2015-09-03 3:20 GMT-03:00 J. Roeleveld <jo...@antarean.org>: > On Thursday, September 03, 2015 01:16:47 AM James wrote: > > Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon <at> gmail.com> writes: > > > > Last, I suggest a parallel learning of C/C++ as it really helps > > > > > > ^this^, after the basics are fully mastered. > > > > > > netmasks make no sense at all until bitwise operators are fully > > > understood. Even CIDR notation is not really obvious until you > > > understand what languages like C do with the 32 bit words we call IP > > > addresses. All x10 when IPv6 comes into play > > > > Huh. I find teaching networking, including the intricacies of advanced > > protocol design, implementation and debugging, are far simpler if > > folks know at least one programming language. Bit manipulations > > are but one part of logic, sequential circuits timing and such > > of the Computer Engineer's domain. In my experience, if folks read too > > much, but do not play with some codes on actual hardware, it all > becomes a > > giant nebula. I guess I just like the practical side of these issues, to > get > > folks hooked on hardware. > > > > > > How a serial port (rs_232) works and the putting ppp over that is very > > keen for teaching networking. ymmv. You can also use a protocol analyzer > to > > see some cool things. Many codes are published and looking at how a > > microprocessor handles basic packets is very stimulating and encouraging. > > Too bad most kids now days do not get to work on embedded hardware and > build > > up an executive or state machine and send/recieve data over interfaces. > > Granted I worked in the world where assembler was > > king (embedded) and assembler folks learning C and tcp/ip were easily > amazed > > and happy to migrate from assembler to C. > > > > As Joost pointed out, I guess it really depends on the background of > > the student. Being a hardware guy, I guess my focus is tainted.... > > > > So, fair enough, but how long (exactly what are the basics) do you > > read before you go to the lab and play? Labs are always more fun > > than classrooms, lectures and stuffy old farts.............(gotcha!) ? > > > > > > cheers, > > James > > If you want to base it on programming, I would recommend the following as > well: > http://beej.us/guide/bgnet/ > > -- > Joost > > Thanks again, Joost, that also looks quite promising.
Best Regards, Francisco
