Re: Release vote thresholds

2013-12-08 Thread Dave Fisher
On Dec 5, 2013, at 7:26 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: >> I am only comfortable allowing singular IPMC votes from members of the ASF. >> I think the IPMC owes this much to the other members of the Foundation. > > I've now contemplated this condi

Re: Release vote thresholds

2013-12-05 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > I am only comfortable allowing singular IPMC votes from members of the ASF. > I think the IPMC owes this much to the other members of the Foundation. I've now contemplated this condition for a few days and while I'm prepared to accept it for t

Re: Release vote thresholds

2013-12-01 Thread Dave Fisher
On Nov 27, 2013, at 2:41 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Marvin Humphrey > wrote: >> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: >> >>> I am not sure that this is a step in the correct direction. >> >> Dave, I'm sure you realize that your opposition is d

Re: Release vote thresholds

2013-11-27 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > >> I am not sure that this is a step in the correct direction. > > Dave, I'm sure you realize that your opposition is deeply disapointing to a > number of us, when we seem so close. > >

Re: Release vote thresholds

2013-11-26 Thread Sergio Fernández
+1 from my experience in the other side of the business the first release is the actual challenge for a podling all your learned there will be applied in new releases On 26/11/13 00:29, Marvin Humphrey wrote: On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 12:46 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: This would provide good

Re: Release vote thresholds

2013-11-25 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 12:46 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > This would provide good oversight, while helping educate the PPMC > members and keep a good record of the release requirements that other > podlings can use as examples. And make sure people's +1s are based on > something tangible and

Re: Release vote thresholds

2013-11-25 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 7:09 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > ...Ant, you proposed a minimum of one IPMC vote for each release: ... > How about simply changing the rules for Incubator releases so that they > don't require at least three binding votes, but instead make it at least > three v

Re: Release vote thresholds

2013-11-24 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 12:30 AM, ant elder wrote: > Do these sort of experiments really need consensus? Ultimately, no. Roy's message at indicates that the IPMC can set policy as to how releases are approved. We would do so by modifying this section of our policy docu

Re: Release vote thresholds

2013-11-24 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 12:26 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > There are legal reasons for requiring three binding votes. Any change > to this would need to fully understand those reasons We're in the clear. See this message from Roy: http://s.apache.org/yPX I believe that suffices on its own. If

Re: [OT] Release vote thresholds

2013-11-23 Thread Upayavira
Currently listed at 180+. Upayavira On Sat, Nov 23, 2013, at 10:17 AM, Sergio Fernández wrote: > On 23/11/13 09:30, ant elder wrote: > > (...) The Incubator PMC is so big and diverse now (...) > > Sorry, off-topic, but interesting for me to get a better understanding > of the conflict is being

Re: [OT] Release vote thresholds

2013-11-23 Thread Sergio Fernández
On 23/11/13 09:30, ant elder wrote: (...) The Incubator PMC is so big and diverse now (...) Sorry, off-topic, but interesting for me to get a better understanding of the conflict is being discussing: how bit is the Incubator PMC right now? Because I only see a group of about 20-30 people dis

Re: Release vote thresholds

2013-11-23 Thread ant elder
Do these sort of experiments really need consensus? The Incubator PMC is so big and diverse now it makes getting consensus on some things all most impossible, after the change a little while back we don't even need consensus for voting in new Incubator PMC members now. ...ant On Sat, Nov 23, 2

RE: Release vote thresholds

2013-11-23 Thread Ross Gardler
13 16:45 To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Release vote thresholds On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > I am not sure that this is a step in the correct direction. Dave, I'm sure you realize that your opposition is deeply disapointing to a number of us, when we seem

Re: Release vote thresholds

2013-11-22 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > I am not sure that this is a step in the correct direction. Dave, I'm sure you realize that your opposition is deeply disapointing to a number of us, when we seem so close. I will work with you to see if we can build what you are currently c

Re: Release vote thresholds

2013-11-22 Thread Dave Fisher
On Nov 22, 2013, at 1:09 AM, ant elder wrote: > On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Marvin Humphrey > wrote: >> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 12:33 AM, ant elder wrote: >>> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 1:53 AM, Marvin Humphrey >>> wrote: >>> I think this is getting too hung up on vetting releases is the be

Re: Release vote thresholds

2013-11-22 Thread ant elder
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 12:33 AM, ant elder wrote: >> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 1:53 AM, Marvin Humphrey >> wrote: >> I think this is getting too hung up on vetting releases is the be all and >> end all of PMC membership when really there a

Release vote thresholds

2013-11-21 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 12:33 AM, ant elder wrote: > On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 1:53 AM, Marvin Humphrey > wrote: > I think this is getting too hung up on vetting releases is the be all and > end all of PMC membership when really there are other just as if not more > important things. Let's say we