Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [WAY OT] wanna learn networking internals

2015-09-04 Thread Todd Goodman
* Alan McKinnon [150904 08:15]: > On 03/09/2015 21:46, Francisco Ares wrote: [..SNIP..] > > - there was a teletype > > (remember those?) > > Golf balls. Gods, those things made a racket. I think the golf balls you're referencing were the IBM selectrics? [..SNIP..] > Oh no, not punched paper ta

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [WAY OT] wanna learn networking internals

2015-09-03 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 03/09/2015 21:46, Francisco Ares wrote: > Me, too, a hardware guy, but having to learn high level stuff. Here at > the company that work for, we had a programmer a couple of years ago, > that has gone for a better opportunity. So I got his load. > > Blinking a bunch of LEDs is where I started.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [WAY OT] wanna learn networking internals

2015-09-03 Thread Francisco Ares
2015-09-03 11:31 GMT-03:00 James : > Francisco Ares gmail.com> writes: > > > > Sorry for such WAY out of topic message, but Gentoo users are also way > > out of regular computer users. > > Far out man. some psychedelic mood music, say Pink Floyd Ummagumma:: > Several Species of Small Furry An

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [WAY OT] wanna learn networking internals

2015-09-03 Thread Francisco Ares
2015-09-03 6:51 GMT-03:00 Alan McKinnon : > On 03/09/2015 03:16, James wrote: > > Alan McKinnon gmail.com> writes: > > > > > >>> Last, I suggest a parallel learning of C/C++ as it really helps > > > >> ^this^, after the basics are fully mastered. > > > >> netmasks make no sense at all until bitwi

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [WAY OT] wanna learn networking internals

2015-09-03 Thread Francisco Ares
2015-09-03 3:20 GMT-03:00 J. Roeleveld : > On Thursday, September 03, 2015 01:16:47 AM James wrote: > > Alan McKinnon gmail.com> writes: > > > > Last, I suggest a parallel learning of C/C++ as it really helps > > > > > > ^this^, after the basics are fully mastered. > > > > > > netmasks make no se

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [WAY OT] wanna learn networking internals

2015-09-03 Thread Francisco Ares
2015-09-02 18:14 GMT-03:00 Alan McKinnon : > On 02/09/2015 22:57, James wrote: > > Last, I suggest a parallel learning of C/C++ as it really helps with > > unix/linux/networking if can look at software sources and see what is > going > > on. > > ^this^, after the basics are fully mastered. > > net

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [WAY OT] wanna learn networking internals

2015-09-03 Thread Francisco Ares
Thanks, James. I already know C and a bit of C++, and that's why I want to understand deeply about networking protocols, there are some tricks that I see some device's closed source SDKs doing that I would like to reproduce. And probably - if they worth it - publish as open source, of course. Bes

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [WAY OT] wanna learn networking internals

2015-09-03 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 03/09/2015 16:31, James wrote: > PS::I bet McKinnon can build a buffered serial port sniffer out of those old > 74LSxx chips! I have a wide selection of those old 74LS chips in > tubes, just in case you get an itch you need to scratch... > The date codes have fadedall I can make out is .

[gentoo-user] Re: [WAY OT] wanna learn networking internals

2015-09-03 Thread James
Francisco Ares gmail.com> writes: > Sorry for such WAY out of topic message, but Gentoo users are also way > out of regular computer users. Far out man. some psychedelic mood music, say Pink Floyd Ummagumma:: Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave...[2] (now tha

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [WAY OT] wanna learn networking internals

2015-09-03 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 03/09/2015 03:16, James wrote: > Alan McKinnon gmail.com> writes: > > >>> Last, I suggest a parallel learning of C/C++ as it really helps > >> ^this^, after the basics are fully mastered. > >> netmasks make no sense at all until bitwise operators are fully >> understood. Even CIDR notation

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [WAY OT] wanna learn networking internals

2015-09-02 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Thursday, September 03, 2015 01:16:47 AM James wrote: > Alan McKinnon gmail.com> writes: > > > Last, I suggest a parallel learning of C/C++ as it really helps > > > > ^this^, after the basics are fully mastered. > > > > netmasks make no sense at all until bitwise operators are fully > > under

[gentoo-user] Re: [WAY OT] wanna learn networking internals

2015-09-02 Thread James
Alan McKinnon gmail.com> writes: > > Last, I suggest a parallel learning of C/C++ as it really helps > ^this^, after the basics are fully mastered. > netmasks make no sense at all until bitwise operators are fully > understood. Even CIDR notation is not really obvious until you > understand w

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [WAY OT] wanna learn networking internals

2015-09-02 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 02/09/2015 22:57, James wrote: > Last, I suggest a parallel learning of C/C++ as it really helps with > unix/linux/networking if can look at software sources and see what is going > on. ^this^, after the basics are fully mastered. netmasks make no sense at all until bitwise operators are full

[gentoo-user] Re: [WAY OT] wanna learn networking internals

2015-09-02 Thread James
Francisco Ares gmail.com> writes: > > Hi, > Sorry for such WAY out of topic message, but Gentoo users are also way out of regular computer users. > > I intend to learn more deep details about networking intrinsics, (packets, ports, negotiation, UDP, multicast, unicast, TCP, ethernet, DHCP, prot