Adding two new committers to Apache Druid (incubating)

2019-09-03 Thread Roman Leventov
Apache Druid (incubating) PMC voted to accept two new committers: Fokko Driesprong ( https://mail-search.apache.org/pmc/private-arch/druid-private/201909.mbox/%3CCAAMLo%3Da-zYUdQdfvAKX7F-DnO%3Do0uySmwfyjmd6gfaRC-W4Q%2Bw%40mail.gmail.com%3E) and Furkan Kamaci ( https://mail-search.apache.org/pmc

Re: Inviting new committers to a podling

2018-05-02 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, Two small additions to Dave's list: On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 3:40 AM, Dave Fisher wrote: > (1) Discuss, propose and approve on private@. Provide permalink to threads on > whimsy. > (2) In case of PPMC then ACK to IPMC. > (3) Invite individual to role using email templates. PPMC may develop th

Re: Inviting new committers to a podling

2018-05-01 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi Roman, > > Thanks for the feedback. > >>> On May 1, 2018, at 3:23 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: >>> >>> 3. It is not obvious what the policy is for a podling to invite new >>> committers and PPMC members. I don't believe it should be the &

Re: Inviting new committers to a podling

2018-05-01 Thread Craig Russell
Hi Roman, Thanks for the feedback. > On May 1, 2018, at 3:23 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > >> 3. It is not obvious what the policy is for a podling to invite new >> committers and PPMC members. I don't believe it should be the responsibility >> of the podli

Re: Inviting new committers to a podling

2018-05-01 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 4:50 PM, Craig Russell wrote: > I would respectfully suggest that the PPMC guide section that describes how > to invite new committers and PPMC members is not adequate to the task. > > This is what I think is the relevant section of > https://incubator.ap

Re: Inviting new committers to a podling

2018-05-01 Thread Carlos Santana
.html Section: Adding new committers Section: Voting in a new PPMC member We have followed this process for some recent members we added to OpenWhisk. For PPMC members: We held a vote on ppmc private, give the minimum 72 hours for the vote, and close the vote when there are 3 or more votes. But we

Inviting new committers to a podling

2018-04-30 Thread Craig Russell
I would respectfully suggest that the PPMC guide section that describes how to invite new committers and PPMC members is not adequate to the task. This is what I think is the relevant section of https://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html : There are no ASF wide rules on how to decide when

Re: PPMC voting new committers

2017-11-06 Thread Hen
ding people via lazy consensus. Hen On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 10:34 AM, Craig Russell wrote: > I'd like to see a change in incubator policy w.r.t. voting new committers. > > While there are no Foundation policies on how to vote new committers, we > do have best practices docu

Re: PPMC voting new committers

2017-11-04 Thread John D. Ament
p with the > rules of their own > (within the foundation policy and doctrine of course). > > Not sure how to reconcile these two aspects. > > Thanks, > Roman. > > On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 10:34 AM, Craig Russell > wrote: > > I'd like to see a change in incubator po

Re: PPMC voting new committers

2017-11-04 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
trary rules but instead come up with the rules of their own (within the foundation policy and doctrine of course). Not sure how to reconcile these two aspects. Thanks, Roman. On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 10:34 AM, Craig Russell wrote: > I'd like to see a change in incubator policy w.r.t. voting n

Re: PPMC voting new committers

2017-11-03 Thread Jean-Baptiste Onofré
Hi It sounds good to me. It's a good idea. Regards JB On Nov 3, 2017, 18:34, at 18:34, Craig Russell wrote: >I'd like to see a change in incubator policy w.r.t. voting new >committers. > >While there are no Foundation policies on how to vote new committers, >

PPMC voting new committers

2017-11-03 Thread Craig Russell
I'd like to see a change in incubator policy w.r.t. voting new committers. While there are no Foundation policies on how to vote new committers, we do have best practices documented in http://community.apache.org/newcommitter.html that explicitly calls for consensus approval of at least

Re: New Committers not showing up on people.a.o

2014-09-11 Thread David Nalley
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 7:31 PM, P. Taylor Goetz wrote: > Thanks Ted, Andrew, and sebb, > > FOAF files were one of first thing I checked, but I don't have a FOAF file, > yet I (ptgoetz) am still listed as a member of Storm on p.a.o. > > I can confirm that some of the new members have commit right

Re: New Committers not showing up on people.a.o

2014-09-11 Thread P. Taylor Goetz
Thanks Ted, Andrew, and sebb, FOAF files were one of first thing I checked, but I don't have a FOAF file, yet I (ptgoetz) am still listed as a member of Storm on p.a.o. I can confirm that some of the new members have commit rights to our git repo, but still aren't listed as members on p.a.o. T

Re: New Committers not showing up on people.a.o

2014-09-11 Thread sebb
On 12 September 2014 00:12, sebb wrote: > On 11 September 2014 23:06, Ted Dunning wrote: >> Last time I had to figure this out, this link was the key: >> >> http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#SVNaccess >> > > LDAP is not used for Incubator podling members. That page is for PMCs, so does not appl

Re: New Committers not showing up on people.a.o

2014-09-11 Thread sebb
On 11 September 2014 23:06, Ted Dunning wrote: > Last time I had to figure this out, this link was the key: > > http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#SVNaccess > LDAP is not used for Incubator podling members. Podling groups are defined in the asf-authorization file. I just checked http://people.

Re: New Committers not showing up on people.a.o

2014-09-11 Thread sebb
On 11 September 2014 23:41, Andrew Phillips wrote: > > > From what I recall, the information in people.as..o is generated from FOAF > files, which are committed to a repo. See [1] for details. Some of people.a.o is derived from FOAF file. But the "committers by ..." pages are currently obtained

Re: New Committers not showing up on people.a.o

2014-09-11 Thread Andrew Phillips
From what I recall, the information in people.a.o is generated from FOAF files, which are committed to a repo. See [1] for details. ap [1] http://people.apache.org/foaf/index.html

Re: New Committers not showing up on people.a.o

2014-09-11 Thread Ted Dunning
Last time I had to figure this out, this link was the key: http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#SVNaccess On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 2:23 PM, P. Taylor Goetz wrote: > We (Storm) have added a few committers/PPMC members, but they aren’t > listed under the project on people.apache.org. > > Poking t

New Committers not showing up on people.a.o

2014-09-11 Thread P. Taylor Goetz
We (Storm) have added a few committers/PPMC members, but they aren’t listed under the project on people.apache.org. Poking through the code to generate that site, it looks like that information comes from LDAP. What is the process for updating that information (both now and post-graduation)?

Re: Policy for new committers to podlings

2012-05-18 Thread Benson Margulies
Yes, thank you both. Every so often maxwel's daemon sends all the google results to the wrong side of the internet for me. On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Billie J Rinaldi wrote: > On Friday, May 18, 2012 2:03:39 PM, "Benson Margulies" > wrote: >> I'm embarrassed to report that I'm feeling a

Re: Policy for new committers to podlings

2012-05-18 Thread Billie J Rinaldi
On Friday, May 18, 2012 2:03:39 PM, "Benson Margulies" wrote: > I'm embarrassed to report that I'm feeling a bit foggy on the new > committer policy, and a quick tour with google failed to find it on a > web page. We're long on pages about initial podling setup, and not so > long on others. > >

Re: Policy for new committers to podlings

2012-05-18 Thread Patrick Hunt
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: > I'm embarrassed to report that I'm feeling a bit foggy on the new > committer policy, and a quick tour with google failed to find it on a > web page. We're long on pages about initial podling setup, and not so > long on others. > > So, if

Policy for new committers to podlings

2012-05-18 Thread Benson Margulies
I'm embarrassed to report that I'm feeling a bit foggy on the new committer policy, and a quick tour with google failed to find it on a web page. We're long on pages about initial podling setup, and not so long on others. So, if a podling has held a vote for a new contributor, what exactly happens

Re: Keeping an eye out for new committers

2012-03-23 Thread Matt Hogstrom
t;> of it. >>> >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>>> From: Daniel Kulp >>>> To: general@incubator.apache.org >>>> Cc: Alan Gates ; Jukka Zitting >>>> >>>> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 10:42

Re: Keeping an eye out for new committers

2012-03-23 Thread Alan Gates
the hang >> of it. >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >>> From: Daniel Kulp >>> To: general@incubator.apache.org >>> Cc: Alan Gates ; Jukka Zitting >>> >>> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 10:42 AM >>> Subject:

Re: Keeping an eye out for new committers

2012-03-22 Thread Matt Hogstrom
t; > > - Original Message - >> From: Daniel Kulp >> To: general@incubator.apache.org >> Cc: Alan Gates ; Jukka Zitting >> >> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 10:42 AM >> Subject: Re: Keeping an eye out for new committers >> >> On Friday, Ma

Re: Keeping an eye out for new committers

2012-03-19 Thread Joe Schaefer
he.org > Cc: Alan Gates ; Jukka Zitting > > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 10:42 AM > Subject: Re: Keeping an eye out for new committers > > On Friday, March 16, 2012 04:28:06 PM Alan Gates wrote: >> With my mentor hat on, this is a poke to remind you (the PPMC) that &g

Re: Keeping an eye out for new committers

2012-03-19 Thread Daniel Kulp
On Friday, March 16, 2012 04:28:06 PM Alan Gates wrote: > With my mentor hat on, this is a poke to remind you (the PPMC) that it's > your job to be on the lookout for contributors that may be ready to > become committers. > > I look for several things when I consider making someone a committer: >

Re: Keeping an eye out for new committers

2012-03-19 Thread Daniel Shahaf
Alan Gates wrote on Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 16:28:06 -0700: > One good way to find what patches a contributor has done is to look > over the contributor report from JIRA. You can get this by going to > your project's JIRA, and under the reports drop down on the right > side, click on "Contribution Re

Re: Keeping an eye out for new committers

2012-03-19 Thread Ross Gardler
These look good and are a decent complement to http://community.apache.org/newcommitter.html If you have the time would you mind adding your notes there (all committers have write access to the ComDev site via the ASF CMS) Ross On 16 March 2012 23:28, Alan Gates wrote: > Below is a generalized

Keeping an eye out for new committers

2012-03-19 Thread Alan Gates
Below is a generalized edition of an email I sent to the PPMC of one of the projects I mentor (HCatalog). Jukka asked me to send it on to general@. Hopefully you will find it useful. Alan. With my mentor hat on, this is a poke to remind you (the PPMC) that it's your job to be on the lookout

Re: Establishing New Committers

2011-11-07 Thread Ross Gardler
On 7 November 2011 14:11, Tim Williams wrote: > On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Ross Gardler > wrote: ... >> That being said, thank you for improving this template, I've added >> your enhancements to the original template over at ComDev (along with >> the modification suggested by Craig). > >

Re: Establishing New Committers

2011-11-07 Thread Donald Whytock
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 5:32 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > You use the phrase "committ rights" in this template. They are not > "rights" they are "privileges". The reason this might be important is > that very occasionally it is necessary for a PMC to remove these > privileges, it is one of the few blu

Re: Establishing New Committers

2011-11-07 Thread Tim Williams
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > You might consider this nit-picking but it might also be important at > some point in the future. > > You use the phrase "committ rights" in this template. They are not > "rights" they are "privileges". The reason this might be important is > t

Re: Establishing New Committers

2011-11-04 Thread Ross Gardler
You might consider this nit-picking but it might also be important at some point in the future. You use the phrase "committ rights" in this template. They are not "rights" they are "privileges". The reason this might be important is that very occasionally it is necessary for a PMC to remove these

Re: Establishing New Committers

2011-11-03 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Dennis, I'd update item 3 below On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:21 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: 3. When you transmit the completed iCLA, indicate that you are to be a committer and PPMC member of the Apache [OOo podling]. This will allow the Secretary to notify the PPMC when your iCLA has

RE: Establishing New Committers

2011-11-03 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Here's a modification of the letter that I have been evolving. It has been used in recent invitations from the Apache OpenOffice.org Podling where no iCLA is on file. You are welcome to try this. There are additional places to be customized for use by a different podling. I have added bracket

Establishing New Committers

2011-11-03 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Here's a Form letter that I have been evolving. It has been used in recent invitations from the Apache OpenOffice.org Podling where an iCLA is already on file. You are welcome to try this. There are additional places to be customized for use by a different podling. I have added brackets where

Re: new committers

2010-09-01 Thread Craig L Russell
The site is correct. Officers have karma, not "arbitrary" others. Craig On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Brett Porter wrote: Generally the mentors will do this for their respective podlings. On 02/09/2010, at 9:50 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: root notified us of a raft of new

Re: new committers

2010-09-01 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Benson, On Sep 1, 2010, at 7:38 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: Leaving my snarky remark aside, I can now analyze the disconnect in question. I misinterpreted you as meaning that *any* mentor should be able to do it, not that projects generally have at least one mentor who can. In my defense, I

Re: new committers

2010-09-01 Thread Benson Margulies
Leaving my snarky remark aside, I can now analyze the disconnect in question. I misinterpreted you as meaning that *any* mentor should be able to do it, not that projects generally have at least one mentor who can. In my defense, I read the tone of that web page as suggesting that the people with e

Re: new committers

2010-09-01 Thread Brett Porter
On 02/09/2010, at 11:37 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: > The site says that only the PMC chair, the ex-PMC chairs, and a > shadowy underground of unnamed other individuals have access to grant > commit karma ... not arbitrary mentors. The site couldn't possibly be > inaccurate, could it? It's corre

Re: new committers

2010-09-01 Thread Benson Margulies
ally the mentors will do this for their respective podlings. > > On 02/09/2010, at 9:50 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: > >> root notified us of a raft of new committers. Is someone in stock with >> karma to grant karma? >> >> --

Re: new committers

2010-09-01 Thread Brett Porter
Generally the mentors will do this for their respective podlings. On 02/09/2010, at 9:50 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: > root notified us of a raft of new committers. Is someone in stock with > karma to grant karma? > > --

Re: new committers

2010-09-01 Thread Benson Margulies
Thanks, sorry about the out-of-order email responses. On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Craig L Russell wrote: > Done. > > Craig > > On Sep 1, 2010, at 4:50 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > >> root notified us of a raft of new committers. Is someone in stock with

Re: new committers

2010-09-01 Thread Craig L Russell
Done. Craig On Sep 1, 2010, at 4:50 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: root notified us of a raft of new committers. Is someone in stock with karma to grant karma? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org

new committers

2010-09-01 Thread Benson Margulies
root notified us of a raft of new committers. Is someone in stock with karma to grant karma? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

Re: New committers

2009-04-30 Thread Christian Grobmeier
>> Christian Grobmeier, as you said, was an obvious choice and wanted >> commit. He already had an account and his iCLA was on file, so I >> added him to the commit list for log4php. > > I also support this decision. Sometimes it is necessary to be flexible > to get moving again... Even when the k

Re: New committers

2009-04-30 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > On Apr 28, 2009, at 9:14 AM, Curt Arnold wrote: > >> Good to see some new faces, but I'm curious about how it happened.  I >> don't recall any discussion or votes and I didn't request new accounts or >> make changes to the SVN authorization

Re: New committers

2009-04-30 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Apr 28, 2009, at 9:14 AM, Curt Arnold wrote: Good to see some new faces, but I'm curious about how it happened. I don't recall any discussion or votes and I didn't request new accounts or make changes to the SVN authorization file. Christian Grobmeier, as you said, was an obvious cho

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-06-05 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Richard S. Hall wrote: > Niclas Hedhman wrote: >> >> I don't know all the communities around ASF, but what I have seen is >> that the "acceptance"/"decline" happens after the public vote. Entries >> to PMCs seems more like "private vote" -> accept/decline -> "welcome" >> in the communities I know o

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-06-05 Thread Richard S. Hall
Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Tuesday 05 June 2007 07:48, Craig L Russell wrote: Hi Niclas, There is one issue that still bothers me about your proposed ways of voting. At some point, the nominee has to be asked, and accept, to become a committer. This would have to be after the private votes are

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-06-04 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Niclas, On Jun 4, 2007, at 6:04 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Tuesday 05 June 2007 07:48, Craig L Russell wrote: Hi Niclas, There is one issue that still bothers me about your proposed ways of voting. At some point, the nominee has to be asked, and accept, to become a committer. This would

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-06-04 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tuesday 05 June 2007 07:48, Craig L Russell wrote: > Hi Niclas, > > There is one issue that still bothers me about your proposed ways of > voting. At some point, the nominee has to be asked, and accept, to > become a committer. This would have to be after the private votes are > done and before

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-06-04 Thread Craig L Russell
e incubator. The reason is that PPMC votes have no legal status. And incubator PMC members generally don't track podlings closely. So it's difficult to get incubator PMC members to vote for new committers. But incubator PMC members should be very good at looking at PPMC processes and voting

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-06-03 Thread Leo Simons
Thanks Craig. Some suggestions/comments: On May 31, 2007, at 7:56 AM, Craig L Russell wrote: Voting in a new committer If a developer has contributed a significant number of high-quality patches, is interested in continuing the contribution, and has demonstrated the ability to work well wit

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-06-01 Thread ant elder
On 5/30/07, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Carl Trieloff wrote: > One more question on this topic as I have also seen differing views from > different members of the Incubator PMC on: "Who can and who can not > send the account setup mail to root?" The view that counts is from htt

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-06-01 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Bill, Thanks for clarifying your position. This is a bit of a surprise, since I thought I was just elaborating existing practice as documented in the ppmc guide. The section in question had been in the guides/ppmc for as long as I've been at Apache, and I missed any dialog regarding th

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-06-01 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Martin Sebor wrote: > Craig L Russell wrote: >>> >>> How could a PPMC participate in a vote on the Incubator PMC's private >>> list? >> >> It cannot, and I don't believe I implied that this would be the case. >> The idea is that the PPMC, with the help of the Mentors, conducts a >> discussion and a

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-31 Thread Martin Sebor
Craig L Russell wrote: Hi Martin, On May 30, 2007, at 11:07 AM, Martin Sebor wrote: Craig L Russell wrote: [...] So IMHO, best practice for podlings is to hold a [DISCUSS] Joe Bleau for committer on the PPMC private list, followed by a [VOTE] on the PPMC private list, and then a formal [VOTE

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-31 Thread Dion Gillard
Speaking of being unnecessarily hostile and confrontational, thanks for bagging Jakarta. FWIW, The most recent Jakarta committer votes have been conducted in private, and what you describe is not a current Jakarta practice. Where are Noel's comments about bad Jakarta practice? I had a quick look

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-31 Thread Dan Diephouse
As this seems to be an evolving Best Practice, I don't know that when started a vote recently on two new committers for CXF that all of this was apparent to me at the time. The current documentation at least http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html seems to indicate that we just need

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-31 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Craig L Russell wrote: > Hi Bill, > > On May 30, 2007, at 11:37 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: > >> Craig L Russell wrote: >>> >>> o The podling's developer list, with notice posted to the Incubator >>> general list. The notice is a separate email forwarding the vote email >>> with a cover state

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-31 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Martin, On May 30, 2007, at 11:07 AM, Martin Sebor wrote: Craig L Russell wrote: [...] So IMHO, best practice for podlings is to hold a [DISCUSS] Joe Bleau for committer on the PPMC private list, followed by a [VOTE] on the PPMC private list, and then a formal [VOTE] on the private inc

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-31 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Bill, On May 30, 2007, at 11:37 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Craig L Russell wrote: o The podling's developer list, with notice posted to the Incubator general list. The notice is a separate email forwarding the vote email with a cover statement that this vote is underway on the podl

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-31 Thread Martin Sebor
Craig L Russell wrote: [...] So IMHO, best practice for podlings is to hold a [DISCUSS] Joe Bleau for committer on the PPMC private list, followed by a [VOTE] on the PPMC private list, and then a formal [VOTE] on the private incubator PMC list with references to the discussion and vote of the P

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Craig L Russell wrote: > > o The podling's developer list, with notice posted to the Incubator > general list. The notice is a separate email forwarding the vote email > with a cover statement that this vote is underway on the podling's > developer list. This is a good approach if you are sure of

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Craig L Russell
I'd like to discuss one detail of the process for new committers. On May 30, 2007, at 10:56 PM, Craig L Russell wrote: If the nominee is already an Apache committer on another project, the proposer asks the incubator PMC chair to update the authorization file to include the nominee

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Craig L Russell
Here's what I'd like to do with the ppmc guide. Change: Voting in a new committer If a developer has contributed a significant number of high-quality patches, is interested in continuing the contribution, and has demonstrated the ability to work well with others under the Apache guidelines,

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Jean T. Anderson
Craig L Russell wrote: > Hi Jean, > > On May 30, 2007, at 8:11 AM, Jean T. Anderson wrote: > >> Craig L Russell wrote: >> >>> Hi Carl, >>> >>> On May 30, 2007, at 6:14 AM, Carl Trieloff wrote: >>> One more question on this topic as I have also seen differing views from different members

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Craig L Russell
g Carl. Craig L Russell wrote: Having seen this identical discussion at least half a dozen times, I've committed changes to the guides/ppmc document removing the distracting (P) from the discussion on new committers. The new text says Only votes cast by Incubator PMC members are bindi

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Craig L Russell
On May 30, 2007, at 10:00 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Craig Russell wrote: I'd like to open the discussion on the "best practice" referred to by the guides/ppmc because I'm not convinced that best practice for a TLP is best practice for the incubator. Personally, if I saw a vote on the incu

RE: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Carl Trieloff wrote: > One more question on this topic as I have also seen differing views from > different members of the Incubator PMC on: "Who can and who can not > send the account setup mail to root?" The view that counts is from http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#newcommitter. Please note

RE: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Craig Russell wrote: > I'd like to open the discussion on the "best practice" referred to by > the guides/ppmc because I'm not convinced that best practice for a > TLP is best practice for the incubator. > Personally, if I saw a vote on the incubator private PMC list for a > new committer on a po

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Jean T. Anderson
the message, > to make sure that the request is valid. > > I agree that it's better for the PPMC members themselves to be able to > make the request to root, but I'd have to leave it up to infrastructure > to decide if they can handle it. > > Craig > >> &

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Martin Ritchie
w to grant commit privileges to people who demonstrate to the project that they deserve it. I'm also very aware that most incubator PMC members simply don't have the time to perform due diligence on requests for commit access for podlings. So what I&#

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Craig L Russell
e diligence on requests for commit access for podlings. So what I'm proposing allows incubator PMC members to perform due diligence if they want to, or simply provide oversight of the PPMC's actions on new committers. Craig Yoav -

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Carl Trieloff
Craig L Russell wrote: Hi Carl, On May 30, 2007, at 6:14 AM, Carl Trieloff wrote: One more question on this topic as I have also seen differing views from different members of the Incubator PMC on: "Who can and who can not send the account setup mail to root?" Given each new committer vote

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Craig L Russell
e committed changes to the guides/ppmc document removing the distracting (P) from the discussion on new committers. The new text says Only votes cast by Incubator PMC members are binding. If the vote is positive, and the contributor accepts the responsibility of a committer for the project

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, On 5/30/07, Craig L Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Personally, if I saw a vote on the incubator private PMC list for a new committer on a podling, including references to the PPMC discussion and vote, I would be inclined to vote for that committer. On the other hand, if I saw a vote on t

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Martijn Dashorst
On 5/30/07, Carl Trieloff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: behind this practice. If the mail to root has to be cc-ed to general list and PPMC and has 3 PMC votes on it then it would seem to me that it could be send by anyone. I can only think of one reason: [EMAIL PROTECTED] is not accessible to PPM

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Niclas Hedhman
st practice for the incubator. > > > > The reason is that PPMC votes have no legal status. And incubator PMC > > members generally don't track podlings closely. So it's difficult to > > get incubator PMC members to vote for new committers. > > > > But i

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Craig L Russell
for a TLP is best practice for the incubator. The reason is that PPMC votes have no legal status. And incubator PMC members generally don't track podlings closely. So it's difficult to get incubator PMC members to vote for new committers. But incubator PMC members should be very good a

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Carl Trieloff
s on it then it would seem to me that it could be send by anyone. Carl. Craig L Russell wrote: Having seen this identical discussion at least half a dozen times, I've committed changes to the guides/ppmc document removing the distracting (P) from the discussion on new committers. The

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Davanum Srinivas
P is best practice for the incubator. The reason is that PPMC votes have no legal status. And incubator PMC members generally don't track podlings closely. So it's difficult to get incubator PMC members to vote for new committers. But incubator PMC members should be very good at looking at PP

Re: PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Craig L Russell
don't track podlings closely. So it's difficult to get incubator PMC members to vote for new committers. But incubator PMC members should be very good at looking at PPMC processes and voting based on the PPMC vote process. Personally, if I saw a vote on the incubator private PMC l

PPMC guidance on new committers

2007-05-30 Thread Craig L Russell
Having seen this identical discussion at least half a dozen times, I've committed changes to the guides/ppmc document removing the distracting (P) from the discussion on new committers. The new text says Only votes cast by Incubator PMC members are binding. If the vote is positive

Re: Adding new committers process

2007-05-29 Thread Carl Trieloff
Noel J. Bergman wrote: Carl Trieloff wrote: A suggestion that one of our mentors had made to us was to do a poll for concerns on the private list to see if PPMC was happy with the committer to be added to the project (notice and to see if any of PPMC have concerns). If all went well on the

RE: Adding new committers process

2007-05-29 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Carl Trieloff wrote: > A suggestion that one of our mentors had made to us was to do a poll for > concerns on the private list to see if PPMC was happy with the committer > to be added to the project (notice and to see if any of PPMC have > concerns). If all went well on the PPMC list, the sugg

Re: Adding new committers process

2007-05-29 Thread Carl Trieloff
fficiently motivated. Agreed. I don't personally want to see the IPMC private list given over to voting in new committers on podlings. That would make, IMO that list pretty unusable. My take on Noel's comments is that the podling should ensure that it has got 3 +1s from IPMC members.

RE: Adding new committers process

2007-05-29 Thread Noel J. Bergman
iently motivated. Agreed. > I don't personally want to see the IPMC private list given over to > voting in new committers on podlings. That would make, IMO that list > pretty unusable. My take on Noel's comments is that the podling should > ensure that it has got 3 +1s from IP

RE: Adding new committers process

2007-05-29 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Martin Ritchie wrote: > I'd like to get some consensus on what the PPMC's role is so > that we can update the documentation. > On 11/04/07, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The PPMC has no standing within the ASF. It is a useful structure for the > > Incubator, but the only binding

Re: Adding new committers process

2007-05-29 Thread Upayavira
give a bigger pool of recognized people that could pickup the completed votes and create the account requests. Alternatively the IPMC could then notifiy the podling-private list that their vote was successfull so that the PPMC could create the account request (Learning that process) and send

Re: Adding new committers process

2007-05-29 Thread Martin Ritchie
Noel, It has been a while since I posted this and the conversation has gone cold. I'd like to get some consensus on what the PPMC's role is so that we can update the documentation. See embedded comments below. On 11/04/07, Martin Ritchie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 11/04/07, Noel J. Bergman

Re: Adding new committers process

2007-04-11 Thread Martin Ritchie
On 11/04/07, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Cliff Schmidt wrote: > 1. Only IPMC members (e.g. mentors) should send root requests for new >podling committers. > 2. A podling committer vote requires three IPMC +1s to be approved > (ideally the mentors, assuming the project still

RE: Adding new committers process

2007-04-10 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Cliff Schmidt wrote: > 1. Only IPMC members (e.g. mentors) should send root requests for new >podling committers. > 2. A podling committer vote requires three IPMC +1s to be approved > (ideally the mentors, assuming the project still has three mentors). > This [is] not how I read what we ha

Re: Adding new committers process

2007-04-10 Thread Cliff Schmidt
On 4/6/07, Martin Ritchie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ok, I think that has cleared things up a bit for me I'll send out these requests that I've been sitting on for a few weeks now as we need to get the accounts set up for our new committers. Just as it appeared this subjec

Re: Adding new committers process

2007-04-06 Thread Martin Ritchie
Ok, I think that has cleared things up a bit for me I'll send out these requests that I've been sitting on for a few weeks now as we need to get the accounts set up for our new committers. Cheers On 04/04/07, William A. Rowe, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jean T. Anderson wro

Re: Adding new committers process

2007-04-04 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Jean T. Anderson wrote: > > huh? The instructions [1] say "The project PMC needs to send an email to > root". It doesn't say the "project PMC chair". Since root can easily > verify pmc members from committee-info.txt [2], I don't see why any > member of the PMC cannot submit the request. Whoops :

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