Re: OpenSAML (was RE: Incubator DOA)

2003-03-13 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: Folks, Could you toss the board a bone here - i.e. reach consensus what *we* as developers (all of us :-) feel are acceptable boundaries for working on that code. Yes. Then the board will help define what the ASF deems acceptable, and work with you to convey this

RE: OpenSAML (was RE: Incubator DOA)

2003-03-13 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Dirk, The WS-PMC wants to build new Apache WS projects on SAMLHere's the VOTE RESULTS that i sent to this mailing list. (http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=incubator-general&m=104549544123838&w=2) Thanks, dims --- Dirk-Willem van Gulik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, S

RE: OpenSAML (was RE: Incubator DOA)

2003-03-13 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Scott Cantor wrote: > In any case, my thoughts notwithstanding, it's obviously something that > the people interested in building new Apache WS projects on SAML should > decide. Aye - and the board@ is unlikely to do anything significant until at least that group has reache

RE: OpenSAML (was RE: Incubator DOA)

2003-03-13 Thread Scott Cantor
> Some thoughts: > > - Zero Royalty versus (perpetual) Royalty Free ? Or a perpatual > license with Zero Royalty today. I think a perpetual license is a big issue, because otherwise people have to assume the rug could be yanked from under them. I know that's my biggest concern, persona

Re: OpenSAML (was RE: Incubator DOA)

2003-03-13 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > I object to this. And it did not say WILL be royalty-free it said .. > I object to that as well. .. > I would like to petition the board for such a statement. Folks, Could you toss the board a bone here - i.e. reach consensus what *we* as develop

Re: OpenSAML (was RE: Incubator DOA)

2003-03-13 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Scott Cantor wrote: There is the one I don't believe. By their statement it did not say that developers using the software would have to obtain a seperate license that they "INTEND" to be free, then on the next line it kind of contradicted that. IANAL but I see this as WAY more threatening th

Re: OpenSAML (was RE: Incubator DOA)

2003-03-12 Thread Roy T. Fielding
Anybody downloading the code will have to obtain a royalty-free license from RSA to use it, separate from whatever other license applies (i.e. the ASL). Period. Unless the ASF talks them into changing their mind, that's the story. No ambiguity intended. Will it be royalty-free forever and ever?

RE: OpenSAML (was RE: Incubator DOA)

2003-03-12 Thread Scott Cantor
> There is the one I don't believe. By their statement it did not say > that developers using the software would have to obtain a seperate > license that they "INTEND" to be free, then on the next line it kind of > contradicted that. IANAL but I see this as WAY more threatening than > LGPL se

Re: OpenSAML (was RE: Incubator DOA)

2003-03-12 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Awesome! Glad to know it. Update to my comment: The OpenSAML proponents took the comments received here and formed the constructive action of emailing RSA about addressing our concerns and are waiting for a reply ;-). It appears like they're keeping their eye on the ball. Better? -Andy Dav

Re: OpenSAML (was RE: Incubator DOA)

2003-03-12 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
I certainly disagree that I didn't address the issue. Your issue was that you didn't believe the RSA license (that may never get released, the way things are going ;-) would be royalty-free, which simply disregards the history of the discussion with RSA that you weren't part of. It will be, wheth

Re: OpenSAML (was RE: Incubator DOA)

2003-03-12 Thread Davanum Srinivas
FYI, Here's the message that i sent to Rob @ RSA on Mon, 3 Mar 2003 07:38:57 -0800 (PST). No reply from him yet. I HAVE NOT DROPPED IT YET... --- Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 07:38:57 -0800 (PST) > From: Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: I