Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: sys-pam category

2005-06-06 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
I'm with Ned & fozer on this, in general at least. This is the second time this issue has come up over the last month or so; it's what kicks off the flat-tree debate. My preference in practice is to leave the current tree allocation of packages to categories well alone (to avoid unnecessary dis

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: sys-pam category

2005-06-06 Thread Jan Jitse Venselaar
On Sunday 05 June 2005 23:55, Ned Ludd wrote: > On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 16:57 -0400, Nathan L. Adams wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > Well obviously there needs to be a consensus on *how* to logically > > organize things before anyone goes willy nilly changing

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: sys-pam category

2005-06-05 Thread Alin Nastac
Mike Doty wrote: >I wonder if there is a svn interface to cvs, or if one could be written. > > > rename/move is a feature of the svn database, not of the svn interface. also support symlinks, btw. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: sys-pam category

2005-06-05 Thread Mike Doty
On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 17:44 +0300, Alin Nastac wrote: [snip] > it is a laborious work, but it could be done. > too bad we don't use subversion :( I wonder if there is a svn interface to cvs, or if one could be written. -- === Mike Doty

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: sys-pam category

2005-06-05 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 04:22:10PM +0200, Diego 'Flameeyes' Petten? wrote: > Currently pam stuff (implementations, modules) are organized in the worst way > I ever seen. > Most of them are in sys-libs, some of them in app-admin, other in app-crypt, > pam_smb in net-misc and so on. > > I think we

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: sys-pam category

2005-06-05 Thread Ned Ludd
On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 16:57 -0400, Nathan L. Adams wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Ned Ludd wrote: > > *poof* we now reshuffle, but then we can do auth with ldap. So lets > > move > > all the */ldap* related subjects under it sys-auth/... Then a month or > > six late

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: sys-pam category

2005-06-05 Thread Nathan L. Adams
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Nathan L. Adams wrote: > Well obviously there needs to be a consensus on *how* to logically > organize things before anyone goes willy nilly changing stuff. Do you > group by what the package is used for (email vs. game vs. web browser) > or by what it

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: sys-pam category

2005-06-05 Thread Nathan L. Adams
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ned Ludd wrote: > *poof* we now reshuffle, but then we can do auth with ldap. So lets > move > all the */ldap* related subjects under it sys-auth/... Then a month or > six later comes along sys-ldap and it gets moved there. The logic will > go full

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: sys-pam category

2005-06-05 Thread Ned Ludd
On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 21:21 +0200, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: > On Sunday 05 June 2005 21:03, Ned Ludd wrote: > > 14 files matching the pam prefix and 18 thing matching description. > You missed pam_ssh. And that's just an example. > By the way... mind telling everyone here how did you do tha

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: sys-pam category

2005-06-05 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Sunday 05 June 2005 21:03, Ned Ludd wrote: > 14 files matching the pam prefix and 18 thing matching description. You missed pam_ssh. And that's just an example. By the way... mind telling everyone here how did you do that search? I still feel that looking for pam things in a *single* place is m

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: sys-pam category

2005-06-05 Thread Jonas Geiregat
Nathan L. Adams wrote: > >>Then why is their a browsable "Categories" link on the packages site? >> >>http://packages.gentoo.org/categories/ >> >> Very good question , .. >>I don't agree with Ned. Organizing the packages logically makes things >>less confusing for the end-user and developers

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: sys-pam category

2005-06-05 Thread Ned Ludd
On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 13:25 -0400, Nathan L. Adams wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > foser wrote: > > On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 18:34 +0200, Jonas Geiregat wrote: > > > >>I do agree with you but some package just have completely wrong place > >>within portage, such package

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: sys-pam category

2005-06-05 Thread Ned Ludd
On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 19:34 +0200, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: > On Sunday 05 June 2005 17:37, Ned Ludd wrote: > > I think they are fine where they are. Moving stuff around is a waste of > > time. Makes things more complex. Makes more work on everybody. > Sorry but I don't agree with that, at

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: sys-pam category

2005-06-05 Thread Lance Albertson
On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 13:50 -0400, Michael Cummings wrote: > Solar, > I realize you meant this as a general statement of opinion and not a > flame-baiter, but can you elaborate on: > > On Sunday 05 June 2005 11:37, Ned Ludd wrote: > > Invalidates binary package trees. > > My (wrong?) unde

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: sys-pam category

2005-06-05 Thread Michael Cummings
Solar, I realize you meant this as a general statement of opinion and not a flame-baiter, but can you elaborate on: On Sunday 05 June 2005 11:37, Ned Ludd wrote: > Invalidates binary package trees. My (wrong?) understanding was that this is addressed when portage runs a fixpackages (ot

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: sys-pam category

2005-06-05 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Sunday 05 June 2005 17:37, Ned Ludd wrote: > I think they are fine where they are. Moving stuff around is a waste of > time. Makes things more complex. Makes more work on everybody. Sorry but I don't agree with that, at least for the particular case of pam. The way it's now, makes my work hardwa

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: sys-pam category

2005-06-05 Thread Nathan L. Adams
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 foser wrote: > On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 18:34 +0200, Jonas Geiregat wrote: > >>I do agree with you but some package just have completely wrong place >>within portage, such package placements migh confuse the user. >>To give an example: mzscheme was place

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: sys-pam category

2005-06-05 Thread foser
On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 18:34 +0200, Jonas Geiregat wrote: > I do agree with you but some package just have completely wrong place > within portage, such package placements migh confuse the user. > To give an example: mzscheme was placed in dev-lisp while portage had a > dev-scheme directory. The cu

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: sys-pam category

2005-06-05 Thread Jonas Geiregat
Ned Ludd wrote: >On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 16:22 +0200, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: > > >>Currently pam stuff (implementations, modules) are organized in the worst way >>I ever seen. >>Most of them are in sys-libs, some of them in app-admin, other in app-crypt, >>pam_smb in net-misc and so on

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: sys-pam category

2005-06-05 Thread Ned Ludd
On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 16:22 +0200, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: > Currently pam stuff (implementations, modules) are organized in the worst way > I ever seen. > Most of them are in sys-libs, some of them in app-admin, other in app-crypt, > pam_smb in net-misc and so on. > > I think we should

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: sys-pam category

2005-06-05 Thread Ian Leitch
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: > Currently pam stuff (implementations, modules) are organized in the worst way > I ever seen. > Most of them are in sys-libs, some of them in app-admin, other in app-crypt, > pam_smb in net-misc and so on. > > I thi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: sys-pam category

2005-06-05 Thread Alin Nastac
Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: >Currently pam stuff (implementations, modules) are organized in the worst way >I ever seen. >Most of them are in sys-libs, some of them in app-admin, other in app-crypt, >pam_smb in net-misc and so on. > >I think we should reorganize them and have a sys-pam cate

[gentoo-dev] Proposal: sys-pam category

2005-06-05 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
Currently pam stuff (implementations, modules) are organized in the worst way I ever seen. Most of them are in sys-libs, some of them in app-admin, other in app-crypt, pam_smb in net-misc and so on. I think we should reorganize them and have a sys-pam category with implementations (Linux-PAM an