is the same, then we are talking on two
> >>> different w
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 1:42 AM, Andrew Savchenko wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 18:08:43 -0600 Daniel Campbell wrote:
>> It's marginally clever, but so clearly obvious at the same time. It's
>> sad (to me) that the community didn't see it coming. Those who did have
>> been written off as conspiracy
On 21.02.2014 08:42, Andrew Savchenko wrote:
> So all talks about systemd being modular are nothing more than
> nonsense. Guess what will happen on segfault in libsystemd.so?
> Segfaults in pid 1 are so nice to bear...
And now with 209 there is a new systemd-networkd deamon that is started
by def
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 9:22 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
(When I say "I'm done", I mean it; I'm making an exception to explain
a mistake you made).
> Firstly, you don't control whether or not I send an e-mail.
No, I don't; I never said that. This is a public non-moderated mailing
list; anyone ca
On 2014-02-21 2:35 PM, hasufell wrote:
Tanstaafl:
On 2014-02-21 12:17 PM, hasufell wrote:
Then you ignore self-destructive behaviour which is a common
thing in this world. It can even be intentional, causing no
emotional, financial, social or intellectual profit. Maybe you
have never met such
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Tanstaafl:
> On 2014-02-21 12:17 PM, hasufell wrote:
>> Then you ignore self-destructive behaviour which is a common
>> thing in this world. It can even be intentional, causing no
>> emotional, financial, social or intellectual profit. Maybe you
>>
On 2014-02-21 12:17 PM, hasufell wrote:
Then you ignore self-destructive behaviour which is a common thing in
this world. It can even be intentional, causing no emotional,
financial, social or intellectual profit. Maybe you have never met
such a person or have never been in such an environment.
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Tanstaafl:
> On 2014-02-21 11:23 AM, hasufell wrote:
>>> Even someone who volunteers in the local soup kitchen feeding
>>> the homeless is doing so under the profit motive. The things
>>> is, the 'profit' involved (may) only involve(s) a 'warm fuzzy
On 2014-02-21 11:23 AM, hasufell wrote:
Even someone who volunteers in the local soup kitchen feeding the
homeless is doing so under the profit motive. The things is, the
'profit' involved (may) only involve(s) a 'warm fuzzy good
feeling'.
If you read my previous words, I said it wasn't always
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Tanstaafl:
> On 2014-02-21 10:28 AM, Gevisz wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 09:03:47 -0500 Tanstaafl
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2014-02-21 8:54 AM, Daniel Campbell
>>> wrote:
If you think all profit is the same, then we are talking on
two differ
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 09:02:31 -0500
Tanstaafl wrote:
> As long as OpenRC is the default init system in Gentoo, it is on
> those who want something *other* than OpenRC (ie, systemd) to do the
> work of implementing it.
It's the job of whoever wants any init system to work to make it work,
isn't it
On 2014-02-21 10:28 AM, Gevisz wrote:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 09:03:47 -0500
Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2014-02-21 8:54 AM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
If you think all profit is the same, then we are talking on two
different wavelengths.
I didn't say that. I said that *everyone* operates under the profi
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 09:03:47 -0500
Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 2014-02-21 8:54 AM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
> > If you think all profit is the same, then we are talking on two
> > different wavelengths.
>
> I didn't say that. I said that *everyone* operates under the profit
> motive.
And that is simpl
On 2014-02-21 8:54 AM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
If you think all profit is the same, then we are talking on two
different wavelengths.
I didn't say that. I said that *everyone* operates under the profit motive.
On 02/21/2014 07:43 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 2014-02-21 8:34 AM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
>> On 02/21/2014 07:24 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
>>> On 2014-02-20 9:39 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
Indeed, Greg doesn't work for Red Hat. Prior to working for LF,
however,
he worked for Novell, anot
On 2014-02-20 7:08 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
By striking the weakest part of the stack (sysv probably*did*
need a good replacement, but not one as ambitious as systemd) and
digging down into the kernel level (kdbus), Red Hat devs will now have a
very influential role in the FOSS world. This wil
On 2014-02-21 8:34 AM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
On 02/21/2014 07:24 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2014-02-20 9:39 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
Indeed, Greg doesn't work for Red Hat. Prior to working for LF, however,
he worked for Novell, another for-profit Linux company.
Good god, is that the best y
On 02/21/2014 07:24 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 2014-02-20 9:39 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
>> Indeed, Greg doesn't work for Red Hat. Prior to working for LF, however,
>> he worked for Novell, another for-profit Linux company.
>
> Good god, is that the best you can do?
>
> What is your aversion to
On 2014-02-20 9:39 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
Indeed, Greg doesn't work for Red Hat. Prior to working for LF, however,
he worked for Novell, another for-profit Linux company.
Good god, is that the best you can do?
What is your aversion to 'profit', anyway? You do realize that
*everyone* oper
21.02.2014 12:48, Alan McKinnon пишет:
On 21/02/2014 09:03, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote:
Your idea instantly fails as the rc-service author has no idea of what
you defined ${SERVICE} to be and no way to determine what it is now.
Yes, the rc-service author does not have any idea because he is not
re
On 21/02/2014 09:03, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote:
>> Your idea instantly fails as the rc-service author has no idea of what
>> you defined ${SERVICE} to be and no way to determine what it is now.
>
> Yes, the rc-service author does not have any idea because he is not
> requested to.
> ${SERVICE} obviou
On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 18:08:43 -0600 Daniel Campbell wrote:
> It's marginally clever, but so clearly obvious at the same time. It's
> sad (to me) that the community didn't see it coming. Those who did have
> been written off as conspiracy theorists or FUDders. Time will reveal all.
Indeed time revea
20.02.2014 19:24, Alan McKinnon пишет:
On 20/02/2014 13:53, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote:
I don't need such 'solutions' to non-existent problems. But if there
were a *real* necessity to pretty-print a log's tail in service status,
I think it would have been a matter of a proper setup (i.e. the servi
On 02/20/2014 08:53 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 8:39 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
>> On 02/20/2014 07:42 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
On 02/15/2014 08:09 PM, walt wrote:
> On 02/15/2014 12:30 PM, Dan
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 8:39 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
> On 02/20/2014 07:42 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
>>> On 02/15/2014 08:09 PM, walt wrote:
On 02/15/2014 12:30 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
> The social
> tactics at wor
On 02/20/2014 07:42 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
>> On 02/15/2014 08:09 PM, walt wrote:
>>> On 02/15/2014 12:30 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
The social
tactics at work from the systemd team (and verily, other Red Hat
projects
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
> On 02/15/2014 08:09 PM, walt wrote:
>> On 02/15/2014 12:30 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
>>> The social
>>> tactics at work from the systemd team (and verily, other Red Hat
>>> projects like GNOME) are reminiscent of Microsoft through the use
On 02/15/2014 08:09 PM, walt wrote:
> On 02/15/2014 12:30 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
>> The social
>> tactics at work from the systemd team (and verily, other Red Hat
>> projects like GNOME) are reminiscent of Microsoft through the use of the
>> "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" methodology.
>
> I cer
On 20/02/2014 13:53, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote:
> I don't need such 'solutions' to non-existent problems. But if there
> were a *real* necessity to pretty-print a log's tail in service status,
> I think it would have been a matter of a proper setup (i.e. the service
> using syslog, hence a defined log
20.02.2014 15:33, Nicolas Sebrecht пишет:
The 20/02/14, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote:
(see [2]) will print the status of the Apache web server, and also the
last lines from the logs. You can control how many lines. You can
check also with the journal, as I showed up.
I believe it would be a 5-min
The 20/02/14, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote:
> > (see [2]) will print the status of the Apache web server, and also the
> > last lines from the logs. You can control how many lines. You can
> > check also with the journal, as I showed up.
>
> I believe it would be a 5-minutes job to add the capability o
On Tue, Feb 18 2014, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 2:19 AM, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote:
>> The 17/02/14, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>>
>>> It depends; right now you can't switch back and forth between OpenRC
>>> and systemd without reemerging some stuff.
>>
>> Interesting. Didn
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 2:19 AM, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote:
> The 17/02/14, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>
>> It depends; right now you can't switch back and forth between OpenRC
>> and systemd without reemerging some stuff.
>
> Interesting. Didn't know that. What packages need to be recompiled?
Some
The 17/02/14, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> It depends; right now you can't switch back and forth between OpenRC
> and systemd without reemerging some stuff.
Interesting. Didn't know that. What packages need to be recompiled?
BTW, respect for your patience in this thread!
--
Nicolas Sebrecht
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 07:22:17 +0200
Samuli Suominen wrote:
> How long has it been since Debian decided to go with systemd? Like,
> three? So, up until three days ago I would have disagreed since
> despite original upstream ditching ConsoleKit, it was still being
> maintained by Debian and Gentoo m
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 4:09 AM, walt wrote:
>
> On 02/15/2014 12:30 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
> > The social
> > tactics at work from the systemd team (and verily, other Red Hat
> > projects like GNOME) are reminiscent of Microsoft through the use of the
> > "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" methodo
On 02/15/2014 12:30 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
> The social
> tactics at work from the systemd team (and verily, other Red Hat
> projects like GNOME) are reminiscent of Microsoft through the use of the
> "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" methodology.
I certainly share your hostility towards M$ for sup
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 14:34:34 -0600, Daniel Campbell
wrote:
> Why didn't they consider runit? It has parallel execution of daemons
> and is backwards compatible with sysv. It has a few other
> mini-features as well, iirc. I used for a little while before Arch
> pushed systemd on their community and
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