ght-text-on-dark-background browsing preferences without
killing color entirely, to reasonably good effect by now as I've
been making incremental filter improvements for several years,
so it's certainly possible to do such things. It's likely just a
matter of finding the person who has
t;make" in subdirs liblzmadec and lzmadec.
What about USE=decode-only or something similar for lzma-utils, then? If
desired, it could even be masked on "normal" profiles, but would then be
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I at least understand why... Thus my frustration at not being able to
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ cci "Rename log to correct name (.txt instead of .log).
> Reported by Duncan."
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these packages have been stable for a period and as the by then legacy
versions fade out, positive based USE defaults will ultimately replace
most or all of the current no* flags.
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s that I posted earlier in the thread.
Thanks. That explanation (mostly snipped for brevity) was a great "plain
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he actual power and damage potential, since
they can't vote on their nominees, only devs do. As with any nominee, if
the devs don't like them, they simply vote for someone else. No harm
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So the "or what" matters, as does the scope, which is why I'm asking
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> On Fri, 2008-06-06 at 09:28 +0000, Duncan wrote:
>> Ferris McCormick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
>> > I'd also add two new requirements:
&g
hin the major support, to support
the correct minor, as the case may be.
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trouble, but really, the precedent was already set when we accepted
metadata in filename with the .ebuild thing in the first place, so
there's little reason to fight it now, unless the proposal also
elimin
Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED],
excerpted below, on Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:52:24 +:
> Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted
> [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Tue, 10 Jun
> 2008 15:00:18 +0100:
>
>> On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:49:04 -0
east.
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/x86/arch-testers-faq.xml
Other than that, I'd suggest you contact the dev(s) for your arch
directly. The one listed for Sh is Mike Sterrett, aka mr_bones_ . You
can of course make yourself immediately useful by contributing bugs and
patches, e
pony the other
side expects them to be? It simply cannot go on that way forever.
Something's going to give, now, or later, when there's ultimately no more
Gentoo to pull apart and therefore no more Gentoo PMs or PMS to continue
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Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED],
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> Umm... pardon me for speaking my mind a bit here, and nothing personal,
> particularly since I have the utmost respect for the talent and skills
> of the people involved, b
omehow some way, or people move on to
more stable solutions. If not, perhaps those test cases weren't so vital
after all, and fixing the handful of bugs as they appeared ultimately
worked just as well as doing all those extra corner-case tests.
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ad and discussions on it are stale, so best to let
it die. I'd have not replied here except after my earlier negative
posts, I felt the need to provide some balance, and take the opportunity
to point out that here, the Paludis devs are right, both practically
(breaking new installs) and theo
this but now I can't
> find the code. I might have seen it in an overlay or on the forums.
Isn't it subversion itself that does this, based on local and remote
repository revision numbers?
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einforce why I'd prefer /real/
blanks between messages, not ones with colored stars that may or may not
make it look like the entire group of messages are just one single long
message, depending on whether they're all the same color or not.
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e don't, and we lose all the benefits, for now and perhaps
forever, but also lose the poison. Honestly, I'm glad I'm not one of
those having to make that decision.
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are you suggesting the guideline
should be lowered to four or even three?
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written values itself. Either a read-only
variable works fine, or a rewritable value then ignored by the PM
wouldn't work either.
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well. If it were me, I'd use that as a
base and go from there utilizing the idea I suggested above.
http://catmur.co.uk/gentoo/
Additionally, you don't mention whether you checked with them already or
not, but releng and subprojects may have some suggestions in this area.
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at good would
a metadata tag do if it's not info exposed to the users? Practically,
that's just more confusing.
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before filing next time.
As you said, everyone wins!
(As I posted earlier, I really don't mind a 3-day or 1 week hold-off,
either. If devs want it... . But I really don't see the big deal
either way, and this way does have the advantages listed above.)
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="2008.0"
or alternatively
I_KNOW_WHAT_I_AM_DOING_2008_0="yes"
Or even the arch/version, so in the case above
I_KNOW_WHAT_I_AM_DOING_amd64_2008_0="yes"
or
I_KNOW_WHAT_I_AM_DOING="amd64/2008.0"
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cking
anything even close to as workable right now, that alone is IMO reason
enough to work to get LDFLAGS honored. I appreciate the difference it
made here every time I run revdep-rebuild!
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ll distfiles are tarballs, but it gets the message across
> far better than "constant-sources" IMO :o)
+1
The simplicity of "live" with the negative connotation of restrict, seems
to kill both those issues with a single stone. =8^)
RESTRICT=tarballs works for me!
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Personally, if it comes down to the "It's a list of flags, called
'RESTRICT' only due to historical reasons" argument, so be it.
(Said as a user who contributed one live ebuild now in t
at least have an idea of the size of the job ahead, without them
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of improving things. Meh. I
>> demand mandatory fun hours twice a week! And a coffee machine. And a
>> pony. Yes! A pony!
>>
>>
> Being bitten by the Pony is not fun. Please keep your ponies away from
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Ooo, and being bit by the pony (or for that matter, anything)
some time, I'm just a user. We'll see what the devs have to say.
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ability, that's definitely preferred, and if it's
already in-tree, the only blocker is then finding someone to be that
named proxy-maintainer.
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into /dev/null and system and world continue to be separate as they're
supposed to be! Now it can write @system into world_sets all day, and it
won't change anything.
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Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED],
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> Current workaround: Since I don't have anything else I need to list in
> world_sets I simply symlinked it to /dev/null, so portage writes @system
> into /dev/null
Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED],
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> Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED],
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>> Current workaround: Since I don't have
one reminded me that this isn't a portage support forum, too.
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work. Someone (or ones,
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we've stopped distributing historic LiveCDs and etc for which
this was not done, so at least the 3-year clock is ticking, even if we
can't easily go back and get the required sources should anyone call us
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(I investigated since I had the package in my updates today and after
seeing the comment here, wanted to ensure it wasn't potentially
destabilizing typo.)
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n if it's a meta-package rather than having the
meaning of the old-style virtual, that of selecting one of many
providers. So the only problem with virtual is the narrower old
meaning. Whether that's a big enough problem to worry about is of course
debatable, but I don't per
Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted
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2008 14:20:44 +0100:
> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:39:38 +0000 (UTC) Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> But I think virtual works just fine for kde-base/kde, too, if one
>
Zac Medico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED],
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> Duncan wrote:
>> I therefore believe I like just moving them all to a *virtual*/
>> category better, thus obviating the need for that particular property
in
the build is the license, then as someone else suggested, I believe a
straight to stable policy should apply. If it does, then there won't be
any breakage since the new revision will be stabilized in in place of and
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I do) about virtual and need to see it,
But I think less technical user (even "luser" in some cases) is how he
tends to use the word. The are certainly there, but that has never
really been Gentoo's focus, and we don't expect users to need their hands
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bugs for previous versions and seeing what the comments on testing were
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> other place. FEATURES=test is the thing that can be modified for this.
Thanks for setting me straight on that. =:^)
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I realized it may be optional, but that doesn't help much if all the
simple ebuilds he finds to crib from end up using the pre-knowledge
required vars, leaving him nothing simple to crib from without that
knowledge. The accessibility level will have been reduced if this
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e one of the primary distinctions of Gentoo
that holds me here; one of the biggest reasons it seems to "just fit" so
much better than most other distributions, despite the (comparatively
minor) hassles of continually updating from source.
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elieve I said earlier in the thread, I'm quite aware I'm
not the one implementing it, so whatever you go with I'll happily use,
regardless of whether it's what I would have thought best, or not.
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slightly easier.
As for the dev perspective, based on my ebuild hacking to date, I can see
a significant benefit for the two spits there as well. That the new
phases match natural steps in most upstream package build processes where
Gentoo formerly merged steps makes it that much simpler to trace
tch if the below is to work.
Or did you mean change the sys-devel/patch ebuild so the executable is
named gpatch instead of patch, then create a symlink patch -> gpatch as
suggested above.
> 2) Change references to patch in eclass/eutils.eclass to gpatch
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actious debates it
causes, particularly when the conclusion is predetermined based on past
iterations. We've lost very good developers on this issue in the past.
Let's not make it any more, OK?
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s regardless of how it's
implemented. I just know if I ever decide to take that step to Gentoo
devhood, or even just for my own ebuilds, it's sure be nice to not even
have to worry about whether there's spaces or weird chars in the name,
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> we both smiled at each other
I missed that. Thanks. "Over and out."
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we're going to rue the day... Never-the-less, it's not my decision.
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irritating one, but fortunately it doesn't happen so often any more.
Thanks guys!)
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K_BUT_I_AM_TESTING_AND_KNOW_WHAT_I_AM_DOING.
Or make the profile.bashrc test for both the var and a more specific
value, perhaps like this:
I_KNOW_WHAT_I_AM_DOING="and I know it can break but I am testing"
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raging anyone who comes across a homepage for such a package to bug
it.
The modification bit would be to make it a new page on an existing
subdomain. Something like this: http://www.gentoo.org/no-homepage.xml
It could be made per-project or the like, too, but that makes it more
difficult to auto-dete
e same as saying it's the overall best solution at this time. I have
no opinion on that, particularly as I /personally/ prefer ~arch in any
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I'd interpret them since I've seen that abbreviation
made before, particularly since there's already amd64 in context.
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t need to specify "normal" dependencies on
system packages. At least, that's how I've read the discussion I've seen
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but the other archs do.
But mentioning that it can never be stabilized (and referring to a policy
URL for why) in the package description would still be good, as would
mention of the fact that yes, it does require user application of patches
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rce Flash Server written in Java...".
It would have been nice to have that in the announcement post...
<\prod>
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always good for a
round... and if it comes to it beyond that, g3, g4, etc. Of course,
that's sort of like Gentoo's -rX numbers for ebuilds, but the -rX concept
doesn't so well lend itself to the eclass concept as it implies a rather
faster turnover than we'd /hope/ to be
rces for parallel jobs in the first place.
If you like, mail me offlist and we can continue the discussion, as it
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documentation, so
there's likely to already be someone already working on it. I only "do"
English and don't know the status of the Russian translation, so I'm not
going to go farther than that, but it's a start.
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/ru/
Thanks for asking. I'
f his actions reveal a
SERIOUS priority in the area, than he's already covered by definition.
That's all I was saying.
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t; possible examples of the meaning of "stability".
In that case, I misread, as I interpreted the triple as emphasis, not
alternatives. If it was intended as alternatives, then yes, it makes
sense.
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nds like a useful idea. They make it the default view. I think
I'd prefer a more normal HEAD view, but with a notation at the top
similar to:
"This wiki page as it appeared on was
validated. Show me the validated version."
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> because it isn't know what will be using that shared library
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René 'Necoro' Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED],
excerpted below, on Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:23:32 +0100:
> Duncan schrieb:
>> Tiziano Müller posted:
>>
>>> Now, since the sunrise project gets bigger, we might also create a
>>> m
Nikos Chantziaras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED],
excerpted below, on Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:37:45 +0200:
> Donnie Berkholz wrote:
>> On 16:03 Mon 24 Nov , Homer Parker wrote:
>>> On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 11:45 +, Duncan wrote:
>>>> That in f
and use depends.
In that case, it may be better to do the limited code duplication, given
the relative permanence of eclasses. They gotta stick around long after
any ebuilds using them are gone, altho with newer portage (and I'd hope
other PMs as well) that isn't /quite/ the proble
ly reject the GLEP, if it gets even that far.)
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and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman
've
gone to all the work of providing both the means and the documentation on
configuring, right there in the official handbook even, with links and
references to the handbook quite well distributed already, well, maybe
that user really /should/ be looking at a different distribution.
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it master branch, after filing and git bisecting several bugs,
so I'm progressing...
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if they judge it will ultimately make for a more stable ebuild
headed into stable.
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ey group together all the
messages from the collected sub-packages.
Then when we (as users) think about a big upgrade, we can go and research
just what sort of thing the package maintainers already anticipate, and
can thus better prepare ourselves.
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can be useful. With
use.desc and especially the local version thereof going deprecated, and
with additional info about global flags sometimes in the metadata...
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"Douglas Anderson" posted
efeb8d230812151628v149d50c9h7483229511e51...@mail.gmail.com, excerpted
below, on Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:28:30 +0900:
> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Daniel Pielmeier
> wrote:
>>> Duncan schrieb am 16.12.2008 00:47:
>>> While I&#x
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