Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Berin Lautenbach wrote: ... I note that at the moment we have reserved the right for the Incubator PMC to vote if so desired. Does everyone think we should remove that potential out of the policy? I think so now. It should not be of our business to challenge the deci

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

Berin Lautenbach wrote: ... I note that at the moment we have reserved the right for the Incubator PMC to vote if so desired. Does everyone think we should remove that potential out of the policy? I think so now. It should not be of our business to challenge the decisions of other PMCs. If an e

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

Noel J. Bergman wrote: Rodney Waldhoff wrote: The notion of automatically accepting projects already accepted by a sponsor seems like a good one. It's not very clear from the process docs that this is the case. As said before, the docs are in need of a major overhaul. Hopefully, somewhere in t

Re: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

Rodney Waldhoff wrote: ... Hosting the Axion site under incubator.apache.org means that Axion will need to set up a different site generation and publication process than the one it will use once it is part of the DB project. > These processes will need to be replaced/reworked once Axion is promote

RE: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > Rodney Waldhoff wrote: > > > I am as interested in making Axion's incubation status clear as you are. > > > Some sort of "incubation status" notice [or logo] > > You mean like http://incubator.apache.org/images/apache-incubator-logo.png, > along with a

Re: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

If this isn't constructive criticism, I don't know what is. Axion was told one thing, and now that incubation time has arrive, they're being told another. That's the critical part. I think we should honor the original plan of incubation. That's the constructive part. I don't believe for a secon

RE: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

--- "Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Morgan Delagrange wrote: > > Let's not pull a bait-and-switch. > > Considering that we're trying to work with axion, > and all projects, to > minimize the effort required, let's keep the > discussion constructive, shall > we? :-) > > ---

RE: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

Morgan Delagrange wrote: > Axion specifically asked for assurance that they would be > incubated at their final destination. They received that > assurance in the db.apache.org proposal and from you > personally as a member of the Incubator PMC To quote myself from that message: Axion: > > Is it

RE: [RESULT][VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

Martin Cooper: > Noel J. Bergman: > > I see RT used on a few lists, I don't consider RT to convey a useful > > semantic. > The first time I saw RT was in a message from Sam (Ruby) on the Gump list, > where he expanded it as "Random Thought", meaning something along the lines > of "I just had an id

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

"Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Rodney Waldhoff wrote: > > I don't know what "AISI" stands for, but the way. > > For that matter, what's RT stand for in [RT]? > > AISI == As I See It > RT == Random Topic > > I see RT used on a few lists, I don't c

RE: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

--- "Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rodney Waldhoff wrote: > > > If we can table the future location of other incubating projects for a moment, I'm kind of irked that you clipped what I consider to be Rod's most important point concerning Axion's incubation. Axion specifically

RE: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

Rodney Waldhoff wrote: > This notion of "quit asking for special treatment" would carry more weight > if this would make Axion an exception among incubating projects. The idea that no project should be grandfathered is not one of your stronger arguments. :-) > No one is saying "take it easie

RE: [RESULT][VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

Rodney Waldhoff wrote: > Noel J. Bergman wrote: > AISI, the reason there was no summary is that the vote was halted on the > grounds that it was improper. Because DB had already voted to accept the > project, the Incubator does not vote to accept it (ballot 1). If you want > to view ballot 2 as a

RE: [RESULT][VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > Rodney Waldhoff wrote: > > > I've noticed that a disturbing number of VOTE threads on this list never > > have a corresponding RESULT summary, so here's the result for the vote I > > recently called: > > AISI, the reason there was no summary is that th

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

Actually I think 72 hours have to pass after my nomination is recognized by a Board member (or something like that). So, I have a few more days until I'm officially recognized by the Board. --- Rodney Waldhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As I understand >

RE: [RESULT][VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

Rodney Waldhoff wrote: > I've noticed that a disturbing number of VOTE threads on this list never > have a corresponding RESULT summary, so here's the result for the vote I > recently called: AISI, the reason there was no summary is that the vote was halted on the grounds that it was improper. B

[RESULT][VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

I've noticed that a disturbing number of VOTE threads on this list never have a corresponding RESULT summary, so here's the result for the vote I recently called: "Ballot 1: Accept Axion for incubation" passes with at least 5 binding +1s (Noel Bergman, Davanum Srinivas, Greg Stein, Nicola Ken Baro

Re: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 08:35:47 -0800 (PST) Rodney Waldhoff wrote: > Immediately jumping to a "because I said so" response, while > potentially binding, isn't especially inviting, and quite frankly, is > contrary to the "apache way" we're promising to nuture > (

Re: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: > *Every* project comes here saying "well, but I'm different, I don't need > this and that, come on, take it easier on me". So in the end, they are > not different at all in this ;-) Without trying to be flippant, I'd urge you to consider the possibl

RE: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

On a related note, consider the impact this has on search engines and other robots. The suggestion to use http://db.apache.org/axion as the normative URL, and use an .htaccess based redirect to point those URLs to http://incubator.apache.org/ creates a fairly subtle difference to the human reader,

RE: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

Allow me to expound upon one of the issues this raises just a little bit, to help you see where this concern is coming from. The Apache DB project has a single, unified site build: a single (Maven/Reactor) process builds both the top level web site and the sites of the three existing subprojects.

Re: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

Rodney Waldhoff wrote: ... I understand the way .htaccess works. I would still suggest this isn't quite "transparent". There is a reason why we want incubating projects to be published under the incubator URL, and this reason has come out of the current incubations that do not have this rule.

RE: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

On Mon, 22 Dec 2003, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > Ceki Gülcü wrote: > > Rodney Waldhoff wrote: > > > My concern isn't the difficulty of copying files from one directory to > > > another. It is pointing an exisiting user, developer and google-bot > > > community from http://axion.tigris.org, then to >

RE: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

Ceki Gülcü wrote: > Rodney Waldhoff wrote: > > My concern isn't the difficulty of copying files from one directory to > > another. It is pointing an exisiting user, developer and google-bot > > community from http://axion.tigris.org, then to > > http://incubator.apache.org/axion, then to http://db

RE: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

I am also worried about the point raised by Rodney. At 11:41 AM 12/22/2003 -0800, Rodney Waldhoff wrote: My concern isn't the difficulty of copying files from one directory to another. It is pointing an exisiting user, developer and google-bot community from http://axion.tigris.org, then to htt

RE: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

My concern isn't the difficulty of copying files from one directory to another. It is pointing an exisiting user, developer and google-bot community from http://axion.tigris.org, then to http://incubator.apache.org/axion, then to http://db.apache.org/axion, all in a matter of weeks. What does all

RE: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

Rodney Waldhoff wrote: > Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: > > In other words: > >http://incubator.apache.org/axion > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >db-axion CVS > I'm confused. Why is Axion different from: > http://ws.apache.org/wsrp4j/ > http://ws.apache.org/jaxme/ >

Re: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

I'm confused. Why is Axion different from: http://ws.apache.org/wsrp4j/ http://ws.apache.org/jaxme/ http://jakarta.apache.org/pluto/ http://xml.apache.org/xmlbeans/ especially in light of the accepted proposal which explictly states http://db.apache.org/axion? I thought we had previousl

Re: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

Rodney Waldhoff wrote: Ok, great, thanks Nicola. I had assumed, based upon both the exsiting incubator documenation and a number of discussions, that Axion would be set up at: http://db.apache.org/axion [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] etc. Indeed that is what was proposed, since it's consi

Re: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

Ok, great, thanks Nicola. I had assumed, based upon both the exsiting incubator documenation and a number of discussions, that Axion would be set up at: http://db.apache.org/axion [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] etc. Indeed that is what was proposed, since it's considered a bit of hassle

Re: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

Rodney Waldhoff wrote: The Axion Database project has voted to become a part of the Apache DB project, and the DB PMC has accepted that proposal. (See below for the proposal and additional information.) [ X ] +1 Accept the Axion for incubation. [ ] 0 Abstain [ ] -1 Reject Axion for incubation, I

Re: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

Jochen Wiedmann wrote: ... However, I wonder when and how it will impact the former? I have edited the jaxme.cwiki file yesterday and it doesn't seem to have any impact on the HTML page. ATM it's published manually, so if you don't publish it, it will go live when someone else does. In the meant

Re: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

Jason van Zyl wrote: The axion status page: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/axion.html http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/incubator/site/projects/axion.cwiki?view=markup What is that exactly? A wiki page? Do you have that in the form of a text file and I will edit that now. Plus make some su

Re: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

Jason van Zyl wrote: ... http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/incubator/site/projects/axion.cwiki?view=markup What is that exactly? A wiki page? > Do you have that in the form of a text file and I will edit that now. Check out the incubator CVS (as suggested by the above link). It's a text file of t

Re: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

On Fri, 2003-12-19 at 11:10, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: > Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: > ... > > My point was to get this going > > Right on +1 > > I have added these to incubator and incubator-site: > dlr,dsale,geirm,jstrachan,jvanzyl,morgand,mpoeschl,rwaldhoff > > I have added the axion status

Re: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: ... My point was to get this going Right on +1 I have added these to incubator and incubator-site: dlr,dsale,geirm,jstrachan,jvanzyl,morgand,mpoeschl,rwaldhoff I have added the axion status page template and published the site. The index page: http://incubator.apache.

Re: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

On Dec 19, 2003, at 2:58 AM, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: ... Do we have to vote on that as a proposal, or can we move forward with it to test it to see if Jason's is right about endless process? I suggest we try it. Who would fill in the status page? Anyone. Why do you thi

Re: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

Roy T. Fielding wrote: ... Jason, incubator does not DO things for the project when it is destined for an existing PMC. The people who are working on the project are supposed to record their own status, answer the status questions to the extent they can do so, ask about any issues that have not b

Re: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: ... Do we have to vote on that as a proposal, or can we move forward with it to test it to see if Jason's is right about endless process? I suggest we try it. Who would fill in the status page? Anyone. Why do you think that *all* incubating project committers have acce

RE: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

Roy T. Fielding wrote: > Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > We need to finish voting here, but in the meantime go ahead and fill > > out a new copy as axion.cwiki. When the vote passes, we will make > > sure that you and/or the DB PMC Chair has karma for the CVS module > > to check it in. Then the PPMC c

Re: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

We need to finish voting here, but in the meantime go ahead and fill out a new copy as axion.cwiki. When the vote passes, we will make sure that you and/or the DB PMC Chair has karma for the CVS module to check it in. Then the PPMC can review it, and if there are no issues, we can probably ho

RE: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

Rodney, The website needs to be updated, but here are the basics, as I understand them: - A PPMC is a working group consisting of the Incubator PMC, project committers, and destination PMC if any. The idea of a shephard or mentor is subsumed within the PPMC by the PMC members who take

RE: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: > Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > my idea is that we would use [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > (with or without projects-ppmc@) for most projects like > > Axion that have a well-defined destination, a community, > > and are expected to sail through. We need to complete a > > STATUS page,

Re: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

On Thu, 2003-12-18 at 14:27, Greg Stein wrote: > On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 01:22:04PM -0500, Jason van Zyl wrote: > >... > > I don't want people nobody knows to walk in and become an officer of the > > board but someone has to know these people coming in. Ultimately we are > > Have a little more fai

RE: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

Jason van Zyl wrote: > Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > Jason van Zyl wrote: > > > Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > > > > The Incubator is a morass and big hinderance to getting anything done. > > > > Is there a fee for this troll? > > > See it as you like, the Incubator doesn't work, plain and simple. > > By

Re: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

On Dec 18, 2003, at 2:02 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Now ... if you want to stop hand waving, and get down to brass tacks, my idea is that we would use [EMAIL PROTECTED] (with or without projects-ppmc@) for most projects like Axion that have a well-defined destination, a community, and are expecte

Re: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 01:22:04PM -0500, Jason van Zyl wrote: >... > I don't want people nobody knows to walk in and become an officer of the > board but someone has to know these people coming in. Ultimately we are Have a little more faith in the Board than that, please. We're just as concerned

RE: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

On Thu, 2003-12-18 at 14:02, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > Jason van Zyl wrote: > > Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > > > The Incubator is a morass and big hinderance to getting anything done. > > > Is there a fee for this troll? > > See it as you like, the Incubator doesn't work, plain and simple. > > By the

Re: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Greg Stein wrote: > The Board spoke about this topic for nearly 45 minutes yesterday at our > Board meeting. We started to come up with some guidelines for when a > project needs incubation, or when a PMC can directly handle it itself. We > need to work through that on the Boa

RE: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

Jason van Zyl wrote: > Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > > The Incubator is a morass and big hinderance to getting anything done. > > Is there a fee for this troll? > See it as you like, the Incubator doesn't work, plain and simple. By the same logic, neither does anything that wasn't born fully function

Re: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 12:47:05PM -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > Ballot 1: > > The Axion Database project has voted to become a part of the Apache DB > project, and the DB PMC has accepted that proposal. (See belo

RE: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

On Thu, 2003-12-18 at 13:26, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > The Incubator is a morass and big hinderance to getting anything done. > > Is there a fee for this troll? See it as you like, the Incubator doesn't work, plain and simple. > The Incubator re-organization around the PPMC concept provides di

Re: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 12:57:51PM -0500, Jason van Zyl wrote: > On Thu, 2003-12-18 at 11:28, Rodney Waldhoff wrote: > > > > Ballot 2: > > > > Since Axion is to be a sub-project of the Apache DB project and is > > cur

RE: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

> The Incubator is a morass and big hinderance to getting anything done. Is there a fee for this troll? The Incubator re-organization around the PPMC concept provides direct oversight between the Incubator PMC, the project's developers, and (in this case), the DB PMC. There is no reason for any

Re: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

On Thu, 2003-12-18 at 13:14, Sander Striker wrote: > On Thu, 2003-12-18 at 18:57, Jason van Zyl wrote: > > On Thu, 2003-12-18 at 11:28, Rodney Waldhoff wrote: > > > > > > > > Ballot 2: > > > > > > Since Axion is to b

Re: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

On Thu, 2003-12-18 at 18:57, Jason van Zyl wrote: > On Thu, 2003-12-18 at 11:28, Rodney Waldhoff wrote: > > > > > Ballot 2: > > > > Since Axion is to be a sub-project of the Apache DB project and is > > currently com

Re: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

On Thu, 2003-12-18 at 11:28, Rodney Waldhoff wrote: > > Ballot 2: > > Since Axion is to be a sub-project of the Apache DB project and is > currently comprised of long standing ASF members and committers, and since >

RE: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

Ballot 1: [X] +1 Accept the Axion for incubation. [ ] 0 Abstain [ ] -1 Reject Axion for incubation Thanks, dims --- "Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ballot 1: > > The Axion Database project has vote

RE: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

Ballot 1: The Axion Database project has voted to become a part of the Apache DB project, and the DB PMC has accepted that proposal. (See below for the proposal and additional information.) [X] +1 Accept the Axion f

[VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

Since that first post hasn't drawn any response in over a week, let me try this again, this time under a VOTE thread, and with an alternative in light of the recent discussion: Ballot 1: The Axion Database project ha

request for incubation: axion database project

The Axion Database project [1] has voted to become a part of the Apache DB project [2] and submitted a proposal [3] to the DB PMC to this effect. The Apache DB project has accepted this proposal [4] and Morgan Delegrange, an ASF member and Axion committer, has volunteered [5] to act as the incubat