, and I thank
> you
> for offering this project to the ASF.
>
+1 (from the peanut gallery)
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solutely - it is very important that a project under incubation isn't
easily mistaken for a graduated project.
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o be a better fit with another pmc.
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is is a bad thing.
Very much agreed - I've been worried about the same for quite a while.
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ubator
> side. I think that no matter what, unless overruled
> by the board, the Incubator should vote.
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Absolutely! I'm surprised that this isn't the case already.
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o, but I would certainly hope that the incubator pmc will take the
project up to revision at that point - probably even after 6 months of
no apparent activity. Auto terminating after a set period would be too
harsh, but reviewing and deciding wether to continue is reasonable.
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quite a bit.
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to ditch as soon as they have the chance?
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want
to go on with something that seems to generate a lot of annoyance with
anyone but you and the forrest committers (that is based on the comments
in this thread - I see you liking forrest, and I see David and Ross
trying very har at "damage control").
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> Mads Toftum wrote:
> > the logo for Apachecon that finished more than two weeks ago
>
> Fixed the next time that David regenerates the site.
>
Whoa! so the workflow is tied to David watching for commits?
When so
lly
blows my mind. I also begin to understand part of the frustration on
Davids side for spending so much time keeping an unappreciated workflow
up and running.
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> find it offensive.
>
As I've said it before, TMC doesn't do the trick for me - plain MC
would do better to remove the Tomcat reference and eventually avoid
Apache The ...
Of the two alternatives, I think the second is the better choice.
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-1 (non-binding) - I think this proposal is too different
from our other projects to be a good fit for the ASF.
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ide the same community? code
duplication and competition between tlps? Somehow that doesn't sound
like something that should happen within the ASF - and certainly another
point in favor of Ken's suggestion of keeping it outside servicemix.
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I'm sorry, but I'll have to withdraw my offer to help mentoring this
project.
I need to focus my energy elsewhere and do not wish to spend time on
incubator in its current form - please note that it has nothing to do
with TMCg2.
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ensure that the quarterly report is provided
>to the Incubator PMC
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+1 - although I wonder if it would be worth letting new projects report
each month for the first 3 months?
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onable governor.
> - --
I think this is a good point - a project that can't raise the interest
of more than one member is likely to struggle with generating enough
interest and attracting enough of a community in the future.
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an work the standard the "apache way".
I feel it would look very much as an ASF endorsement of a standard that
we may not have any influence on at all - maybe things will look
different in a few months time, but right now I'm far from convinced.
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t to repeat it. I'm also far from convinced that we should use
the ASF name to promote this specific spec - I'd much rather give them a
while longer to prove that it is the right choice.
But, not my call - and kind of useless to object anyway because they
seem to have aquired plenty of supp
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> - The Incubator PMC sets the Mentors, who form the initial PPMC
> - The PPMC (Mentors) elects additional PPMC members
> - The PPMC elects Committers
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+1 a step in the right direction.
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something like 10 or 15 of your employees on a proposal and sidestep the
whole meritocracy issue.
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f that, that should be fixed by hitting the mentor with a
very large cluestick, not by leaving the doors open for everyone else to
abuse as they see fit.
just my $.02
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> - Sam Ruby
> - Ken Coar
> - Ian Holsman
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I don't remember seeing Ken or Sam voting or in any other way
participating - are they even aware that they're listed as mentors?
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already
happened would make it public).
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> We have settled on a final list of 12 options:
>
It is a shame that the Jini name couldn't be carried over.
Just my $.02
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non-incubator projects) onto the list without much fuss, but that's
different from opening the gates to everyone, will get roughly as many
people committing on the project and doesn't have the same avenues for
abuse as your position.
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stand and agree with our
> moving to apache and want to participate
>
> We ended up with a smaller list of committers, but actually got some
> old committers active again, so that was a big plus.
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+1 especially if this is carried out _before_ the proposal
podling will be quick to get a vote going and the formality in
place.
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e years turn up to get accounts...
If you _really_ want to add this extra backdoor, then at least make it a
requirement that every bloody name has to be on the proposal and make
this backdoor expire at the end of incubation.
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so that it is impossible to guess what a project is (that's hard
enough as it is already).
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opensourcing java - sure, it shouldn't affect Harmony directly, but on
the other hand I see a risk there (not great, but they may surprise us).
Just my EUR.02s worth on non-binding -1.
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On Wed, Oct 18, 2006 at 07:10:37PM +0200, Mads Toftum wrote:
> On the surface everything appears fine to the point of graduating minus
> the proving that you can do a release. But given past experiences with
> graduating large projects too fast, I'd be much in favor of keepin
t in the case of Harmony specifically, I
find the pushing for a release nothing more than delay tactics (a delay
I wouldn't object to, but a release in itself seems rather pointless at
this time).
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take the thought about historical parallels
any further.
I'm sorry for the ranting, but I get very annoyed when someone tries to
prune out voters up front that may not have the "right" opinions. I'm
sure that it wasn't th
stly,
Simple solution - stop accepting so many projects / code dumps that
there's no way to keep up.
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ects that is currently
being brought in here and the way it is done, and to be honest I think
it is getting considerably worse.
And that's the last bit I have to say before unsubscribing.
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