On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 18:21 +0200, Carsten Lohrke wrote:
> The difference is that I argue, while you accuse me to play false. I consider
> this as ad hominem and together with all this "FUD" and "BS" calling, in
> contrary to my email, inflammatory.
... and that is inflammatory :-)
> > > I'd app
On Thursday 03 August 2006 04:56, Brian Harring wrote:
> *cough*. bit hypocritical for you to lecture me about viewing
> your statements as 'flaming', and in the same breath label
> my own as 'flaming' ;)
>
> Why am I pointing this out? My initial points were that of "why the
> double standard",
On Thursday 03 August 2006 04:56, Brian Harring wrote:
> Besides... frankly it's kind of BS to push the vuln angle onto sunrise
> when gentoo can't even clean out years old vulnerable packages from
> gentoo-x86 (that doesn't absolve sunrise from having to watch it, nor
> a potshot at the understaf
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 10:46:22AM +0100, Roy Bamford wrote:
> On 2006.08.03 04:27, Lance Albertson wrote:
> [snip]
>
> >There's a good chance that a package in the regular tree will link
> >against a package from sunrise, the user will have no idea or forget
> >that they installed that app from s
On 2006.08.03 04:27, Lance Albertson wrote:
[snip]
There's a good chance that a package in the regular tree will link
against a package from sunrise, the user will have no idea or forget
that they installed that app from sunrise (and the dep exists), and a
bug arises.
[snip]
Anyways, I've bee
Lance Albertson wrote:
I think the point a lot of people are concerned about are packages that
contain libraries or other dependencies that reside in the sunrise tree.
There's a good chance that a package in the regular tree will link
against a package from sunrise, the user will have no idea or
On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 10:27:04PM -0500, Lance Albertson wrote:
> Brian Harring wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 08:05:15PM +0200, Carsten Lohrke wrote:
>
> >> Local overlays are fine as the user exactly knows what he does in his
> >> private
> >> overlay (and hopefully follows eclass changes
Brian Harring wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 08:05:15PM +0200, Carsten Lohrke wrote:
>> Local overlays are fine as the user exactly knows what he does in his
>> private
>> overlay (and hopefully follows eclass changes), development overlays are
>> fine
>> (assuming the group of people contro
Brian Harring wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 08:05:15PM +0200, Carsten Lohrke wrote:
>> First I'd like to state that I do offer my opinion. You don't have to like
>> it,
>> but disqualifying it as flaming, while exactly doing this yourself,
>> disqualifies you.
>
> *cough*. bit hypocritical
On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 08:05:15PM +0200, Carsten Lohrke wrote:
> First I'd like to state that I do offer my opinion. You don't have to like
> it,
> but disqualifying it as flaming, while exactly doing this yourself,
> disqualifies you.
*cough*. bit hypocritical for you to lecture me about vie
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:49:19 -0500 "Alex Tarkovsky"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | On 8/2/06, Stephen P. Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | > > Every time you post it's like fingernails on a chalkboard...
> | > Ha ha ha! Oh gosh that's funny! That's really funny!
> |
On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:49:19 -0500 "Alex Tarkovsky"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| On 8/2/06, Stephen P. Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| > > Every time you post it's like fingernails on a chalkboard...
| > >
| > > http://arcanux.org/scarecrow.png
| >
| > Ha ha ha! Oh gosh that's funny! That's real
Alex Tarkovsky wrote:
> On 8/2/06, Stephen P. Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Every time you post it's like fingernails on a chalkboard...
>> >
>> > http://arcanux.org/scarecrow.png
>>
>> Ha ha ha! Oh gosh that's funny! That's really funny! Do you photoshop
>> your own material? Do you? Beca
On 8/2/06, Stephen P. Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Every time you post it's like fingernails on a chalkboard...
>
> http://arcanux.org/scarecrow.png
Ha ha ha! Oh gosh that's funny! That's really funny! Do you photoshop
your own material? Do you? Because that is so fresh. Ciaranm is like a
First I'd like to state that I do offer my opinion. You don't have to like it,
but disqualifying it as flaming, while exactly doing this yourself,
disqualifies you. I'd appreciate, if you would try to have a controversial
discussion, without starting to loose your manners.
On Wednesday 02 Augu
On Monday 31 July 2006 08:47, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> Knowing what the problem is is part of making the solution. The problem
> is not that users can't push arbitrary content into a centralised
> official repository with no oversight from the herds appropriate for
> said content quickly enough. I
Every time you post it's like fingernails on a chalkboard...
http://arcanux.org/scarecrow.png
Ha ha ha! Oh gosh that's funny! That's really funny! Do you photoshop
your own material? Do you? Because that is so fresh. Ciaranm is like a
scarecrow. You know, I've, I've never heard anyone make th
> On 8/2/06, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> The alternative to elitism is mediocrity. Would you like Gentoo to be a
>> mediocre distribution?
>
> Every time you post it's like fingernails on a chalkboard...
>
> http://arcanux.org/scarecrow.png
but he has a valid point. this is not a
> On 8/2/06, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> The alternative to elitism is mediocrity. Would you like Gentoo to be a
>> mediocre distribution?
>
> Every time you post it's like fingernails on a chalkboard...
>
> http://arcanux.org/scarecrow.png
>
but this time he is right, am i gl
> C
On 2006.08.02 10:51, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 11:41:10 +0200 "Denis Dupeyron"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
| On 8/2/06, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| > The alternative to elitism is mediocrity. Would you like Gentoo to
| > be a mediocre distribution?
|
| The real wor
On 8/2/06, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The alternative to elitism is mediocrity. Would you like Gentoo to be a
mediocre distribution?
Every time you post it's like fingernails on a chalkboard...
http://arcanux.org/scarecrow.png
Cheers.
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On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 11:41:10 +0200 "Denis Dupeyron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
| On 8/2/06, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| > The alternative to elitism is mediocrity. Would you like Gentoo to
| > be a mediocre distribution?
|
| The real world isn't binary. So there's a whole range of
On 8/2/06, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The alternative to elitism is mediocrity. Would you like Gentoo to be a
mediocre distribution?
The real world isn't binary. So there's a whole range of alternatives
between elitism and mediocrity.
Denis.
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On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 11:21:38 +0200 Thierry Carrez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
| Or maybe he means the "Gentoo developers" are an elite group of
| flawless people, blessed by the mighty ebuild quizz ? That elitism
| would in the end kill us, and I thank the Sunrise project for opening
| up Gentoo a l
Brian Harring wrote:
> What the hell do you think the tree is? It's a bunch of arbitrary
> packages maintained loosely by subgroups of people; you're stating
> that sunrise is too loose yet gentoo-x86 is fundamentally no
> different.
>
> Sunrise is pretty much the same damn thing.
Or maybe h
On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 02:24:17AM +0200, Carsten Lohrke wrote:
> On Monday 31 July 2006 07:05, Seemant Kulleen wrote:
> > OK, let's start with: what exactly is the problem?
> 1) Please reread my replies in the first sunrise thread. Points are:
1) no security,
Suggest you read their responses, an
On Thursday 01 January 1970 01:00, Alec Warner wrote:
> eclass changes? You can't even commit eclasses to it...
Eclass changes in the main tree, including all relevant ebuilds updated, but
breaking the ebuilds in the Surise overlay, having whining users or borked
systems in the worst case.
Ca
Carsten Lohrke wrote:
On Monday 31 July 2006 07:05, Seemant Kulleen wrote:
OK, let's start with: what exactly is the problem?
Please reread my replies in the first sunrise thread. Points are: no security,
issues with eclass changes which will result in bug spam, the fact that
eclass changes
On Monday 31 July 2006 07:05, Seemant Kulleen wrote:
> OK, let's start with: what exactly is the problem?
Please reread my replies in the first sunrise thread. Points are: no security,
issues with eclass changes which will result in bug spam, the fact that
sunrise is a bunch of arbitrary package
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:13:45 -0700
Joshua Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There is a lot of irony in this entire discussion. We are actually
> talking about going against what the heck part of the reason this
> project was started. Are we seriously that *can't find the word I'm
> looking for*
Noack, Sebastian wrote:
> A patch for your signature to increase your life expectancy. ;)
>
> @@ -1 +1 @@
> -cd /local/pub && more beer > /dev/mouth
> +cd /local/pub && more beer | sed -e "s/beer/water/g" > /dev/mouth
BTTTDW (Been There, Tried That, Didn't Work :) )
Cheers,
-jkt
--
cd /local/p
Am Montag, 31. Juli 2006 11:16 schrieb ext Noack, Sebastian:
> A patch for your signature to increase your life expectancy. ;)
>
> @@ -1 +1 @@
> -cd /local/pub && more beer > /dev/mouth
> +cd /local/pub && more beer | sed -e "s/beer/water/g" > /dev/mouth
Luckily, this doesn't even work :-) Beer wi
Kundrát [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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An: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Betreff: Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise resumed
Alex Tarkovsky wrote:
> Gentoo is a team effort. There's no place in Gentoo for developers who
> can't function within a team environ
On 2006.07.31 03:00, Alex Tarkovsky wrote:
On 7/30/06, Stephen P. Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
There is nothing you or anyone else can say that will make me
think otherwise,
You won't listen, yet you expect to be listened to. Speaking as a
user and lover of Gentoo I believe you should r
Mike Frysinger wrote:
> people need to bring up their outstanding issues now and get them
> addressed
Hello all,
I'm currently a Gentoo "power user" and I'm being mentored by kloeri to
become a developer. During this time, I've had the chance to study
accurately the Gentoo developer's handbook and
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:13:45 -0700 Joshua Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
| That is the issue at hand at the core of this. Its called choice.
Choice is not an end in itself.
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Mail: ciaran dot mccreesh at blueyonder.co.uk
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Alex Tarkovsky wrote:
> Gentoo is a team effort. There's no place in Gentoo for developers who
> can't function within a team environment where members must be capable
> of rational deliberation and, from time to time, compromise.
OTOH this "team collaboration" doesn't mean that we have to agree w
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Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>
> Knowing what the problem is is part of making the solution. The problem
> is not that users can't push arbitrary content into a centralised
> official repository with no oversight from the herds appropriate for
> said content
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 02:37:41 -0400 Seemant Kulleen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
| > They're not relevant to this discussion. We're not discussing what
| > the right solution is, we're discussing why Sunrise is the wrong
| > solution. There's a hell of a difference -- as an illustration,
| > most peop
>
> They're not relevant to this discussion. We're not discussing what the
> right solution is, we're discussing why Sunrise is the wrong solution.
> There's a hell of a difference -- as an illustration, most people could
> tell you why giving everybody nukes is the wrong way to get peace in
> th
On Monday 31 July 2006 01:53, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 01:38:42 -0400 Seemant Kulleen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> | Please note the difference between pulling and pushing. Pushing
> | implies that people who don't want sunrise on their systems have to
> | have it and have to use it.
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 01:38:42 -0400 Seemant Kulleen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
| On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 06:30 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| > Their commit history backs it up all by itself.
|
| Ppint to specifically what, in their respective histories, proves your
| case. This is like pulling tee
On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 06:30 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> Their commit history backs it up all by itself.
Ppint to specifically what, in their respective histories, proves your
case. This is like pulling teeth.
> | Where is this code being pushed to, exactly?
>
> Users.
Please note the dif
On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 03:53 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> Partly, the part where it's run by people who have little clue about
> ebuild development or QA, who will be taking code from people who have
> little clue about ebuild development or QA and giving it to other
> people who have little clu
On Sunday 30 July 2006 18:47, Stephen P. Becker wrote:
> There is nothing you or anyone else can say
well if you're coming forth with such stout resolution of ignoring any one
else's input, then there's no point in debating the topic with you now is
there ?
-mike
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On 7/30/06, Stephen P. Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
There is nothing you or anyone else can say that will make me
think otherwise,
You won't listen, yet you expect to be listened to. Speaking as a user
and lover of Gentoo I believe you should resign as a developer.
On this list and on IRC
Stephen P. Becker wrote:
Ok, since the first time around apparently wasn't good enough, how about
this? This project sucks. It takes random ebuilds without enough merit
or demand to even have some team and/or developer within Gentoo pick it
up, and dumps it to a
user-supported-yet-completely
Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Thursday 27 July 2006 18:21, Stephen P. Becker wrote:
Looking at the meeting log, the
council even noted that the concerns had not been addressed
no, we noted that people claimed they had concerns but when cornered and asked
what exactly their concerns were, no more r
On Thursday 27 July 2006 18:21, Stephen P. Becker wrote:
> Looking at the meeting log, the
> council even noted that the concerns had not been addressed
no, we noted that people claimed they had concerns but when cornered and asked
what exactly their concerns were, no more responses were to be ha
On Thu, 2006-07-27 at 18:21 -0400, Stephen P. Becker wrote:
> Stefan Schweizer wrote:
> > In last weeks council meeting [1] it was decided that the Sunrise project is
> > no longer suspended. I can give a short overview of the current status of
> > the overlay:
> >
> > - we currently have 154 ebui
Stefan Schweizer wrote:
In last weeks council meeting [1] it was decided that the Sunrise project is
no longer suspended. I can give a short overview of the current status of
the overlay:
- we currently have 154 ebuilds in 58 categories in the overlay
not counting the ebuilds that got into por
To my fellow Gentoo developers and users,
Sunrise is about contributing ebuilds and getting feedback and review while
doing so. The main resource this currently happens for is the Gentoo User
Overlay of Sunrise and second come ebuilds that get into portage afterwards
In last weeks council meeting
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