Doug, I was criticizing my message, not yours in that respect. which should have been clear from the comment justifying.
On Sep 6, 2011, at 10:07 PM, Doug Meil <doug.m...@explorysmedical.com> wrote: > > Greetings Benson, > > re: "top-posting is generally less than ideal" > > It's funny that you would say that, because there was a 17 message > email-chain about Accumulo this past weekend that you participated in, and > I noticed that you didn't tell any of those people that posting on this > dist-list was a bad idea. > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201109.mbox/brow > ser > > re: "pedigree" > > Pedigree is hardly what anybody is looking for. I have been answering > questions on the HBase dist-list for 2 years (yes, since HBase 0.20) and I > can tell you personally that some of the people on the dist-list are > brilliant, and others I wonder how they managed to turn their computer on > (hey, did I just say that out loud?). > > But we try to answer all their questions just the same. > > I'll let the other HBase team members speak for themselves, but my request > to ASF is that if somebody proposes something that nearly exactly like an > existing ASF project, and it's implemented in the same language, and it > even copies their code - shouldn't somebody at ASF ask the proposing team: > "have you guys talked to the other project?" Especially since, in this > case, one of their claims is that HBase "can't do or has no plans" for > something. > > > It's all about community, isn't it? > > > > > > > On 9/6/11 8:27 PM, "Benson Margulies" <bimargul...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Doug Meil, >> >> Top-posting is generally less than idea, but I want to respond to the >> overall theme of your message, not to individual points and sentences. >> >> The attitude of various chunks of the US government to Open Source has >> changed radically over the last few years. What would have been >> institutionally impossible is now encouraged. It is unfair to >> criticize these people for being under the radar when their management >> told them to be under the radar and claim that the leopard cannot >> change its spots. That situation has changed. The code base exists, it >> serves a particular collection of needs, and here they are. >> >> Lots of incubator proposals come from groups of people with little or >> no prior track record at Apache or in Open Source at all. The point of >> incubation is to give them a chance to either learn how to be an >> Apache TLP -- or not. We do not tell people 'go away, you haven't >> enough pedigree.' Mentors have more work to do when the nucleus of a >> podling is comparatively inexperienced. >> >> Further, I don't know of any policy of the ASF in general, or the >> incubator in particular, that insists that a group of itch-scratchers >> make any particular attempt to make any particular gesture towards any >> particular existing community as a prerequisite of incubation. Five of >> my friends and I could turn up here tomorrow with a proposal to fork >> an existing TLP to scratch our particular itch, and, so far as I can >> tell, the incubator PMC would evaluate the proposal on its merits, >> independent of the fork. >> >> You are of course entitled to your opinions and concerns, but if you >> think that there is some policy that supports the position that PMC >> members should vote -1 on this proposal due to these issues I wish you >> would cite it. >> >> In the past, committers of existing TLP's have been, well, >> particularly vigilant in monitoring the progress of 'competing' >> podlings. CXF was an example podling of this effect. You are, of >> course, welcome to adopt that stance. You are also welcome to slurp up >> every line of their code, once in place, if you think that HBase could >> benefit from it. >> >> Perhaps needless to say, but as a Mentor-in-waiting, I'm all in favor >> of this proposal. >> >> --benson margulies >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
