> No... Knowing Noel, he was not opening anything. He was speaking to
> general principles about how the Incubator works.
+1
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On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 04:34, Doug Meil wrote:
> re: "overlap"
>
> This is the "there are multiple webservers in ASF" counter-argument -
> except that ones that exist are in two different languages (Apache WS and
> Tomcat). The point I made in my email is that if a 3rd webserver showed
> up tha
Doug,
As Greg and others have pointed out, none of this really matters, but since,
you did ask for some examples, I can think of two immediately:
1) As Dim's pointed out, when CXF entered the incubator, it obviously
conflicted directly with Axis2. Many ideas were the same. Many of the
goa
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 22:34, Doug Meil wrote:
>
> Hi there-
>
> I thought the email chain prompted by my questions had a gracious and
> productive ending several days ago, but if you would like to start this up
> again, ok.
No... Knowing Noel, he was not opening anything. He was speaking to
gen
Hi there-
I thought the email chain prompted by my questions had a gracious and
productive ending several days ago, but if you would like to start this up
again, ok.
re: "turf is being infringed"
It's funny that you said that, because according to the other emails on
Accumulo in the past week
Doug Meil wrote:
> I think that the ASF and ASF incubator leadership should consider it a
> priority to foster such communication.
We do. I, in particular, tend to do it --- and have on occassion been
criticized for trying to foster project collaboration and/or merger.
BUT ...
The Incubator do
Thanks Phil, much appreciated.
On 9/7/11 12:19 PM, "Phillip Rhodes" wrote:
>> I think that the ASF and ASF incubator leadership should consider it a
>> priority to foster such communication. And this means asking the
>> questions I asked before, e.g,. "you guys are trying to do the same
>>
Sounds great!
-- dims
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 5:21 PM, Billie J Rinaldi
wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 7, 2011 4:14:26 PM, Stack wrote:
>> From my perspective, that is more the case though your second sentence
>> above comes across as a setup for our not integrating.
>
> How about this?
> "It
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Billie J Rinaldi
wrote:
> How about this?
> "It may be possible to incorporate the desired features of Accumulo into
> HBase. However, the amount of work required would slow development of HBase
> and Accumulo considerably. We believe this warrants a podling for
On Wednesday, September 7, 2011 4:14:26 PM, Stack wrote:
> From my perspective, that is more the case though your second sentence
> above comes across as a setup for our not integrating.
How about this?
"It may be possible to incorporate the desired features of Accumulo into HBase.
However, the
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> Folks,
>
> A bit of back story of a slightly similar situation before. We have
> had Axis/Axis2 projects in Apache for a long time and along came the
> XFire proposal (http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/CeltiXfireProposal)
> and we had the sa
Folks,
A bit of back story of a slightly similar situation before. We have
had Axis/Axis2 projects in Apache for a long time and along came the
XFire proposal (http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/CeltiXfireProposal)
and we had the same kind of discussions as i see here.
Flash forward, Both Axis2 and
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Billie J Rinaldi
wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 7, 2011 1:34:20 PM, Stack wrote:
>
>> I agree w/ Doug that 'unlikely to' is not a correct characterization.
>
> Would the following alteration be more accurate?
> "It may be possible to incorporate the desired feat
On Wednesday, September 7, 2011 1:34:20 PM, Stack wrote:
> I agree w/ Doug that 'unlikely to' is not a correct characterization.
Would the following alteration be more accurate?
"It may be possible to incorporate the desired features of Accumulo into HBase.
However, the amount of work requir
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 7:41 PM, Adam P Fuchs wrote:
> ...Furthermore, I believe that having both projects be part of ASF gives us
> more of an opportunity to collaborate going forwards. Whether we find that
> there are enough competing ideas to support two top level projects, or
> whether we en
> I think that the ASF and ASF incubator leadership should consider it a
> priority to foster such communication. And this means asking the
> questions I asked before, e.g,. "you guys are trying to do the same thing
> as... Have you talked them?" Consider it "Open-Source Project
> Parenting."
Thanks for the feedback folks.
I would caution that it is not possible to simultaneously optimize for
both of these goals...
1) Community over code
2) Competition is good
... as both will be lost. Particularly where the latter contains the
absence of inter-project communication, and competit
+1 to that. Holy smokes, that second one really sucked. :-)
On 9/7/11 8:55 AM, "Shane Curcuru" wrote:
>On 9/6/2011 9:56 PM, Doug Meil wrote:
>>
>> Re: "Highlander"
>>
>> Greatest movie ever.
>
>Don't forget the sequel!
>
>"Highlander: There Should Have Been Only One"
>
>
>But in term
On 9/6/2011 9:56 PM, Doug Meil wrote:
Re: "Highlander"
Greatest movie ever.
Don't forget the sequel!
"Highlander: There Should Have Been Only One"
But in terms of incubator proposals, technical competition is fine.
- Shane
On 9/6/2011 10:07 PM, Doug Meil wrote:
...snip...
I'll let the other HBase team members speak for themselves, but my request
to ASF is that if somebody proposes something that nearly exactly like an
existing ASF project, and it's implemented in the same language, and it
even copies their code - s
Doug, I was criticizing my message, not yours in that respect. which
should have been clear from the comment justifying.
On Sep 6, 2011, at 10:07 PM, Doug Meil wrote:
>
> Greetings Benson,
>
> re: "top-posting is generally less than ideal"
>
> It's funny that you would say that, because there wa
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 3:27 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:
> Doug Meil,
SNIP
> Lots of incubator proposals come from groups of people with little or
> no prior track record at Apache or in Open Source at all. The point of
> incubation is to give them a chance to either learn how to be an
> Apache T
Hello Doug,
I appreciate your concerns, and I would like to try to provide some context
that might help you understand why we think the ASF is the right place for
Accumulo.
Benson is correct that the Accumulo developers have historically not been
authorized to participate in public open-source
Greetings Benson,
re: "top-posting is generally less than ideal"
It's funny that you would say that, because there was a 17 message
email-chain about Accumulo this past weekend that you participated in, and
I noticed that you didn't tell any of those people that posting on this
dist-list was a
Re: "Highlander"
Greatest movie ever.
re: "Webservers"
This is a good point, but a closer inspection of the webservers shows that
the situation is quite different from Accumulo vs. HBase.
Apache WS is in implemented in C, and Tomcat is implemented in Java.
Accumulo is, effectively, trying
The ASF is not Highlander. If we're big enough
to host a few different webservers, we're big enough
for 2 "HBase" projects.
>
>From: Doug Meil
>To: "general@incubator.apache.org"
>Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 8:06 PM
>Subject: Accumulo incubator proposal:
Doug Meil,
Top-posting is generally less than idea, but I want to respond to the
overall theme of your message, not to individual points and sentences.
The attitude of various chunks of the US government to Open Source has
changed radically over the last few years. What would have been
institutio
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