hat's what the
original claimed, that /would/ be copyright Ciaran. However, a rewrite
should take care of it, so as I said, good, if you're planning on
reassigning. I'd still consider putting in a "based on ..." crediting
him, as only polite, but I don't know
ing "in the red" on our candidates.
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> externally hosted code).
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Gentoo's surely the better for it! =8^)
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>From here, therefore, a hard system dependency on nano doesn't look so
bad, particularly since Gentoo already provides reasonable, easy and
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ady support for another mp3 codec (ffmpeg). So,
> lame adds support for lame, not for mp3, which is also provided.
In that case, shouldn't the description mention that? Something like:
MP3 encoding support using LAME (as opposed to ffmpeg)
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r to help with all the updates, since it's my
itch I want scratched. Maybe it'll happen someday. In the mean time...
maybe I can spread the itch. =8^)
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dmit... I didn't quite understand the practical effect of that N-
way USE flag thing until now, maybe 'cause I was rather sleep deprived
when I was trying to make sense of it, but this example even *I* can
understand! =8^)
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Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted
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12 Oct 2007 17:22:54 -0700:
> Steve Long wrote:
>> Duncan wrote:
>> > Steve Dibb posted:
>> >
>> >> there is more than one mp3 encoder.
>> >
>>
7;t
have to deal with the step if it's unnecessary for them, while the fbsd
users still get it when they need it. Seems to me this should be a
workable compromise, where people might otherwise be inclined to remove
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wired for all the usual reasons,
so don't even pretend to know anything about wireless, nor to offer any
sort of solution. Perhaps even if the standard networking is setup with
named vars, the wireless example you gave would be better left as
"arrays" of whatever form?
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work, so it's very easy for me to sit here and
get all fancy about how it "should" be done. =8^) IOW, it's very much
your call. You just asked for opinions and I'm happily giving mine. =8^)
Of course, as I'm already on baselayout2, I'll be bug testing whateve
modplug, then "modplug" it should remain, and the
description should mention that. (See the recent discussion over
USE=lame, vs. simply mp3, also a USE flag.)
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log entry was
supposed to be before I upgraded the package. I eventually dug it out of
viewcvs, but meanwhile, I was missing the packages.gentoo notes.
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viewing. I'd certainly not call 10 pt extremely small -- that's 6-7
pt! =8^)
And yes, as I said, I have the issue with the logo overrunning the text
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the above?
It's kinda hard to discuss such a proposal without knowing where it is
going to be applied, or to read such discussion without being sure
everybody has the same target in mind (maybe it was discussed on IRC and
since I don't normally do that I missed it... seems I'm
is would be one way to do it.
OTOH, it's also getting very specific about perhaps sensitive events,
while Ciaran's proposal would avoid singling out such events and
therefore people by name, thus having the advantage there as well as in
ultimate wholeness, once it's done.
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as well if
you believe they'll help clarify the effect you intend this policy to
have.
(BTW, I'm mailing you directly related to this as well.)
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Steve Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED],
excerpted below, on Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:42:03 +0000:
> Duncan wrote:
>> It's kinda hard to discuss such a proposal without knowing where it is
>> going to be applied
> I took it to mean anything which changes
gt; #182253 and #181897.
Good examples. Thanks. =8^)
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t; Where are you quoting "Edutainment" from? I can't find it anywhere on
> that page.
FWICT, he's referencing the results (the URL of which you snipped but I
reincluded, above), which use Edutainment as a category in a couple
places. It seems most agree that's ridi
e are existing solutions for that angle, so it's out
of scope for this GLEP.
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bash side, not the
python side, so it won't always work as intended for stuff like features.
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having to recompile it several times
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t explicit blockers, etc) be handled entirely
automatically. Policy two has stricter requirements for developers,
however, and would thus be easier to break.
OK, so it's off the wall, but tell me, is it useful and implementable, or
just stupid?
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'app-shells/bash-3.2_p17-r1.ebuild-prefix 1 2 foo zork bar baz fa querty
3 8 4' (and that example uses no odd chars beyond the EAPI component
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Piotr Jaroszyński <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted
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21:11:20 +0100:
> On Tuesday 18 of December 2007 20:45:44 Duncan wrote:
>> How about when we have a dozen or so EAPIs active, several of which
>> apply to a specific ebuil
enacity to follow thru as you
do... every comment gets a reply... that deserves and gets a lot of
respect, in my book. Thanks /for/ that follow-thru.)
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Ciaran's
EAPI definition. I've seen no such direct disagreement so far, with the
presumed exception of the person mentioning already combining two
(without creating a third out of them) in prefix, of course.
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and doesn't have to worry about parsing the contents of the file itself
at all, period. That's safer than having to parse it at least minimally,
to find out at least the EAPI, before deciding whether it can go
further. Thus, regardless of the function thing, I support EAPI in the
fi
in tree, how does it affect Gentoo, and if it doesn't affect
Gentoo, how is it on topic here?
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ture incompatible changes
would therefore be to change the extension to something other
than .ebuild*.
This should eliminate an entire class of objections (and simple
confusion), including my main previous one, due to the present less than
clear specification and the confusion it caused.
(/NOW/ I see...! =8^)
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; a bad idea.
>
> But you do recall people saying how it needed extending to be useful.
> Yes, it would have breezed through as a GLEP, but it would have had a
> half dozen small additions that would have made it a lot more useful.
++, as I think pretty much everybody agrees at this po
as it happens, disagreeing with
Ciaran, on the users thing, but again, we had kept it civil. Here, you
aren't, and it doesn't belong on the list, and regardless of whether you
just agreed with me or not, you need called on it, and I don't see any
other posts doing it yet, so...)
what it was in
reply to. If it were me the elementary school reply was made to, I'd
have felt it within my rights to ask for an apology. I therefore
considered the ietf remark a rather clever reply to the innuendo, making
the point delicately, while avoiding the loss of face challenge askin
Piotr Jaroszyński <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted
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15:50:43 +0100:
> On Saturday 22 of December 2007 12:03:33 Duncan wrote:
>> If it were me the elementary school reply was made to, I'd
>> have felt it within my rights
ising objections to the idea that didn't apply, once I understood more
clearly what, specifically, was being proposed.
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QA tools may warn if the post-source EAPI is set at all, thus helping with
the transition to the new format.
As I had read the first version, that leapt out at me. Did you just miss
it or do you still believe it needs clarified further?
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&qu
ssible to
start removing old/stale eclasses, keeping in mind that even after they
are removed, if someone /really/ needs them, they can still fetch them
out of the source control system attic.
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Steve Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted
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+:
> I don't accept that I took it to that level, but I apologise
> unreservedly for responding to it.
Thanks. Now to leave it behind.
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as in the last council meeting log so those interested
knew what to look for, at least). The PMS discussion was last, the only
thing in Open Floor, which started at logged time 21:51 on line 311:
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/meeting-logs/20071213.txt
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Roy Marples <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted
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Dec 2007 23:00:44 +:
> On Mon, 2007-12-24 at 21:39 +0000, Duncan wrote:
>> Apparently, at present, pretty much the only one with access is the one
>> who actually did the port, and
, correct?
I ask because based on the kde overlay documentation, I have a lot of
entries like this in /etc/portage/package.keywords:
# kde4 overlay kde-base
kde-base/kdelibs:kde-svn**
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;s going to be the case with
the current proposal anyway, simply because of the amount of resistance
to it and the delay in approval that's likely to mean, even if it /is/
ultimately approved.
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virtuals file in the same dir, as well. If you
don't like Gentoo's dependencies, they /do/ give you a way to change them
yourself without a whole lot of trouble. =8^)
BTW, if you aren't yet aware of it, there's the Gentoo-embedded list.
Next time I'd suggest trying the
package,
and get the info for just that package. It'd be /real/ nice if emerge
had a -vv or -vvv mode, that spit out what all the use flags actually did
for those packages, at the detail level of the questions above. If
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nding as I'm very aware I'm not doing
the work, just wondering, and appreciating that it's even possible, now,
and all the work people both upstream and Gentoo are putting into it.
ETA? At least order of magnitude (weeks, months, years, hopefully not
decades! =8^)? I'm not afraid o
/ssh entry pointed at
sys-apps/baselayout, one more reason he's glad Gentoo's flexible like
that =8^) ...
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topic came up, I thought I'd at least throw in that you've got one eager
consumer waiting for that day. =8^)
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ke these time based ones "once or more", so there's no holes between
the ranges (altho they'll technically overlap). Otherwise, those of us
doing system upkeep 2-3 times a will have a hard time trying to
figure out what to mark. =8^)
(BTW, agree with the no HTML thing alread
use Gentoo?
> 0
> 1-2
> 3+
> Prefer not to answer
What ages are they (mark all that apply)?
> 0-10
> 11-18
> 19-30
> 30-50
> 51+
> None or prefer not to answer
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tty low as well, so I'd say just elog it. That way, there's two
warnings to point to instead of just one (the name of the dir), for the
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etadata.xml`` files. Information
-in the new tags is not be mandatory. Any sane tool that currently
+in the new tags is not mandatory. Any sane tool that currently
handles ``metadata.xml`` files will simply ignore unrecognised elements.
Copyright
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So such people are out there...
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of early warning that's a big reason I read this group. One would
think such early warnings would be even /more/ important to those running
production systems on Gentoo, but...)
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Jan Kundrát <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted
below, on Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:06:58 +0100:
> Duncan wrote:
>> Mainstream kernel's default make install uses /sbin/installkernel if it
>> exists, so I've been using it, invoking the kernel'
een him make the point =8^), it's what people /should/ do, but...
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ld be nice, but if the affected devs (incl. bugwranglers) are willing
to deal with the complaints and they seem to be, the leaner system and
image is IMO a good thing, and announcement or not, people really
/should/ be checking their depcleans. =8^)
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urt. =8^) (Also, as I've said, folks with
such site-customized scripts are precisely the ones advanced enough they
/should/ catch it and be well able to make the necessary changes
themselves, regardless of warning, but should != will, and a GMN/GWN/
upgrade-guide warning is a nice touc
info to GMN/gentoo-dev-announce/gentoo-user should suffice.
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imit no longer applies.
IOW, just because the proposal above may be too long isn't reason to just
say it enables support for DjVu, without anything else. =8^) Knowing
it's a doc format is much more useful and higher priority than the
compression/performance stuff, if something has to
d in
> time the next weeks I fear.
Of course, for such an event, "unfortunately" is a matter of perspective.
=8^) Best wishes for the family and the baby, regardless of whether
Gentoo ultimately gets a dev or not. Of course, we hope both dad and
ultimately kid will be Gentoo devs,
proposal
may be more technically correct, but also has that unfortunate eyes-glaze-
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only two mentors (now possibly three) volunteered so far,
that's not so practical, but perhaps there are some who would prefer to
avoid primary mentorship if possible, but wouldn't mind doing it if it
becomes necessary to avoid /dev/null-ing the project.
It's also possible some wo
issue of not knowing for sure just what's
going to still be around in terms of config files and the like, since
unmerging baselayout isn't exactly an everyday thing.
FWIW, I took the jump anyway, and the etc-update seemed to go reasonably
well, but I've not rebooted yet...
-
to increase
the chances of folks who already know the process again taking him up on
the invitation, the next time he needs something tested. =8^)
So anyway, I thought it was worth asking about, in case it had slipped
his mind or he hadn't thought of it. No big deal either way, but i
Roy Marles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED],
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> As others pointed out, this is a package manager issue and those
> blockers are there because of this. Not an OpenRC issue as such ;)
>
> Thanks
... And thank /you/
/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/
symlink or the TZ environmental variable (see the tzset
and hwclock manpages among others).
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s, which ones? (This one is
at the top of my mind ATM due to the recent but now corrected USE=doc
abuse for kde4. Thanks, kde team, for fixing that. It was very
frustrating, but I realize the Gentoo packages were still in the heavy
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really /is/ trivial, even for non-dev testers. =:^)
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ll mapping, FEATURES or other variable, tho at least some of the above
would appear to be legitimate mainline portage if perhaps not yet well
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Robin H. Johnson posted on Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:46:18 + as excerpted:
> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 11:37:03AM +0000, Duncan wrote:
>> Is bugzilla comment submission down? I can fetch a bug, but trying to
>> submit a new comment fails with... eventually... a timeout. Repeating
&g
over the packages, as
he didn't have that sort of connection any more, some months ago.
Apparently it got no permanent help. Hopefully this does, but I just
wanted to say that I do believe I saw the request, so he didn't just
leave them to rot without asking for help.
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finer details.) How often /should/ we update? Every time we sync and
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users are urged not to sync more often than once a day, with Gentoo.
I haven't installed this yet. I should...
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he
3.5 packages get killed.
The other alternative would be to tie the plugin to both USE flags on the
older amaroks, with an ewarn if the two flags don't agree, but of course
that requires touching the ebuild AND has the implication of causing a
needless remerge for anyone using --newuse
7;s covered.)
If at that point it's postponed, that too is effectively a decision, but
I should hope it won't be postponed, as it's relatively simple either
way, and we need a resolution from council, as the authoritative body
designated to resolve such issues, both in general, and if I&#x
just bikeshedding, and I REALLY want to just get on with it, regardless
of what it's named, as the feature really is quite useful.
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ited build", thus
needing rebuilt anyway?), but if they're being built weekly now... it
really /is/ an interesting idea!
But not for me, of course, as like many Gentooers, I have my own ideas
about all those flags, and using distribution defaults brings back bad
memories of the binary based distributions... But maybe for /somebody/.
The /theory/'s there.
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nough" and the cost of changing it and
taking care of all those loose ends to make it work is high enough, that
there are always better ways to spend that time and energy.
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eshedding from my perspective, and this one I don't /care/
what the color/name is. But since we already have 10.0 profiles in-tree,
just run with them, as it's more work to worry about changing them now,
than it's worth. (And, I might add, I'm glad they're in, as the /las
n they decided they needed
to. If it's the only one that passes, ewarn/eerror to the effect
"Relying on UDEV_ASSUME_KERNEL_OPTS override. If it breaks, you get to
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But someone already mentioned a license audit, which in practical terms
would be needed to really depend on the LICENSE variable in any case.
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Mounir Lamouri posted on Thu, 03 Sep 2009 23:27:34 +0200 as excerpted:
> Rémi Cardona wrote:
>> Mounir Lamouri a écrit :
>>> Duncan wrote:
>>>> Sebastian Pipping posted:
>>>>
>>>>> However I do notice that "GPL-2+" could make thin
on of GPL
> license comes out, we simple add it to that group, and none of the
> corresponding ebuilds have to be updated.
That sounds like a very good EAPI-4 candidate. =:^)
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query it on the
command line as wtf ttbomk, if you need a cheat sheet for this sort of
thing, or look it up on onelook.com, FWIW, I have onelook setup as the
ol: kde web shortcut here, plus wtf. =:^)
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essary, instead of
in the overlays. But I have a strong suspicion I'd feel otherwise if I
were one of the devs tasked with getting packages like that, particularly
huge interrelated conglomerations of packages like that, actually into
some sort of usable working (for ordinary Gentoo users.
Sebastian Pipping posted on Sun, 13 Sep 2009 22:00:03 +0200 as excerpted:
> Duncan wrote:
>> [L]et's get some context here. layman's no difficulty at all, really,
>> when compared to the ordinary stuff we expect Gentoo users to do all
>> the time.
>
> I thin
stabilizing, we'll need py3k stabilized as well. But meanwhile, as
long as it itself is working well, we can use the time until then to
smooth the transition when that day arrives, arranging for modules to
install in multiple slots, etc.
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d. If not, you can
simply continue user-maintaining the single package you are interested
in. Either way, it benefits both Gentoo and other users (like me) of the
package.
Of course, that's all conditional on you and he forging a good working
relationship, but most devs won't compl
ying
let's move on.
Of course, that doesn't help the docs point to something beyond the now-
broken 2008.0.
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USE flag, which may or may not be
more appropriate, I don't know. I do know I'd love to see someone
explain the differences.
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