Re: Proposal for Lenya

2003-02-20 Thread Andreas Kuckartz
> My main concern is the fact that Lenya does not come only with a > community, but also with a code base. That code base is in use already > at a selected number of commercial installations (which is good, of > course). I hope to be proven wrong, yet I fear the existing codebase is > intimately li

Re: Proposal for Lenya

2003-02-20 Thread Paul Hammant
Michael, Folks, Dear Incubator List [...] My take (not being on the incubator PMC) is that I'd like to see the code. I want to see how componentized it is - I might like to use some of the comps outside of Lenya or outside of Cocoon itself - I'm always excited by products that have internal

Re: Proposal for Lenya

2003-02-20 Thread Jeff Turner
On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 04:01:16PM +0100, Michael Wechner wrote: > Dear Incubator List > > Here's our proposal for _Lenya_ (plz see below), a Content Management > System based on Cocoon. FWIW, here's my +1 for Incubatorship. I see Lenya as tackling all the problems that Forrest would eventually

Re: Proposal for Lenya

2003-02-20 Thread Michael Wechner
Steven Noels wrote: Michael Wechner wrote: Dear Incubator List Here's our proposal for _Lenya_ (plz see below), a Content Management System based on Cocoon. The proposal can also be viewed as HTML at: [cc'ed to cocoon-dev where Cocoon PMC lives, which will ultimatelly decide whether Lenya can

Re: OpenSAML VOTE Results (was Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenSAML as part of Web Services )

2003-02-20 Thread Ben Hyde
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Is it possible to change the standard as not to infringe on these patents? It is unlikely that that there are any authentication framework designs that don't touch on a number of strong patents. RSA is only one obvious example. This is a bloody business - there is zer

Re: Proposal for Lenya

2003-02-20 Thread Steven Noels
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Steven Noels wrote: I agree with your general assumption that a content management system is pure marketing bullshit since there is no one size that fits all. That's more or less what I'm saying, yes. In fact, in my personal view, Lenya is an effort to build a community

Re: Proposal for Lenya

2003-02-20 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Matt Sergeant wrote: On Thu, 20 Feb 2003, Steven Noels wrote: * A sh*tload of (even Cocoon-based) (half-baked) CMS solutions exist already, which might or might not be willing to join ASF in the future. What will happen if Lenya (nice name BTW) comes and claims that area? Will it be the reference

Re: Proposal for Lenya

2003-02-20 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Steven Noels wrote: Michael Wechner wrote: Dear Incubator List Here's our proposal for _Lenya_ (plz see below), a Content Management System based on Cocoon. The proposal can also be viewed as HTML at: [cc'ed to cocoon-dev where Cocoon PMC lives, which will ultimatelly decide whether Lenya can

Re: Proposal for Lenya

2003-02-20 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Steven Noels wrote, On 20/02/2003 13.36: Michael Wechner wrote: Dear Incubator List Here's our proposal for _Lenya_ (plz see below), a Content Management System based on Cocoon. The proposal can also be viewed as HTML at: [cc'ed to cocoon-dev where Cocoon PMC lives, which will ultimatelly

Re: OpenSAML VOTE Results (was Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenSAML as partof Web Services )

2003-02-20 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On my part this is -1 on these types of terms in general. These terms basically make Apache a free development subsidiary of RSA which is just not good. This is not specific to OpenSAML. I look forward to a web services security standard which is not tied to proprietary licensing. Is it possi

Re: OpenSAML VOTE Results (was Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenSAML as part of Web Services )

2003-02-20 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Andrew, Sam, Is this a -1 for OpenSAML? Please clarify. Thanks, dims --- "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > +1 - very well said. > > > Please don't overgeneralize. > > > > I don't believe that SOAP or WSDL or JAX RPC are legal mine fields. > > Every few months or so, however, a co

Re: OpenSAML VOTE Results (was Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenSAML as partof Web Services )

2003-02-20 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
+1 - very well said. Please don't overgeneralize. I don't believe that SOAP or WSDL or JAX RPC are legal mine fields. Every few months or so, however, a conspiracy theory shows up on Slashdot or the Register or ScriptingNews that IBM or Microsoft or RSA or whoever is undermining web services

Re: Proposal for Lenya

2003-02-20 Thread Steven Noels
Michael Wechner wrote: Dear Incubator List Here's our proposal for _Lenya_ (plz see below), a Content Management System based on Cocoon. The proposal can also be viewed as HTML at: [cc'ed to cocoon-dev where Cocoon PMC lives, which will ultimatelly decide whether Lenya can become a Cocoon sub-p

Re: OpenSAML VOTE Results (was Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenSAML as part of Web Services )

2003-02-20 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Sam, Ok. What should we do about OpenSAML? Since we are facing a problem here. Thanks, dims --- Sam Ruby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Davanum Srinivas wrote: > > Andrew, > > > > Since Web Services = Legal Mine field...Getting the license for Apache will ensure >that Apache > as > > a Legal En