Re: [gentoo-dev] maintainer-wanted buglist needs attention

2005-11-03 Thread Norguhtar
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: 103436: net-?/nnfc-0.8.1.ebuild (New Package) I'm can mantain this package. I'm added this :) -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

[gentoo-dev] Themes for Webapplication

2005-11-03 Thread Rene Zbinden
I am writing an eubild for an webapplication (wiki) and there are a lot of themes available. I write an ebuild for these themes. Now my question is where do I install these themes so that webapp-config handles them correctly. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-11-03 Thread Nathan L. Adams
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Grant Goodyear wrote: > Nathan L. Adams wrote: [Thu Nov 03 2005, 07:02:58PM CST] > >>-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >>Hash: SHA1 >> >>Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >> >>>Read the list of requirements in the GLEP. The plain text solution >>>meets all of t

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-11-03 Thread Nathan L. Adams
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lance Albertson wrote: > Nathan L. Adams wrote: > > >>*ALL* of the official docs are GuideXML; Gentoo *expects* users to have >>a web browser by default. Otherwise a vast majority of users would never >>get Gentoo installed in the first place. The "l

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-11-03 Thread Qian Qiao
On 11/4/05, Nathan L. Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And as a long time developer, I'm sure you represent the typical user... Well, I'm a normal user here, and I can install gentoo quite easily without reading the documentation. it's dead simple: prepare the disks -> get the stage tarballs ->

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-11-03 Thread Luis F. Araujo
Nathan L. Adams wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stephen P. Becker wrote: So you installed your server without reading *any* documenation? (Don't lie). And you expect that the average user installs a Gentoo server without at least referencing the documentation? Pa-leaze.

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-11-03 Thread Lance Albertson
Grant Goodyear wrote: >>>| GuideXML is the standard for Gentoo docs for some damn good reasons! > > > True, but at the same time there's a reason that GLEPs can be written in > restructured text as well as guidexml. I doubt that it's accidental > that almost all GLEPs have been submitted in res

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-11-03 Thread Grant Goodyear
Nathan L. Adams wrote: [Thu Nov 03 2005, 07:02:58PM CST] > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > Read the list of requirements in the GLEP. The plain text solution > > meets all of them. XML fails on several. > > If readability isn't a requirement, your li

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-11-03 Thread Nathan L. Adams
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:36:03 -0500 "Nathan L. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | So you installed your server without reading *any* documenation? > > Actually, yes, I did. I can quite easily do installs without the > docu

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-11-03 Thread Nathan L. Adams
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stephen P. Becker wrote: > >> So you installed your server without reading *any* documenation? (Don't >> lie). And you expect that the average user installs a Gentoo server >> without at least referencing the documentation? Pa-leaze. > > > Funny, I'

Re: [gentoo-dev] Getting Important Updates To Users

2005-11-03 Thread Daniel Drake
Thierry Carrez wrote: But it's a good idea to have some kind of automatic replication of frontpage announcements to gentoo-announce and the forums, this will help getting important messages through. However, I'm not sure *all* frontpage contents should get replicated to gentoo-announce and the fo

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-11-03 Thread Nathan L. Adams
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stephen P. Becker wrote: >> *ALL* of the official docs are GuideXML; Gentoo *expects* users to have >> a web browser by default. Otherwise a vast majority of users would never >> get Gentoo installed in the first place. The "lightweight" requirement >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-11-03 Thread Lance Albertson
Nathan L. Adams wrote: > *ALL* of the official docs are GuideXML; Gentoo *expects* users to have > a web browser by default. Otherwise a vast majority of users would never > get Gentoo installed in the first place. The "lightweight" requirement > appears to just be your way of subverting the curre

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-11-03 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:41:36 -0500 "Nathan L. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | If I understand his position correctly, Ciaran doesn't want the | GuideXML version at all, which is a supremely stupid idea IMHO. Read GLEP. GLEP good. Especially the bit about interoperability with existing news so

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-11-03 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:36:03 -0500 "Nathan L. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | So you installed your server without reading *any* documenation? Actually, yes, I did. I can quite easily do installs without the documentation, as can most other people who really know how Gentoo works. | (Don't li

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-11-03 Thread Stephen P. Becker
So you installed your server without reading *any* documenation? (Don't lie). And you expect that the average user installs a Gentoo server without at least referencing the documentation? Pa-leaze. Funny, I've done three fresh installs on my various mips machines in the past couple of weeks,

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-11-03 Thread Nathan L. Adams
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brian Harring wrote: > Not necessarily the website imo, some central store where it's pushed > out to all of the locations though (which I suspect you're getting > at). I forgot to clarify one point. I'm saying that http://errata.g.o/ should be the

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-11-03 Thread Stephen P. Becker
*ALL* of the official docs are GuideXML; Gentoo *expects* users to have a web browser by default. Otherwise a vast majority of users would never get Gentoo installed in the first place. The "lightweight" requirement appears to just be your way of subverting the current documentation standards (bec

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-11-03 Thread Nathan L. Adams
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brian Harring wrote: > On Thu, Nov 03, 2005 at 08:24:27PM -0500, Nathan L. Adams wrote: > >>I'm also commenting on the part that *wrongly* states "It is not >>reasonable to expect all users to have an MTA, *web browser*, email >>client, cron daemon or

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-11-03 Thread Nathan L. Adams
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:24:27 -0500 "Nathan L. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | I'm also commenting on the part that *wrongly* states "It is not > | reasonable to expect all users to have an MTA, *web browser*, email > |

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-11-03 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Nov 03, 2005 at 08:24:27PM -0500, Nathan L. Adams wrote: > I'm also commenting on the part that *wrongly* states "It is not > reasonable to expect all users to have an MTA, *web browser*, email > client, cron daemon or text processing suite available on their system. > In particular, this m

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-11-03 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:24:27 -0500 "Nathan L. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | I'm also commenting on the part that *wrongly* states "It is not | reasonable to expect all users to have an MTA, *web browser*, email | client, cron daemon or text processing suite available on their | system. In par

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-11-03 Thread Nathan L. Adams
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:05:45 -0500 "Nathan L. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > | > On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 19:45:08 -0500 "Nathan L. Adams" > | > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | > wrote: > | > | Just keep in

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-11-03 Thread Nathan L. Adams
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:02:58 -0500 "Nathan L. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | So if you didn't want people to actually review and comment on *your* > | GLEP, why did you write: > | > | "The attached GLEP is a draft pro

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-11-03 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:05:45 -0500 "Nathan L. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | > On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 19:45:08 -0500 "Nathan L. Adams" | > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | > wrote: | > | Just keep in mind that portage is supposed to be non-interactive | > | and most users like it th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42 (Was: Getting Important Updates To Users)

2005-11-03 Thread Nathan L. Adams
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stuart Herbert wrote: > On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 14:51 -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > >>Did you specifically ask them if it is because we have different news in >>different locations? Somehow I think you're obscuring some facts to >>make your own argu

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-11-03 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:02:58 -0500 "Nathan L. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | So if you didn't want people to actually review and comment on *your* | GLEP, why did you write: | | "The attached GLEP is a draft proposal for the emerge --news thing | that's been under discussion. There are still

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-11-03 Thread Nathan L. Adams
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 19:45:08 -0500 "Nathan L. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | Just keep in mind that portage is supposed to be non-interactive and > | most users like it that way. (Although the countdown when cleaning o

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-11-03 Thread Nathan L. Adams
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 19:29:45 -0500 "Nathan L. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | Flat files can be great in certain situations. Flat files do indeed > | make the parsing trivial. However SIMPLE CODE ISN'T ALWAYS THE MOST >

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-11-03 Thread Nathan L. Adams
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Gianelloni wrote: > On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 12:26 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > >>On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 13:16:03 +0100 Thierry Carrez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>wrote: >>| For them to know about it, they need to be warned when they do their >>| "emerge

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-11-03 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 19:45:08 -0500 "Nathan L. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Just keep in mind that portage is supposed to be non-interactive and | most users like it that way. (Although the countdown when cleaning out | old packages kinda breaks that idea, but I digress.) You really should g

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-11-03 Thread Nathan L. Adams
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 14:32:47 +0100 Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | What do you mean "they aren't tied to ebuilds"? I don't really > | understand what this feature should do then, it seems. Once again, > | what's wrong w

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-11-03 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 19:29:45 -0500 "Nathan L. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Flat files can be great in certain situations. Flat files do indeed | make the parsing trivial. However SIMPLE CODE ISN'T ALWAYS THE MOST | IMPORTANT REQUIREMENT. In the case of this GLEP, the most important | require

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-11-03 Thread Nathan L. Adams
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 08:49:42 -0500 "Nathan L. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | 6. Ciaran is completely biased against XML (or anything that isn't > | stored as a simple flat file) ;) > > It's not bias. I give XML exactl

[gentoo-dev] New Translator: achumakov

2005-11-03 Thread Brian Harring
Round two; We've got a new lead russian translator, Alexey Chumakov (achumakov). Feel free to harass him, make him tell you dirty words in russian, and make 'em do a bit of work in addition. Some background info provided from him- I am 30. I was born in Kiev, Ukraine, and now live in Moscow.

[gentoo-dev] New Dev: markusle

2005-11-03 Thread Brian Harring
Hola all- Got us a new dev to harass, mentored by ribosome, and helping out in the scientific herd- quantum chemistry, and molecular dynamics packages, subjects that have have the potential to cause cereberal hemorrhaging :) In his own words- I have been part of our research group's (http://w

[gentoo-dev] Binary packages and revdep-rebuild

2005-11-03 Thread Paul Varner
One of the common complaints with revdep-rebuild is that it wants to constantly rebuild binary packages (most notably openoffice-bin). To assist in resolving this issue, I have released gentoolkit-0.2.1_pre9 which adds the capability for an ebuild maintainer to adjust how revdep-rebuild behaves tow

Re: [gentoo-dev] maintainer-wanted buglist needs attention

2005-11-03 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:40:45 +0100 Stefan Schweizer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | On 11/3/05, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > I can also give you a list of people who throw hissy fits if you | > dare suggest that their code may be anything less than perfect... | > It's a pretty useful

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42 (Was: Getting Important Updates To Users)

2005-11-03 Thread Stuart Herbert
On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 14:51 -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > Did you specifically ask them if it is because we have different news in > different locations? Somehow I think you're obscuring some facts to > make your own argument. That seems an unpleasant accusation to make :( The answer is that

Re: [gentoo-dev] maintainer-wanted buglist needs attention

2005-11-03 Thread Stefan Schweizer
On 11/3/05, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I can also give you a list of people who throw hissy fits if you dare > suggest that their code may be anything less than perfect... It's a > pretty useful starting point for filtering out the worst of the > dross... Do you have a list of pe

Re: [gentoo-dev] svk maintainer needed

2005-11-03 Thread kang
pclouds wrote: Hi, I haven't recently used svk anymore so my svk maintaining would be not good enough. Moreover, i have little time for Gentoo till i get back to Vietnam in February. Anyone interesting in maintaining svk is welcome or i will remove it two weeks later :) Cheers, -- Bi Cờ Lao

Re: [gentoo-dev] maintainer-wanted buglist needs attention

2005-11-03 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:42:51 + Tom Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | There are currently 1066 open bugs assigned to | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Could everyone please take a moment to scan through them? Here's a more useful list. It's a summary of the maintainer-wanted ebuilds which are fairly un

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-11-03 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 08:49:42 -0500 "Nathan L. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | 6. Ciaran is completely biased against XML (or anything that isn't | stored as a simple flat file) ;) It's not bias. I give XML exactly what it deserves. SGML is a giant fire breathing stomping monster useful for cru

Re: [gentoo-dev] maintainer-wanted buglist needs attention

2005-11-03 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Thursday 03 November 2005 18:06, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: > One thing I am interested would be whether or not I am allowed to add > packages like latexmk [1] to the tree although I am not a member of the > herd in charge of the respective category. As long as you maintain it on your own and

Re: [gentoo-dev] maintainer-wanted buglist needs attention

2005-11-03 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thu, Nov 03, 2005 at 06:06:24PM +0100, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: > Carsten Lohrke schrieb: > > More important would be imho, if everyone would take the time and > > have a look at the maintainer-needed bugs, instead continuously > > adding new packages while the share of unmaintained packages

Re: [gentoo-dev] maintainer-wanted buglist needs attention

2005-11-03 Thread Sebastian Bergmann
Carsten Lohrke schrieb: > More important would be imho, if everyone would take the time and > have a look at the maintainer-needed bugs, instead continuously > adding new packages while the share of unmaintained packages in the > repository grows steadily. One thing I am interested would be w

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed changes to base profile for Gentoo/ALT

2005-11-03 Thread solar
On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 13:11 +0100, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: > As I'd like to get sooner or later (better sooner) the profiles for > Gentoo/FreeBSD in main tree, I've synced the fake base profile in gentoo-alt > overlay with the one in the tree. Unfortunately there are things in base that

Re: [gentoo-dev] maintainer-wanted buglist needs attention

2005-11-03 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Thursday 03 November 2005 17:42, Tom Martin wrote: > Could everyone please take a moment to scan through them? More important would be imho, if everyone would take the time and have a look at the maintainer-needed bugs, instead continuously adding new packages while the share of unmaintained

[gentoo-dev] maintainer-wanted buglist needs attention

2005-11-03 Thread Tom Martin
List, There are currently 1066 open bugs assigned to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Could everyone please take a moment to scan through them? Thanks, -- Tom Martin, http://dev.gentoo.org/~slarti AMD64, net-mail, shell-tools, vim, recruiters Gentoo Linux pgphgySeHbeZr.pgp Description: PGP signature

[gentoo-dev] svk maintainer needed

2005-11-03 Thread pclouds
Hi, I haven't recently used svk anymore so my svk maintaining would be not good enough. Moreover, i have little time for Gentoo till i get back to Vietnam in February. Anyone interesting in maintaining svk is welcome or i will remove it two weeks later :) Cheers, -- Bi Cờ Lao -- gentoo-dev@gentoo

[gentoo-dev] X-modular on sparc.

2005-11-03 Thread Ferris McCormick
This is a random list of observations/incompatibilities/missing(?) features I have noticed after installing X-modular on three sparc systems (SB1000(2x900) kernel=2.6.13-rc3-vanilla, U60(2x450) kernel=2.6.14-U60-2x450, U2(2x400) kernel=2.4.31-sparc-r2). Some of this is repetitious, some is new. So

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-11-03 Thread pclouds
On 11/3/05, Nathan L. Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > [a reply] > > 1. Store the actual guides as GuideXML at a central place such as > http://errata.gentoo.org/ > > 2. Write a simple 'publishing' tool that extracts a

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-11-03 Thread Nathan L. Adams
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > [a reply] 1. Store the actual guides as GuideXML at a central place such as http://errata.gentoo.org/ 2. Write a simple 'publishing' tool that extracts a summary and a link. This is what gets pumped into portage and shown dur

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-11-03 Thread Nathan L. Adams
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:22:29 +0100 Jan Kundrát <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | What's wrong with XML format similar to the one that is used for our > | GLSAs? > > 1. Portage does not handle XML. Portage will not handle XML in th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Getting Important Updates To Users

2005-11-03 Thread Nathan L. Adams
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Duncan wrote: > Stuart Herbert posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > excerpted below, on Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:05:33 +: > >>The original problem is that GWN, forums, planet.g.o, gentoo-dev - even >>together, we've seen that they just don't reach enough of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Getting Important Updates To Users

2005-11-03 Thread Nathan L. Adams
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Gianelloni wrote: > On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 12:11 +0900, pclouds wrote: > >>Just curious how other distros deliver important news to their users? > > > Red Hat has you subscribe to RHN, which sends you errata based on your > installed configurat

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-11-03 Thread Jan Kundrát
On Wednesday 02 of November 2005 23:34 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > Oh? Our GuideXML to HTML conversion is thousands of lines of code... ...including stuff for detecting outdated translations, inclusion of icons for the homepage etc etc. Cheers, -jkt -- cd /local/pub && more beer > /dev/mouth pg