Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? -> what was wron with SysVInit?

2012-12-24 Thread G.Wolfe Woodbury
On 12/24/2012 10:56 PM, Pandu Poluan wrote: > > Even back when hard disks are a mote in the eyes of today's mammoths, > you *can* make /usr part of /, there's no stopping you. Sure, other > SysAdmins may scoff and/or question your sanity, but the choice is > yours. YOU know what's best for your pr

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: android and mtp

2012-12-24 Thread Daniel Frey
On 12/23/2012 03:22 PM, luis jure wrote: > well, it seems i have been very lucky indeed. i just emerged jmtpfs as per > mark's suggestion, and it just worked. i just created a /media/galaxy > directory, and an entry in fstab (like yours, but with jmtpfs instead of > mtpfs) and that was it. now i ca

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Dec 25, 2012 1:55 AM, "Alan McKinnon" wrote: > > On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 06:58:15 -0600 > Dale wrote: > > The truth is simply this (derived from empirical observation): > > Long ago we had established conventions about / and /usr; mostly > because the few sysadmins around agreed on some things. In

Re: [gentoo-user] Implicit udev dependancy in Gentoo? and workaround.

2012-12-24 Thread William Kenworthy
On 25/12/12 11:21, Walter Dnes wrote: > I'm asking questions here before filing a bug/reature-request, to make > sure I have my ducks in a row. I did a big update a couple of days ago. > As per the user in... http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7168984.html > I too ran into a situation where I

Re: [gentoo-user] Implicit udev dependancy in Gentoo? and workaround.

2012-12-24 Thread William Kenworthy
On 25/12/12 11:21, Walter Dnes wrote: > I'm asking questions here before filing a bug/reature-request, to make > sure I have my ducks in a row. I did a big update a couple of days ago. > As per the user in... http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7168984.html > I too ran into a situation where I

[gentoo-user] Implicit udev dependancy in Gentoo? and workaround.

2012-12-24 Thread Walter Dnes
I'm asking questions here before filing a bug/reature-request, to make sure I have my ducks in a row. I did a big update a couple of days ago. As per the user in... http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7168984.html I too ran into a situation where I couldn't open any xterms because /dev/pts was

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Dale
Bruce Hill wrote: > On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 06:29:07PM -0600, »Q« wrote: >> On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 17:04:13 -0600 >> Bruce Hill wrote: >> >>> Gentoo had mkinitrd once upon a time, but it's now in attic. >>> Somewhere, sometime, for some reason, initramfs (inital ram >>> filesystem) became vogue for t

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: > Fair enough. I don't agree that leaving Gentoo because you chose to > put all of /usr on LVM and then chose not to deal with the > implications of that over time, but it's your choice and I certainly > support choice. And I appreciate you communicating your POV. I'm also > inte

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Bruce Hill
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 04:54:08PM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 4:29 PM, »Q« wrote: > > On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 17:04:13 -0600 > > Bruce Hill wrote: > > > >> Gentoo had mkinitrd once upon a time, but it's now in attic. > >> Somewhere, sometime, for some reason, initramfs (inita

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Bruce Hill
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 06:29:07PM -0600, »Q« wrote: > On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 17:04:13 -0600 > Bruce Hill wrote: > > > Gentoo had mkinitrd once upon a time, but it's now in attic. > > Somewhere, sometime, for some reason, initramfs (inital ram > > filesystem) became vogue for the Gentoo camp, rather

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Bruce Hill
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 04:34:00PM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > > I'm also interested in Bruce's history about initrd. Sounds like if > that worked today I'd just use it to make an initrd and be done with > it. Unlike you, I guess, I don't have any political position on these > images that get used

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Dale
Mark David Dumlao wrote: > On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 1:15 AM, Bruce Hill > wrote: >> On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 11:05:25AM -0600, Dale wrote: >>> Bruce Hill wrote: >>> >>> <<< SNIP >>> No initrd... >>> YET!!! ROFL >>> >>> When eudev goes stable, then we can disregard that yet. ;-) >>> >>> Dale >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: > On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 4:29 PM, »Q« wrote: >> On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 17:04:13 -0600 >> Bruce Hill wrote: >> >>> Gentoo had mkinitrd once upon a time, but it's now in attic. >>> Somewhere, sometime, for some reason, initramfs (inital ram >>> filesystem) became vogue for the Gent

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Mark Knecht
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 4:29 PM, »Q« wrote: > On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 17:04:13 -0600 > Bruce Hill wrote: > >> Gentoo had mkinitrd once upon a time, but it's now in attic. >> Somewhere, sometime, for some reason, initramfs (inital ram >> filesystem) became vogue for the Gentoo camp, rather than initrd

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 6:31 PM, Bruce Hill wrote: > On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 05:23:13PM -0500, Michael Mol wrote: >> >> Then came the decision to move udev inside /usr, forcing the issue. >> Now, it'd been long understood that udev *itself* hadn't been broken. >> The explanation given as much as a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Mark Knecht
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Dale wrote: > One of the reasons I left Mandriva was because of the init thingy. If I > wanted one and liked having one, I would have never switched to Gentoo. > The init thingy was not the only reason but it was one of them. The > reason I do not want one is be

[gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread »Q«
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 17:04:13 -0600 Bruce Hill wrote: > Gentoo had mkinitrd once upon a time, but it's now in attic. > Somewhere, sometime, for some reason, initramfs (inital ram > filesystem) became vogue for the Gentoo camp, rather than initrd > (initial ram disk image), and mkinitrd got retired

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Dale
Bruce Hill wrote: > On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 05:23:13PM -0500, Michael Mol wrote: >> Then came the decision to move udev inside /usr, forcing the issue. >> Now, it'd been long understood that udev *itself* hadn't been broken. >> The explanation given as much as a year earlier was that udev couldn't

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Bruce Hill
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 05:23:13PM -0500, Michael Mol wrote: > > Then came the decision to move udev inside /usr, forcing the issue. > Now, it'd been long understood that udev *itself* hadn't been broken. > The explanation given as much as a year earlier was that udev couldn't > control what *othe

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Bruce Hill
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 04:36:06PM -0600, Dale wrote: > > One of the reasons I left Mandriva was because of the init thingy. If I > wanted one and liked having one, I would have never switched to Gentoo. > The init thingy was not the only reason but it was one of them. The > reason I do not wan

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread William Kenworthy
On 24/12/12 23:52, Dale wrote: > Kevin Chadwick wrote: >>> Are there any other cases, apart from emotional attachment based on >>> inertia, where a separate / and /usr are desirable? As I see it, there >>> is only the system, and it is an atomic unit. >> You should really read the thread before pos

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Bruce Hill
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 01:23:16PM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Dale wrote: > > > The problems with that is these: It worked ALL these years, why should > > it not now? I have / on a traditional partition which is not going to > > resize easily. If I put / on L

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Dale
Mark David Dumlao wrote: > On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 4:00 AM, Dale wrote: >> If I put / on LVM, I need a init thingy. > No you don't. You could use a boot partition. Or grub2. > >> So, worked for ages, then it breaks when people change where they put >> things. Answer is, don't change where you put

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: > On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Dale wrote: > >> The problems with that is these: It worked ALL these years, why should >> it not now? I have / on a traditional partition which is not going to >> resize easily. If I put / on LVM, I need a init thingy. I don't want a >>

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: > On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 4:00 AM, Dale wrote: >> If I put / on LVM, I need a init thingy. > No you don't. You could use a boot partition. Or grub2. I don't remember reading /boot as a suggested solution. Frankly, that's an interesting id

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Daniel Wagener
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 14:00:39 -0600 Dale wrote: > Alan McKinnon wrote: > > On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 06:58:15 -0600 > > Dale wrote: > > > >> So, Nuno, everything was fine until they started moving things to a > >> place where it shouldn't be. > > No Dale, that is just flat out wrong. > > > > There is

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 4:00 AM, Dale wrote: > If I put / on LVM, I need a init thingy. No you don't. You could use a boot partition. Or grub2. > So, worked for ages, then it breaks when people change where they put > things. Answer is, don't change where you put things. Then things > still wor

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Mark Knecht
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Dale wrote: > The problems with that is these: It worked ALL these years, why should > it not now? I have / on a traditional partition which is not going to > resize easily. If I put / on LVM, I need a init thingy. I don't want a > init thingy Is that really

Re: [gentoo-user] problem with lilo and one of my kernels

2012-12-24 Thread Walter Dnes
On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 09:27:13PM -0500, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote > Walter Dnes wrote: > > > On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 05:40:05AM -0500, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote > > > Hi. Today on one of my test kernels where I am using git bisect to find > > > a bug, I got the following when running lilo:

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Dale wrote: > Alan McKinnon wrote: [snip] > The problems with that is these: It worked ALL these years, why should > it not now? I have / on a traditional partition which is not going to > resize easily. If I put / on LVM, I need a init thingy. I don't want a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 06:58:15 -0600 > Dale wrote: > >> So, Nuno, everything was fine until they started moving things to a >> place where it shouldn't be. > No Dale, that is just flat out wrong. > > There is no such thing as "place where stuff should be". There are only > co

RE: [gentoo-user] Re: Ram Problem!

2012-12-24 Thread Teodor Spæren
> You may want to consider a swap file: > > http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-add-a-swap-file-howto/ I have already done this. I had some problems trying to compile gcc, so I learned it then. > NB: I don't know how well it's going to help with Gentoo. It's been close to a > decade, if not long

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 1:15 AM, Bruce Hill wrote: > On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 11:05:25AM -0600, Dale wrote: >> Bruce Hill wrote: >> >> <<< SNIP >>> >> > No initrd... >> >> YET!!! ROFL >> >> When eudev goes stable, then we can disregard that yet. ;-) >> >> Dale > > devfs still works wonderfully ..

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 06:58:15 -0600 Dale wrote: > So, Nuno, everything was fine until they started moving things to a > place where it shouldn't be. No Dale, that is just flat out wrong. There is no such thing as "place where stuff should be". There are only conventions, and like all convention

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: android and mtp

2012-12-24 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2012-12-24, Nilesh Govindrajan wrote: >> On Monday 24 December 2012 09:24:16 AM IST, Grant Edwards wrote: >>> I'm glad they chose MTP: I want my phone to continue to work while I'm >>> transferring files. In order to mount the filesystem

Re: [gentoo-user] 3.7.1 SATA errors

2012-12-24 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: > On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 6:35 AM, Bruce Hill > wrote: >> On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 11:23:35AM -0800, fe...@crowfix.com wrote: >> >> >> Puhleeeze don't put such long stuff in an email. Have you heard of >> attachments? >> pastebins? >> > > Felix

Re: [gentoo-user] 3.7.1 SATA errors

2012-12-24 Thread Mark Knecht
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 6:35 AM, Bruce Hill wrote: > On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 11:23:35AM -0800, fe...@crowfix.com wrote: > > > Puhleeeze don't put such long stuff in an email. Have you heard of > attachments? > pastebins? > Felix, Personally, after years reading LKML, I have no problem with i

[gentoo-user] Re: android and mtp

2012-12-24 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2012-12-24, Nilesh Govindrajan wrote: > On Monday 24 December 2012 09:24:16 AM IST, Grant Edwards wrote: >> On 2012-12-23, luis jure wrote: >>> on 2012-12-22 at 17:13 Alan McKinnon wrote: >>> Now, imagine you are the guy at Samsung deciding what features the S2 will support. Which op

[gentoo-user] Looks like a nasty bug in portage .38

2012-12-24 Thread Nilesh Govindrajan
I'm on ~amd64. Updated portage in the morning. But it seems the .38 version has a nasty bug. It freezes the system every single time I try to compile a cross tool chain. I tried with various options, like reducing make jobs, etc, but didn't help. Back to .31 and things seem to be moving better.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: 3.7.1 SATA errors

2012-12-24 Thread felix
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 10:53:34AM -0600, Bruce Hill wrote: > This time it has 4 attachments; afaik there were zero attachments the first > time (deleted email here so can't check now). No worries, files here now. Yes, I originally sent no attachments, since I thought the mailing list stripped t

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Bruce Hill
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 11:05:25AM -0600, Dale wrote: > Bruce Hill wrote: > > <<< SNIP >>> > > No initrd... > > YET!!! ROFL > > When eudev goes stable, then we can disregard that yet. ;-) > > Dale devfs still works wonderfully ... for principle, if no other reason, that file server will *N

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Dale
Bruce Hill wrote: <<< SNIP >>> > No initrd... YET!!! ROFL When eudev goes stable, then we can disregard that yet. ;-) Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Dale
Michael Mol wrote: > Lay off the eggnog, Dale. Too early yet. :P -- :wq For me it is NyQuil. I'm still battling the flu. I'm kicking butt but getting mine kicked at the same time. Other than NyQuil, no alcohol here. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Dec 24, 2012 11:46 PM, "Bruce Hill" wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 05:06:41PM +0200, Nuno J. Silva wrote: > > > > Now, also, from my understanding, this was already the case for some > > time (maybe even years?). And that's why I've asked for more details. > > > > So, if the udev you use is

Re: [gentoo-user] 3.7.1 SATA errors

2012-12-24 Thread felix
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 07:41:10AM -0800, fe...@crowfix.com wrote: > > I was under the impression that gentoo strips attachments. At any > rate, I summarized as much as possible and only put the the full logs > at the end. Looks like the attachments got thru. I will try to remember that. --

Re: [gentoo-user] 3.7.1 SATA errors

2012-12-24 Thread felix
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 10:07:04AM -0600, Bruce Hill wrote: > emerge -av app-text/wgetpaste && wgetpaste /path/to/3.6/.config > /path/to/3.7/.config 3.6.10 .config -- http://bpaste.net/show/66307/ 3.7.1 .config -- http://bpaste.net/show/66309/ > Also can you "dmesg | wgetpaste" and note the "un

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: 3.7.1 SATA errors

2012-12-24 Thread Bruce Hill
This time it has 4 attachments; afaik there were zero attachments the first time (deleted email here so can't check now). No worries, files here now. Do you have a /var/log/messages (might be in rotated, gzipped one even) that includes the 3.6.10 *and* 3.7.1 boot? -- Happy Penguin Computers

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Bruce Hill
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 12:25:02AM +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote: > On Dec 24, 2012 10:00 PM, "Dale" wrote: > > I have not > > tested the theory but that is what people have been saying. Not only is > > my /usr separate but it is on LVM partitons too. > > If I recall correctly, easy repartition

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Dale wrote: > Dale wrote: >> Michael Mol wrote: >>> "you wouldn't have this problem if you did *something else*" is a >>> terrible response. There are very good reasons to use LVM. There are >>> good (IMO, at least) reasons to avoid using an initr* on Gentoo. >>>

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Bruce Hill
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 05:06:41PM +0200, Nuno J. Silva wrote: > > Now, also, from my understanding, this was already the case for some > time (maybe even years?). And that's why I've asked for more details. > > So, if the udev you use is OK with no initrd, what is in the new udev > that actually

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Dec 24, 2012 10:00 PM, "Dale" wrote: > I have not > tested the theory but that is what people have been saying. Not only is > my /usr separate but it is on LVM partitons too. If I recall correctly, easy repartitioning was supposed to be one of the main reasons wy LVM was made in the first pl

Re: [gentoo-user] 3.7.1 SATA errors

2012-12-24 Thread felix
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 10:07:04AM -0600, Bruce Hill wrote: > Would you consider our own pastebin from portage? Sure, in progress. I'll have to read up on this pastebin stuff. -- ... _._. ._ ._. . _._. ._. ___ .__ ._. . .__. ._ .. ._. Felix Finch: scarecrow repairman & rocket

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Ram Problem!

2012-12-24 Thread Bruce Hill
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 04:52:27PM +0100, Teodor Spæren wrote: > > That is my concern. If I get it working with a vanilla kernel, and then > booting into the system, > emerge do not work, it was all wasted. You may want to consider a swap file: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-add-a-swap-file

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Dale
Dale wrote: > Michael Mol wrote: >> "you wouldn't have this problem if you did *something else*" is a >> terrible response. There are very good reasons to use LVM. There are >> good (IMO, at least) reasons to avoid using an initr* on Gentoo. >> (Those reasons are sprinkled through the thread, some

Re: [gentoo-user] Ram Problem!

2012-12-24 Thread Bruce Hill
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 04:05:44PM +0100, Teodor Spæren wrote: > > The possible work around I have thought of is just getting the vanilla kernel > from kernel.org, but the gentoo wiki advise against it, since gentoo-sources > is a patched kernel. With all due respect, Gentoo is the only distro

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Dale
Michael Mol wrote: > "you wouldn't have this problem if you did *something else*" is a > terrible response. There are very good reasons to use LVM. There are > good (IMO, at least) reasons to avoid using an initr* on Gentoo. > (Those reasons are sprinkled through the thread, some spoken by me, > so

Re: [gentoo-user] 3.7.1 SATA errors

2012-12-24 Thread Bruce Hill
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 07:41:10AM -0800, fe...@crowfix.com wrote: > > I was under the impression that gentoo strips attachments. At any > rate, I summarized as much as possible and only put the the full logs > at the end. > > As for the cookies, so many sites require cookies and/or > javascrip

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Nuno J. Silva wrote: > On 2012-12-24, Michael Mol wrote: > >> On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Nuno J. Silva >> wrote: >>> On 2012-12-24, Dale wrote: >>> > [...] From my understanding, if I upgrade my system to the later version of udev and bypass the

Re: [gentoo-user] 3.7.1 SATA errors

2012-12-24 Thread Dale
fe...@crowfix.com wrote: > On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 08:35:20AM -0600, Bruce Hill wrote: > >> Puhleeeze don't put such long stuff in an email. Have you heard of >> attachments? >> pastebins? > I was under the impression that gentoo strips attachments. At any > rate, I summarized as much as possible

[gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Nuno J. Silva
On 2012-12-24, Michael Mol wrote: > On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Nuno J. Silva wrote: >> On 2012-12-24, Dale wrote: >> [...] >>> From my understanding, if I upgrade my system to the later version of >>> udev and bypass the init system, my system will not boot. I have not >>> tested the theo

RE: [gentoo-user] Re: Ram Problem!

2012-12-24 Thread Teodor Spæren
> From: nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt > Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: Ram Problem! > Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 17:32:54 +0200 > No surprise here, from what I can see, what's happening is that *emerge* > is running out of memory, it's not a compilation, so -pipe or MAKEOPTS > won't make any difference here. Are

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Dale
Kevin Chadwick wrote: >> Are there any other cases, apart from emotional attachment based on >> inertia, where a separate / and /usr are desirable? As I see it, there >> is only the system, and it is an atomic unit. > You should really read the thread before posting. > I suspect that Alan has. Al

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Dale
Nuno J. Silva wrote: > On 2012-12-24, Dale wrote: > >> Nuno J. Silva wrote: >>> On 2012-12-24, Dale wrote: >>> Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 19:03:25 +0200 > nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt (Nuno J. Silva) wrote: > >> On 2012-12-23, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> >>> On Sun

Re: [gentoo-user] 3.7.1 SATA errors

2012-12-24 Thread felix
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 08:35:20AM -0600, Bruce Hill wrote: > Puhleeeze don't put such long stuff in an email. Have you heard of > attachments? > pastebins? I was under the impression that gentoo strips attachments. At any rate, I summarized as much as possible and only put the the full logs at

RE: [gentoo-user] Ram Problem!

2012-12-24 Thread Teodor Spæren
Ohh! Thanks a lot :) Still it would have been useful to know what was causing it to go out of memory.

[gentoo-user] Re: Ram Problem!

2012-12-24 Thread Nuno J. Silva
On 2012-12-24, Teodor Spæren wrote: > Hello! > > I am trying to install gentoo on an old armada m700. The specs that I > think is relevant for this problem is the clocking speed of the cpu > and the ram. It got 223mhz of clocking speed and 116mb ram. I have > added 512mb of swap since I knew the r

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Nuno J. Silva wrote: > On 2012-12-24, Dale wrote: > [snip] >> Well, so far I have stuck with the udev that works without a init >> thingy. I do have a init thingy for when the udev that requires it is >> marked stable. The devs are keeping the udev that requir

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> > You are only considering the case of /usr being on a plain hard disk > > partition, what if it in on an LVM volume, or encrypted (or both) > > of mounted over the network? All of these require something to be > > run before they can be mounted, and if that cannot be run until udev > > has start

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> Are there any other cases, apart from emotional attachment based on > inertia, where a separate / and /usr are desirable? As I see it, there > is only the system, and it is an atomic unit. You should really read the thread before posting. --

Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> It was in fact a weirdo corner case > since day 1. Right, a weirdo corner case that is part of best practice and the default suggestion on debian stable used on many many servers and for good reason. -- ___ 'Write programs th

Re: [gentoo-user] Ram Problem!

2012-12-24 Thread Jason Weisberger
There is absolutely no reason why you can't use the vanilla kernel. Go right ahead. On Dec 24, 2012 10:08 AM, "Teodor Spæren" wrote: > Hello! > > I am trying to install gentoo on an old armada m700. The specs that I > think is relevant for this problem is the clocking speed of the cpu and the >

[gentoo-user] Ram Problem!

2012-12-24 Thread Teodor Spæren
Hello! I am trying to install gentoo on an old armada m700. The specs that I think is relevant for this problem is the clocking speed of the cpu and the ram. It got 223mhz of clocking speed and 116mb ram. I have added 512mb of swap since I knew the ram was going to be a problem. The command I

[gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Nuno J. Silva
On 2012-12-24, Dale wrote: > Nuno J. Silva wrote: >> On 2012-12-24, Dale wrote: >> >>> Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 19:03:25 +0200 nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt (Nuno J. Silva) wrote: > On 2012-12-23, Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 12:22:24 +0200 >

Re: [gentoo-user] 3.7.1 SATA errors

2012-12-24 Thread Bruce Hill
On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 11:23:35AM -0800, fe...@crowfix.com wrote: Puhleeeze don't put such long stuff in an email. Have you heard of attachments? pastebins? Your dropbox postings lost me after reading: Please enable browser-cookies to use the Dropbox website. -- Happy Penguin Computers

[gentoo-user] Re: Questions about optimal mplayer settings

2012-12-24 Thread Bruce Hill
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 03:38:15PM +0100, Florian Philipp wrote: > Am 19.12.2012 00:20, schrieb Walter Dnes: > > 1) In the past couple of days I finally figured out what I was doing > > wrong with hardware acceleration (causing lack thereof) with an onboard > > Intel GPU in my HTPC machine. I've a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Dale
Nuno J. Silva wrote: > On 2012-12-24, Dale wrote: > >> Alan McKinnon wrote: >>> On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 19:03:25 +0200 >>> nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt (Nuno J. Silva) wrote: >>> On 2012-12-23, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 12:22:24 +0200 > nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt (Nuno J. Silva)

[gentoo-user] Re: ALSA mixer as a capture device with Intel HDA cards

2012-12-24 Thread Nuno J. Silva
On 2012-12-23, »Q« wrote: > On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 01:59:50 +0200 > nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt (Nuno J. Silva) wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> Today, I got a bit curious, and wanted to get some sound from a >> computer which does not have any speakers at the moment. Mostly for >> fun, I thought about using arec

[gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Nuno J. Silva
On 2012-12-24, Dale wrote: > Alan McKinnon wrote: >> On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 19:03:25 +0200 >> nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt (Nuno J. Silva) wrote: >> >>> On 2012-12-23, Alan McKinnon wrote: >>> On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 12:22:24 +0200 nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt (Nuno J. Silva) wrote: [...] > What about ju

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 19:03:25 +0200 > nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt (Nuno J. Silva) wrote: > >> On 2012-12-23, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> >>> On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 12:22:24 +0200 >>> nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt (Nuno J. Silva) wrote: >>> On 2012-12-18, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Tue

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Questions about optimal mplayer settings

2012-12-24 Thread Dale
Nuno J. Silva wrote: > On 2012-12-19, Dale wrote: > >> Bruce Hill wrote: >>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 07:05:14PM -0600, Dale wrote: > [...] Here is two links if you want to try my weird way of doing this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XITHbsUUlYI http://www.youtube.com/watc

[gentoo-user] Re: Questions about optimal mplayer settings

2012-12-24 Thread Nuno J. Silva
On 2012-12-19, Florian Philipp wrote: > Am 19.12.2012 00:20, schrieb Walter Dnes: >> 1) In the past couple of days I finally figured out what I was doing >> wrong with hardware acceleration (causing lack thereof) with an onboard >> Intel GPU in my HTPC machine. I've applied the same fix to my des

[gentoo-user] Re: Questions about optimal mplayer settings

2012-12-24 Thread Nuno J. Silva
On 2012-12-19, Dale wrote: > Bruce Hill wrote: >> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 07:05:14PM -0600, Dale wrote: [...] >>> Here is two links if you want to try my weird way of doing this: >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XITHbsUUlYI >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2Innx3puNI >>> >>> I use dow

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 16:06:27 +0800 Mark David Dumlao wrote: > On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Walter Dnes > wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 08:39:41PM +, Neil Bothwick wrote > > > >> You are only considering the case of /usr being on a plain hard > >> disk partition, what if it in on an

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 08:39:41PM +, Neil Bothwick wrote > >> You are only considering the case of /usr being on a plain hard disk >> partition, what if it in on an LVM volume, or encrypted (or both) >> of mounted over the network? All of