The ASF is not Highlander. If we're big enough to host a few different webservers, we're big enough for 2 "HBase" projects.
>________________________________ >From: Doug Meil <doug.m...@explorysmedical.com> >To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org> >Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 8:06 PM >Subject: Accumulo incubator proposal: Statement of Concern > > >I am writing to state my concerns with the Accumulo Incubator proposal, the >HBase copy/clone. > >1) “Accumulo has been in development since spring 2008.” > >I don’t fault anybody for being scared of HBase in 2008 – you’d have to be >pretty brave to use it then. HBase 0.20 was the first release to get wide >adoption and that came out in the fall of 2009. That said, the fall of 2009 >was two years ago. > >2) “Some of the desired features of Accumulo could be incorporated into >HBase, however the most important of these may be unlikely to be adopted (see >cell-level access labels and iterators below)” > >The proposal claims that the most important features “may be unlikely to be >adopted” by HBase. Really?? How do the Accumulo developers know this? > >Not a single request was made either in dist-list or Jira form to the HBase >community regarding these requested features. Why is open communication such >a problem? Remember that Accumulo had 2 years to put together such a >request. For a project trying to achieve the exact same goals as HBase, this >is not a minor issue. > >The past is unfortunately the best predictor of futureperformance, and while >excuses have been made about sharing code and communication being “hard” for >the employer of the majority of the Accumulo developers, the lack of open-ness >for an ASF project is a non-starter. For example, the HBase team received a >recent finger-wag when the project committers voted on a new logo (i.e., >instead of letting the entire community vote). This somewhat humorous >infraction does prove the point: open-ness is required at all levels. > >HBase has, for years, demonstrated this principle through public feature >requests, public bug reports, public code reviews, and public dist-list >conversations on every conceivable issue. Based on past performance, I don’t >see Accumulo, or the developers behind Accumulo, being able to make the cut in >this respect. > >3) “ === Apache Brand === > Our interest in releasing this code as an Apache >incubator project is due to its strong relationship with other Apache >projects, i.e. Hadoop, Zookeeper, and HBase” > >Regarding “strong relationship” see point #2 about on non-communication over >the last few years. > >Side-bar conversations with a Hadoop developer or two do not count as >“community communication.” > >4) In Summary > >If Accumulo wishes to be an open-source project, so be it - but put it on >Google Code, SourceForge, or Github. There are plenty of places. But I don’t >think it belongs in ASF. > >I’m sure that other developers may have some comments about copied HBase and >Hadoop code, but I’ll leave that to them. > >Sincerely, > >Doug Meil > > > > > >
