On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980)
wrote:
> So, promote those 20 people to ComDev PMC, promote them to ASF
> members, promote them however, my guess is that they *care* about
> the foundation; we want these people helping new projects, and they
> will continue to help those
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
wrote:
> This is at the root of my proposal to *expect* mentors to have a vested
> interest in the success of a project.
Every single one of us here shares that *expectation*. What this
thread fails to address is a *practically* mechan
I think we need to come up with a way to verify the shepherds file is
clean. Taylor's entry broke it, due to an extra "," on a line.
I know chrome/firefox don't have this issue, but IE does. Maybe IE's using
python under the hood for JSON support? X-D
John
On Fri Dec 19 2014 at 12:33:41 AM Rom
Amidst all of the discussions around the incubator, we do still have a
board report due (I guess?). I have not seen a single marvin invite though
(I hope it wasn't stricken w/ the twitter bug :-( ). Anyone know what's up
with that?
Anyways I finished the last of my prior month duties (assigned s
:-)
Yes, it is shocking that the Ripple project had a number of signed off reports
while inappropriate releases were being made. This problem only came to light
because the community was considering retirement and some of my day job
colleagues wanted me to look at it. In other words, I have a v
Ross,
I think we're actually on the same page. My point with ripple was not so
much that it wasn't bringing it to anyone's attention (in fact the
opposite, it's plastered all over the report) but more that a simple
checkbox doesn't mean everything's great.
John
On Tue Dec 30 2014 at 10:59:33 PM
John,
Actually John I disagree with one of your examples (Ripple). This is actually a
case where things have gone as they would expect.
The mail you link to is from me. I had previously made the IPMC aware of the
issue prior to that email on the mailing list. I was asked if I was undertaking
t
On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 6:23 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
> I'd like to look at this through a lens of failure analysis. How do
> podlings fail? I see two main patterns.
>
> 1. Failure to build a community. These are the podlings that we find
> adrift in space with the lights on but no one home on
On Tue Dec 30 2014 at 1:26:31 PM Ted Dunning wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 7:26 AM, John D. Ament
> wrote:
>
> > > Absolutely not just noise. Take the extra 2 seconds to add your sign
> off.
> > >
> >
> > I disagree. Checking a check box is much different than adding
> meaningful
> > comment
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
> If NiFi wants to try this, I'm still happy to write the 'simple'
> proposal to the board, and wait upon the board's desires. If the board
> members in this thread feel that writing the simple proposal is a
> waste of time and energy, I won
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980)
wrote:
> +1 to everything Ross said below and I monitored that experiment
> as well but was unaware of the 3 incidents, etc.
>
> As for pTLPs and shifting mentorship, etc., I trust Ross’s judgement
> but think we need more data on this acro
+1 to everything Ross said below and I monitored that experiment
as well but was unaware of the 3 incidents, etc.
As for pTLPs and shifting mentorship, etc., I trust Ross’s judgement
but think we need more data on this across a number of projects
before we know definitively what’s the cause of wha
Hi!
sorry for not sending this out sooner -- holidays got
the best of me ;-)
I am really happy to welcome an ASF member
Hyunsik Choi, who has recently voluteered to
join the Incubator PMC!
Great to have you on board, Hyunsik! Please
make sure to subscribe to the IPMC MLs.
Thanks,
Roman.
-
I don't want to fan flames or point fingers, but at the same time I need to say
this. Please read it as being intended to be constructive...
This whole pTLP thing is not new. We conducted an experiment like the one
proposed below some time ago. The outcome of that experiment was supposed to be
+1 thanks Benson, totally agree.
++
Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Chief Architect
Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
Email: chris
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980)
wrote:
> Thanks Benson - I would suggest using the Incubator wiki if you
> need one (but the point about there not being a Board wiki - interesting,
> would be nice to have one).
>
> At the end of the day the resolution would look like a ty
Thanks Benson - I would suggest using the Incubator wiki if you
need one (but the point about there not being a Board wiki - interesting,
would be nice to have one).
At the end of the day the resolution would look like a typical board
resolution after Incubator graduation e.g., “Create Apache X”,
I plan to:
1. Ask the nifi community if they want to be experimental subjects. Can't
expect IRB approval without it.
2. Write a proposal for the board to read. There are a number of details to
worry over. Any suggestions about where to put it? There in no board wiki.
Is there?
3. Submit a board
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 7:26 AM, John D. Ament
wrote:
> > Absolutely not just noise. Take the extra 2 seconds to add your sign off.
> >
>
> I disagree. Checking a check box is much different than adding meaningful
> comments, either on mailing lists or on the report itself.
>
> For example, whic
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 6:48 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980)
wrote:
> ...what’s also not useful is acting like a proposal that’s existed for
> years is something new - it’s been discussed - a simple Google search
> yielded hundreds of emails no the topic
Besides taking a bit of time to read, hun
Hi Bertrand,
-Original Message-
From: Bertrand Delacretaz
Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org"
Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 at 9:30 AM
To: Incubator General
Subject: Re: Process over Ego [Was: Re: Incubator report sign-off
>Hi Chris,
>
>On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Mattman
On 30 December 2014 at 18:32, Marko Rodriguez wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
>
It is and was not noise if you got something useful for the proposalwe
have this list to discuss things.
>
> After that, we will iterate on the proposal and the submit it for approval.
>
Looking very much forward to read t
Hello,
Apologies for the noise on the list. We have a champion and Dave is working to
select mentors he think are best for TinkerPop.
After that, we will iterate on the proposal and the submit it for approval.
Thank you,
Marko.
http://markorodriguez.com
On Dec 30, 2014, at 10:14 AM, Hadrian Z
Hi Chris,
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980)
wrote:
> ...http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/IncubatorDeconstructionProposal ...
Thanks for this, this looks like a good definition of "the experiment".
> ...1. the documentation on *what* to do for incoming projects is
> alrea
Marvin, I completely agree with you - to sum it up - my take on your point
that Apache has a lot of information and guidelines for new podlings
that is somewhat inconsistently brought down to new generations and
those after them of incoming projects. Have a mentor that’s a stickler
for release cand
I followed the thread and tried to stay away, because there's a lot of
potential for noise.
If the IPMC were to take a vote on the tinkerpop proposal today it would
not pass. At the very least it's incomplete. Engaging in a conversation
on this list to finalize it is, imho, not the most produc
The problems that you cite were already cited long before (nearly a
year) in my proposal to “blow the whole thing up” as you state:
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/IncubatorDeconstructionProposal
And we can keep spinning around the target, growing the “IPMC”,
and trying to keep whatever “it” is
On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 9:01 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980)
wrote:
> The structure would still be there - my hypothesis is that the
> mentors + the board will both uplift structure, and help to identify
> (more quickly) situations like no report, lack of mentors, etc.
I am skeptical that Apache pol
On Dec 30, 2014 10:27 AM, "John D. Ament" wrote:
>
> On Mon Dec 29 2014 at 9:50:49 AM Rich Bowen wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On 12/21/2014 11:14 AM, John D. Ament wrote:
> > > I don't particularly like that idea. For one, I know that if I were
to
> > see
> > > 50%+ of mentors on a project I'm a mentor
On Mon Dec 29 2014 at 9:50:49 AM Rich Bowen wrote:
>
>
> On 12/21/2014 11:14 AM, John D. Ament wrote:
> > I don't particularly like that idea. For one, I know that if I were to
> see
> > 50%+ of mentors on a project I'm a mentor on sign off on the report, I'm
> > probably going to look at things
On 12/30/2014 09:00 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
On 30 Dec 2014, at 03:56, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>
>On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 9:32 PM, Andrew Purtell
> wrote:
>>...Certainly some projects have a de facto lead that coincide with Chair and
I'm pretty sure
>>in some cases that is an honora
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
> ...outside of self-policing, is there a mechanism to ensure that something
> like this, disfavouring egoistic
> power, is in place? Note, I’m not sure it’s actually needed, just curious
I don't think there's a formal mechanism, but
On 12/30/2014 05:38 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 12:14 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
...Given that I'll be mentoring Zeppelin, I'd love to use that as a guinea pig.
Provided, that I'd have some level of collaboration from the board
I don't have a clear idea of wh
+1
-Original Message-
From: Bertrand Delacretaz [mailto:bdelacre...@apache.org]
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 00:56
To: Incubator General
Subject: Re: Incubator report sign-off
On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 9:32 PM, Andrew Purtell
wrote:
> ...Certainly some projects have a de facto lead th
> On 30 Dec 2014, at 03:56, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>
> On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 9:32 PM, Andrew Purtell
> wrote:
>> ...Certainly some projects have a de facto lead that coincide with Chair and
>> I'm pretty sure
>> in some cases that is an honorary arrangement agreed to by the community
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 12:14 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> ...Given that I'll be mentoring Zeppelin, I'd love to use that as a guinea
> pig.
> Provided, that I'd have some level of collaboration from the board
I don't have a clear idea of what the suggested experiment means, it
looks like t
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
> ...I cannot see the Board ever mandating chair rotations. That is up to the
> community
> ...For projects that don't understand the difference between "supportive" and
> "lead": yeah, they could use a dose of trout-slapping and a chair rot
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 4:04 AM, jan i wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 30, 2014, Bertrand Delacretaz >
> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 9:32 PM, Andrew Purtell
> > > wrote:
> > > ...Certainly some projects have a de facto lead that coincide with
> Chair
> > and I'm pretty sure
> > > in some
And another +1 from myself, as a Director voting on that
proposal/resolution.
On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 11:01 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> The structure would still be there - my hypothesis is that the
> mentors + the board will both uplift structure, and h
On Tuesday, December 30, 2014, Bertrand Delacretaz
wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 9:32 PM, Andrew Purtell
> > wrote:
> > ...Certainly some projects have a de facto lead that coincide with Chair
> and I'm pretty sure
> > in some cases that is an honorary arrangement agreed to by the
> community.
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 12:54 AM, Stian Soiland-Reyes wrote:
> ...It would be sad if this Incubator Community disappears in the proposed
> move of incubating project to be reporting directly to the ASF Board...
With my board member hat on, you can count on a strong -1 from me on
that suggestion.
On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 9:32 PM, Andrew Purtell
wrote:
> ...Certainly some projects have a de facto lead that coincide with Chair and
> I'm pretty sure
> in some cases that is an honorary arrangement agreed to by the community
*loud red alarms going off all over my brain*
If that's the case
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