Re: [gentoo-dev] [v1.0.2] GLEP 74: Full-tree verification using Manifest files

2017-11-01 Thread Walter Dnes
evel subdirectories of /usr/portage and check against the directory manifests? -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications cleanup.gz Description: Binary data

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC v2: news item for the 17.0 profiles

2017-10-11 Thread Walter Dnes
ady have a workaround), I'll look at the profile jump. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC v2: news item for the 17.0 profiles

2017-10-11 Thread Walter Dnes
On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 12:41:06AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote > I'm on 6.3.0 on x86, which is currently unstable on *ALL* arches, and > "emerge -pv =sys-devel/gcc-6.3.0" shows "(-pie)". And x86 32-bit

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC v2: news item for the 17.0 profiles

2017-10-10 Thread Walter Dnes
machine. It's an ancient 2008 CORE2 with 3 gigs of ram, but it works fine for me, including Youtube 1080P streaming. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] Providing a `service` scripts that speaks OpenRC and systemd

2017-09-29 Thread Walter Dnes
large number of different inits, with as many "elif" lines as you care to add. But, how do we reliably detect the currently running init system? Are there running processes, or entries in /sys/ or /proc/ or /dev that are unique to to each init system? -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH v2] eclass/kernel-2.eclass: Remove use of tr in global scope

2017-08-31 Thread Walter Dnes
other. If someone has a better idea of doing this simple > lowercase/uppercase change that satisifies PMS at all versions I am > happy to revisit. Is "sed -e" allowed? E.g. [d531][waltdnes][~] echo "AbCd" | sed -e 's/\(.*\)/\L\1/' abcd [d531][waltdnes][~] echo "AbCd" | sed -e 's/\(.*\)/\U\1/' ABCD -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New SYMLINK_LIB=no migration tool for review

2017-08-02 Thread Walter Dnes
that there is no "mainstream" to follow. > > Perhaps striving for the cleanest solution would be the best? > > Debian puts 64-bit libs in /lib/(host), where (host) is something like > x86_64-linux-gnu. They don't get put in /lib directly. They call this > "multiarch". > > Migrating Gentoo to a "multiarch" config is a larger project. And what happens when 128-bit cpus debut? /lib128? -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Future of gentoo's stable and unstable trees: what are your thoughts?

2017-07-29 Thread Walter Dnes
of rush-stabilizing everything "just because". I recommend mostly keeping our current setup, with one change, i.e. allowing security-fix ebuilds to go "stable" immediately. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] vim-syntax USE flag

2017-07-23 Thread Walter Dnes
ule is not listed in "/etc/vimodule.nopurge", delete the module. Option B) Integrate this functionality into Portage. During the install process, check if the ebuild being installed is listed in "/etc/vimodule.nopurge". If not, skip installing files into the vim modules directory. If "/etc/vimodule.nopurge" doesn't exist, or "NEEDSCONFIGFIRST" has not been commented out, allow the modules to be installed. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] Auto adding packages to world was -> Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-11 Thread Walter Dnes
If you can't be bothered to use available customization options to set up your machine to your liking, but ask for a change of defaults that also affects everybody else, don't be surprised at the negative reaction. You would've gotten a much better reception, if you had gone to the gento

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-10 Thread Walter Dnes
nes like... emerge --depclean --verbose =fu-bar/xyz-1.2.3 Before running "./cleanscript", I check it for problems. Here's the autodepclean script... #!/bin/bash # autodepclean script v 0.04 released under GPL v3 by Walter Dnes 2012/07/09 # Generates a file "clean

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-09 Thread Walter Dnes
On Sun, Jul 09, 2017 at 09:49:08AM -0400, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote > On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 05:24:19 -0400 > "Walter Dnes" wrote: > > > Yes, for gcc. > > Which if someone ignores warnings, and breaks their system, it is on > them. At that point your best t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-09 Thread Walter Dnes
* "emerge --depclean" after deleting from /etc/portage/package_rdepend -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-09 Thread Walter Dnes
On Sat, Jul 08, 2017 at 09:32:09PM -0400, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote > On Sat, 8 Jul 2017 20:27:38 -0400 > "Walter Dnes" wrote: > > > > > Though I will have to see what happens if a package is listed in > > > more than one set. I think there is a hiera

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-08 Thread Walter Dnes
/python-2.7.3 >=dev-lang/yasm-1.0.1 >=dev-libs/glib-2.24 dev-vcs/git media-libs/fontconfig >=media-libs/freetype-2.1.0 media-libs/mesa =sys-devel/autoconf-2.13 sys-devel/gcc <=x11-libs/gtk+-3.0 x11-libs/libXt x11-themes/hicolor-icon-theme" Does each entry have to be detailed with configure, install, etc, stuff, or is this sufficient? -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] New 17.0 release profiles

2017-06-17 Thread Walter Dnes
0 Feb 28 14:50 package.use.mask -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 35 Aug 8 2015 parent -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] New 17.0 release profiles

2017-06-15 Thread Walter Dnes
On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 11:41:11PM +0200, Andreas K. Huettel wrote > Am Sonntag, 11. Juni 2017, 20:39:00 CEST schrieb Walter Dnes: > > 1) Should I be doing bug reports on the Gentoo bugzilla or upstream? > > Gentoo please, though also submitting stuff upstream and linking to >

Re: [gentoo-dev] New 17.0 release profiles

2017-06-11 Thread Walter Dnes
entoo.org/wiki/Upgrading_Gentoo > In the simplest case users only have to change the > /etc/portage/make.profile symlink, in the worst case they may have > to recompile the entire system from scratch while doing a neat > voodoo dance. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] NeoVim and vim-syntax

2017-06-02 Thread Walter Dnes
On Fri, Jun 02, 2017 at 01:14:31PM +1200, Kent Fredric wrote > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:38:01 -0400 > "Walter Dnes" wrote: > > > As mentioned elsewhere, what happens when two or three other > > people do their own forks? Plugin 1 works with vim A and B but >

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] NeoVim and vim-syntax

2017-06-01 Thread Walter Dnes
forked version of Ad Block Plus to ensure that it works on Pale Moon.. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] toolchain meeting agenda for today 19:00 UTC #gentoo-toolchain

2017-05-29 Thread Walter Dnes
pre-built binaries like Pale Moon (from their website), firefox-bin, seamonkey-bin, openoffice-bin, libreoffice-bin, libreproject-bin, etc. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Restricted version of gentoo-dev mailing list

2017-05-24 Thread Walter Dnes
, be they OS-level or application-level. Regular users should not have to follow this list. Even if you're not going to alter course regardless of feedback, at least let users know so they're not caught unawares. If nothing else, post news items to Gentoo-user ***AHEAD OF TIME*** warning about changes like these. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Restricted version of gentoo-dev mailing list

2017-05-24 Thread Walter Dnes
y * GNOME getting a hard-coded dependancy on systemd * etc, etc -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Restricted version of gentoo-dev mailing list

2017-05-23 Thread Walter Dnes
nical items and patches that are over my head. But after the separate /usr fiasco, I don't feel I have any choice. If we could have a guarantee of proposed changes like that being posted on Gentoo-User for comment, rather than being sprung on users by surprise, I'd be willing to sign off this list. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] Dropping ia64/ppc/sparc profiles to dev/exp

2017-05-14 Thread Walter Dnes
01 suggests that Intel came up with a radically different design for Itanium, versus x86, specifically to avoid a cross-licencing agreement that allows AMD to clone Intel x86 and x86_64 cpus. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] News item: GCC 6 defaults to USE="pie ssp", v2

2017-05-11 Thread Walter Dnes
default-enabled > use-flag pie) in regular (non-hardened) profiles. Has anyone checked 32-bit systems? "emerge -pv =sys-devel/gcc-6.3.0" on a 2008 Core2duo 32-bit install (my GCC 6.3.0 testbed) shows "(-pie)". I read that as the "pie" USE flag being hard-masked

[gentoo-dev] USE flag name collision in use.local.desc "graphite"

2017-04-29 Thread Walter Dnes
flag means something entirely different for harfbuzz, i.e. build media-libs/harfbuzz against media-gfx/graphite2 -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: masking old versions of sys-devel/gcc

2017-04-26 Thread Walter Dnes
### The include script to use gcc 5.4.0 differs in only the first line... ### export GCCX_ROOT=$HOME/gcc540 ### Would the various "export" commands work if inserted into make.conf? Actually, would they eve

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: stable gcc 5.4.0 ??

2017-04-20 Thread Walter Dnes
#x27;ll wait for other people to experience problems. If nothing major, I might switch at a convenient time. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: stable gcc 5.4.0 ??

2017-04-20 Thread Walter Dnes
1 Status: 2017-04-20 (frozen, all changes require RM approval). Development: GCC 8.0 Status: 2017-04-20 (regression fixes & docs only). Maybe we should what many enterprises do with Windows; i.e. skip a version and go straight to gcc-6. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: stable gcc 5.4.0 ??

2017-04-19 Thread Walter Dnes
e" Mixing together does not seem to work. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: profiles/arches.desc - improve repoman flexibility (with other benefits)

2017-03-26 Thread Walter Dnes
, there's no need to go JSON format (bleagh). To simplify parsing, fields for one arch should be clustered together. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Pre-GLEP: Security Project

2017-03-11 Thread Walter Dnes
e the last stage before masking. It would deliberately break the build, and require the user/admin to take manual action (add the flag for the GLEP) before proceeding further. This is a heavy-handed method, but masking is more final. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] Guidelines for IUSE defaults

2017-02-02 Thread Walter Dnes
days. I figure that it'll probably have a shorter USE line if I start USE with "-*", and I will not have a larger package.use file. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] Guidelines for IUSE defaults

2017-02-02 Thread Walter Dnes
to set a flag to one of 2-or-more options? > 4 To make the default build agree with the maintainer's personal > preferences. > > * Example: enabling hpn in net-misc/openssh by default. Another example is IPV6 which most people do not yet have from their ISP as a regul

Re: [gentoo-dev] REQUIRED_USE, global USE flags, user-friendliness...

2017-01-28 Thread Walter Dnes
fall within the realm of regular Gentoo. If anybody has problems, they can go to generic Gentoo support forums/lists for help. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last-rites: www-plugins/pipelight

2017-01-17 Thread Walter Dnes
ary components for extensions > * Overlay and bootstrapped extensions, including restartless ones > * Access to low-level APIs from extensions > * Pale Moon Sync (in the secure, time-tested Weave fashion) -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] bzipped manpages

2017-01-12 Thread Walter Dnes
own linux installation" has a multi-terabyte hard drive attached. There are small laptops with SSDs instead of spinning disks. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gcc 6 and Gcc 5 update

2016-12-11 Thread Walter Dnes
> Graphite loop optimizations. That approach guarantees that the appropriate library versions are available for the version of GCC that you're building. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] Uppercase characters in package names

2016-12-02 Thread Walter Dnes
...gives 1814 *UNIQUE* packages, usually vith multiple ebuild versions for each package. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] Commented packages in the @system set

2016-10-26 Thread Walter Dnes
eed > to have gcc, but may still need libstdc++. That just moves the requirement for gcc+tools to the catalyst build farm. OK, let's get specific... a *STANDALONE* Gentoo machine requires gcc+tools. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Can we have process names and stdout / stderr indication to more efficiently parse build logs?

2013-09-03 Thread Walter Dnes
#x27;.[35;1m2.7.[0m' == See https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=463954 -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: Can we have process names and stdout / stderr indication to more efficiently parse build logs? (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: escape sequences in logs)

2013-09-03 Thread Walter Dnes
rep and/or parse in bash. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: Can we have process names and stdout / stderr indication to more efficiently parse build logs? (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: escape sequences in logs)

2013-09-03 Thread Walter Dnes
;editor" to view log files. I use mc (Midnight Commander) which views plain text, but doesn't decode ANSI. A nice feature of mc is that I can sort the file list by various options. When looking at emerge output in /var/log/portage/elog, I want to sort by file-modify-time, so I can easi

Re: [gentoo-dev] git-r3: initial draft for review [v2]

2013-09-03 Thread Walter Dnes
r-highlighted text, while... grep foo bar.txt > output.txt ...returns plain text. So it can be done properly for everybody. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: stabilization policies

2013-08-20 Thread Walter Dnes
ou're asking for > trouble. Wise words. That level of laziness *ON A PRODUCTION SERVER* is unacceptable. Are there any other packages that get updated as often as vanilla sources? Maybe they should be considered for a similar policy. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-user] OpenRc-0.12 is coming soon

2013-08-16 Thread Walter Dnes
veloper standards, maybe the wording should be a more generic "make a backup copy of" /etc. I also recommend backing up /var/lib, which contains iptables rules, alsa state, portage "world", and other goodies. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-11 Thread Walter Dnes
namon/Consort/Mate/Kate/etc/etc. I'm a neutral observer of this entire mess... see my sig. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-11 Thread Walter Dnes
encies. > > But to complain to upstream without providing patches is a bit futile, > don't you think? That's not how open source projects work, we all know > that. > > greg k-h > > -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Walter Dnes
from udev. GNOME forks already exist. Just off the top of my head... XFCE, Cinnamon, Consort, Mint, Mate, Kate, Unity, etc, etc. If you don't like GNOME, try one of them. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Walter Dnes
On Fri, Aug 09, 2013 at 11:16:37AM +0200, Tom Wijsman wrote > Though, an init system standard might be the most promising approach. Ahemmm http://xkcd.com/927/ -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Walter Dnes
openrc to systemd first 2) once you have that working, then worry about upgrading to GNOME 3.8 -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] renaming gentoo-oldnet

2013-08-05 Thread Walter Dnes
/etc/procmailrc -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4479 Jun 14 02:54 /etc/wgetrc -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] Base profile changes should be announced/discussed on this list.

2013-07-31 Thread Walter Dnes
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:58:37PM +0200, Michael Weber wrote > On 07/31/2013 11:53 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: > > Hold on a minute. There is a *MAJOR* difference between "gpm" the USE > > flag, and sys-libs/gpm the mouse server. > [...] > > If there was a move

Re: [gentoo-dev] Base profile changes should be announced/discussed on this list.

2013-07-31 Thread Walter Dnes
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:58:37PM +0200, Michael Weber wrote > On 07/31/2013 11:53 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: > > Hold on a minute. There is a *MAJOR* difference between "gpm" the USE > > flag, and sys-libs/gpm the mouse server. > [...] > > If there was a move

Re: [gentoo-dev] Base profile changes should be announced/discussed on this list.

2013-07-31 Thread Walter Dnes
rom a text console, it still works. If there was a move afoot to remove sys-libs/gpm from the install ISO, I would be part of the crowd up in arms about this. But that's totally a separate item from the USE flag. Since I've never used the gpm USE flag, I have to ask... what additio

Re: [gentoo-dev] s/disk space/drive space

2013-07-30 Thread Walter Dnes
> > > > rich0 is confused and looks over at the "storage space" he keeps his > > bicycles in... > > So what colour would your storage space be? I think mauve has the most ram http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1995-11-17/ -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

[gentoo-dev] PYTHON flags grammar? why?

2013-07-28 Thread Walter Dnes
r USE_EXPAND. > > (OTOH, as long a nobody will introduce a PYTHON_TARGETS_PYTHON2 > variable, python2_7 will also work fine.) Out of sheer curiousity, why does make.conf need all 3 of... PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="python2_7" PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7" USE_PYTHON=&

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: [gentoo-kernel] Proper distribution integration of kernel *-sources, patches and configuration.

2013-07-03 Thread Walter Dnes
"custom_patch_foo custom_patch_bar" -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: eselect init

2013-06-02 Thread Walter Dnes
t_USB/automount Having said that, I don't see how busybox development justifies an additional layer of complexity for everybody's bootup. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Switchup-mode and boottime selector? Was: eselect init

2013-05-29 Thread Walter Dnes
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 09:56:00PM +0200, Tom Wijsman wrote > "Walter Dnes" wrote: > > > In order for a different init system to come up, some file(s) > > somewhere *MUST* be different, no ifs/ands/ors/buts. > > How true is this in general? It is usually onl

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Switchup-mode and boottime selector? Was: eselect init

2013-05-29 Thread Walter Dnes
wn properly with the old init b) the system starts up properly with the new init c) if the new files are incorrect/unbootable, you can simply chroot into the machine and send pleas for help to the Gentoo user mailing list ;) -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

[gentoo-dev] Separate boot/root already [WAS: eselect init]

2013-05-27 Thread Walter Dnes
"bb-init" based on busybox? If so, a separate partition would also prevent standard utilities from stomping all over their busybox symlink equivalants. Add another entry to the grub/lilo menu, and boot from that. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] Switchup-mode and boottime selector? Was: eselect init

2013-05-27 Thread Walter Dnes
sorts of additional functionality. Backups while the > system is quiesced? Hook for boot-chart and similar modes? A fast-boot > special media-player mode? Something else exotic in mind? No problem! > Hack up a special purpose switchup-mode script for it, and "the world's > your oyster!" I think you've just re-invented the bootloader (lilo/grub). It can boot Gentoo, Fedora, BSD, any special-purpose kernel you wish, and even Windows 7 for that matter. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] eselect init

2013-05-25 Thread Walter Dnes
SO. The advantage here is that if the system ends up no longer bootable off the harddrive, you can still boot from the ISO, chroot into the system on the harddrive, and send emails to the gentoo-user list asking for help . -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Making systemd more accessible to "normal" users

2013-05-22 Thread Walter Dnes
on is generally better than cleaning up after the fact. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: CPU use flag detection

2013-05-18 Thread Walter Dnes
xman:mmxext - Enable MMX2 support. ...shouldn't "mmxext" be moved out of use.local.desc into use.desc? -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Making systemd more accessible to "normal" users

2013-05-18 Thread Walter Dnes
ug.cgi?id=198901 forbade using it that way. And therefore systemd config files would be installed regardless of flags. Therefore udev/eudev don't have "systemd" flags. But both have "openrc" flags, and will not run OK on an openrc machine without the "openrc" flag. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] Making systemd more accessible to "normal" users

2013-05-08 Thread Walter Dnes
e > systemd project. Then howsabout a "units" ebuild that installs all available units files for systemd users? "The overhead of the files' presence is trivial, and most systemd users won't care". The thread title says it all... normal Gentoo users don&#

Re: [gentoo-dev] Making systemd more accessible to "normal" users

2013-05-08 Thread Walter Dnes
ng. Wouldn't the "systemd" USE flag be the appropriate one to key on? The description in /usr/portage/profiles/use.desc says... systemd - Enable use of systemd-specific libraries and features like socket activation or session tracking Surely, units files qualify as "systemd-specif

Re: [gentoo-dev] GNOME migrating from GConf to GSettings; effects on Gentoo?

2013-05-01 Thread Walter Dnes
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 09:22:56AM -0400, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote > On Wed, 2013-05-01 at 04:19 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > > I think I just realized what this means. I run ICEWM, not GNOME. > > GNUMERIC and ABIWORWD and GIMP are the 3 GNOME apps that I use a lot. > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] GNOME migrating from GConf to GSettings; effects on Gentoo?

2013-05-01 Thread Walter Dnes
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 12:10:33AM -0400, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote > On Tue, 2013-04-30 at 23:26 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:17:35PM -0400, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote > > > > > It impacts users who use stable keywords and are therefore stu

Re: [gentoo-dev] GNOME migrating from GConf to GSettings; effects on Gentoo?

2013-04-30 Thread Walter Dnes
t; attention from us than the theoretically stable GNOME-2.32). > > And the real solution is to finally stabilize some release of GNOME-3.x Thanks for the info. I didn't realize that stable was that far behind. Now to see how much I have to keyword. -- Walter Dnes I don't r

[gentoo-dev] GNOME migrating from GConf to GSettings; effects on Gentoo?

2013-04-30 Thread Walter Dnes
bad eclass See also http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/user/271860 where I got involved. As I said before, this looks like it'll hit a lot of GNOME-related apps, and is going to take a co-ordinated effort of some sort. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: oldnet scripts splitting out from OpenRC

2013-04-24 Thread Walter Dnes
s, maybe we need a "virtual/net" as part of the system set, which can be satisfied by either oldnet or newnet or whatever. The install ISO will have a basic working network stack (IPV4+IPV6). After the initial install, the admin can do whatever. Maybe even invoke package.provided. --

Re: [gentoo-dev] FYI: libpng16 won't be able to show some broken icons libpng15 was still able to

2013-04-23 Thread Walter Dnes
;random runtime failures" may be in order. At the very least, it will let end users know who to report the problem to. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Request of news item review: 2013-03-29-udev-predictable-network-interface-names.en.txt

2013-03-31 Thread Walter Dnes
reflect the new names. At least the following search is suggested... grep -rl eth[0-9] /etc /var/lib Also any custom firewall/routing/network scripts in other locations should be searched for references to eth[0-9]. ======= -- Wa

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Request of news item review: 2013-03-29-udev-predictable-network-interface-names.en.txt

2013-03-29 Thread Walter Dnes
f It's an app, but may require changes. * /etc/rc.conf Is going to have to be modified by users. "Fun" for users, and app upstreams. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] New install isos needed

2013-03-24 Thread Walter Dnes
e a USB stick. I tried to set up my netbook as... IP address 192.168.123.252 netmask 255.255.255.248 (YES!) broadcast 192.168.123.255 default gateway 192.168.123.254 It failed, and I ended up with an address in the 169.254.xxx.xxx range. Typing in the manual "ifconfig" and "route" commands worked, so I went on and ignored the problem. A newer Gentoo user, e.g. me a few years ago, might have given up. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] maintainer-wanted: x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers

2013-03-05 Thread Walter Dnes
On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 04:47:09PM +0800, Greg KH wrote > On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 02:01:31AM -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 03:44:33PM -0100, Carlos Silva wrote > > > On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > > > > > > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] maintainer-wanted: x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers

2013-03-04 Thread Walter Dnes
On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 03:44:33PM -0100, Carlos Silva wrote > On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > > > I'm not a C programmer, let alone a developer, so this may be a stupid > > question, but here goes... has anyone ever tried doing a HAL (Hardware &g

Re: [gentoo-dev] maintainer-wanted: x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers

2013-03-04 Thread Walter Dnes
t; that the kernel exposes directly. Surely, we can do better than VESA. Give drivers 2 options... 1) direct kernel access like now 2) access via the HAL/shim -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: How a proper server profile should look like

2013-01-22 Thread Walter Dnes
#x27;s USE-flags > listed. (I know I can find them elsewhere, but it would still be > convenient for me.) Maybe a note in the install docs to run... emerge --info | grep "^USE" -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: How a proper server profile should look like

2013-01-21 Thread Walter Dnes
applications. We may simply have to admit that we can't please everybody. I suggest a "minimal" profile instead. It would boot to a text console, and have networking and portage, allowing you to build further. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: How a proper server profile should look like

2013-01-21 Thread Walter Dnes
mit that "one size does not fit all". There are just too many individual scenarios. A truly minimal build should be sufficient to boot to a text console, and have networking and portage to be able to build further up the chain. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: How a proper server profile should look like (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] removing the server profiles...)

2013-01-19 Thread Walter Dnes
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 07:09:29AM -0500, Michael Mol wrote > On Jan 17, 2013 3:35 AM, "Dirkjan Ochtman" wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:23 AM, Walter Dnes > wrote: > > > If someone wants a *REALLY* basic system, they can start off with > &g

Re: How a proper server profile should look like (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] removing the server profiles...)

2013-01-16 Thread Walter Dnes
they can start off with USE="-*" and add on stuff as necessary when portage complains and/or ebuilds break. That's what I'd recommend to someone wanting to set up a "basic server" machine. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

[gentoo-dev] USE flag "suid" in both use.desc and use.local.desc

2012-12-30 Thread Walter Dnes
on my netbook, and I was able to Google the solution on my desktop machine... http://en.spontex.org/forum/thread/561/1/ I'm posting a heads up on the user list. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] Defaulting for debug information in profiles

2012-12-17 Thread Walter Dnes
tables -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables" CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}" See http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.busybox/36695 for why I include "-fno-unwind-tables -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables". Would I have to rebuild system and world without... -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-unwind-tables -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables ...to have debug data available? -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: eudev project announcement

2012-12-15 Thread Walter Dnes
ot a udev-181 or higher system with a separate /usr, and no intrd/initramfs, I'm sure a lot of people would be very interested in knowing how. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: eudev project announcement

2012-12-15 Thread Walter Dnes
On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 07:21:21AM +, Duncan wrote > Walter Dnes posted on Sat, 15 Dec 2012 01:33:04 -0500 as excerpted: > > > [Udev-systemd has] essentially announced ahead of time that most bugs > > from non-systemd users would be closed with WONTFIX. > &g

Re: [gentoo-dev] eudev project announcement

2012-12-14 Thread Walter Dnes
with WONTFIX. Actually, for political reasons, I hope that eudev does submit a bunch bugs+patches, and gets them rejected. Then whenever anyone complains about not sharing code, show them a bunch of WONTFIX emails from systemd/udev maintainers. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] borked release media

2012-12-10 Thread Walter Dnes
to do so (it's > published already, we are working on getting it signed by the needed > Microsoft keys right now.) He's already done the heavy lifting. Aren't you re-inventing the wheel? -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] borked release media

2012-12-10 Thread Walter Dnes
> sdb being your removable device. Also keep in mind that any data on > sdb will be wiped after running the dd command. Thanks. Much easier than the instructions on the Gentoo wiki. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] borked release media

2012-12-08 Thread Walter Dnes
-bootable (CD / USB-key) image as a standard feature. In addition to installation, it would make the base of a good system rescue utility. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Defaulting desktop profiles to net-nds/openldap[minimal]

2012-12-02 Thread Walter Dnes
ct on news items would have no hiccups at all. Those who miss it would have a one-time inconvenience, but at least their systems wouldn't be "automagically" screwed up. -- Walter Dnes

Re: [gentoo-dev] Lastrites: net-proxy/paros, net-misc/ups-monitor, app-emulation/mol, net-wireless/fsam7400, net-wireless/acx, net-wireless/acx-firmware, net-wireless/linux-wlan-ng-modules, net-wirele

2012-11-30 Thread Walter Dnes
ile. I found out via Google that setting aside some ram for the video noticably improves video performance. The netbook can now play 1080p HD Youtube videos in the "large player". Not fullscreen. Before this, 1080p would stutter badly, even in Youtube's "small player". -- Walter Dnes

Re: [gentoo-dev] Lastrites: net-proxy/paros, net-misc/ups-monitor, app-emulation/mol, net-wireless/fsam7400, net-wireless/acx, net-wireless/acx-firmware, net-wireless/linux-wlan-ng-modules, net-wirele

2012-11-28 Thread Walter Dnes
vast majority of hits either had links to https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Poulsbo (the Arch Linux wiki) or else copied large portions of that page. I followed their instructions, but it did not help. I'll do some more testing first, to see if I can narrow down the bug. -- Walter Dnes

Re: [gentoo-dev] Lastrites: net-proxy/paros, net-misc/ups-monitor, app-emulation/mol, net-wireless/fsam7400, net-wireless/acx, net-wireless/acx-firmware, net-wireless/linux-wlan-ng-modules, net-wirele

2012-11-27 Thread Walter Dnes
/blog.bodhizazen.net/linux/ubuntu-12-04-gma500-poulsbo-boot-options/ for more Poulsbo-specific tweaking. -- Walter Dnes

Re: [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat

2012-11-26 Thread Walter Dnes
sabout following the same procedure as when xpdf was dropped? I vaguely remember "emerge --update --deep world" stopping with a message that xpdf was being dropped, and also a few alternatives were suggested in the message. -- Walter Dnes

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