Dear Incubator List
Here's our proposal for _Lenya_ (plz see below), a Content Management System based on Cocoon. The proposal can also be viewed as HTML at:
[cc'ed to cocoon-dev where Cocoon PMC lives, which will ultimatelly decide whether Lenya can become a Cocoon sub-project - read http://www.wyona.org/lenya.html for background info]
Some remarks and initial thoughts, mostly based on [BT] (belly thoughts), so please don't take too serious or feel offended:
* IMHO, the ASF as a whole has a focus on generic 'lower-level' frameworks created to build a variety of applications or serve as a deployment container. I've been 'quite interested' (= understatement) in CMS frameworks for a long time already, but find it a domain where _one_ design doesn't necessarily fit _many_ use cases. I'm not saying the meta-generic framework which will address all use cases exists (or could be created), I'm just afraid the early design of Lenya might be based on a set of assumptions which will be hard to reverse/refactor when fresh blood comes into the project and new ideas arise. When I see "disentangle cms & publications", I get worried.
* A sh*tload of (even Cocoon-based) (half-baked) CMS solutions exist already, which might or might not be willing to join ASF in the future. What will happen if Lenya (nice name BTW) comes and claims that area? Will it be the reference ASF CMS tool? Can CMS be considered an area where the ASF wants to operate in, like Zope (CMF) is...? Or do we stick to supporting technology like servlet containers, http stacks, build tools ... I know there is no policy at ASF that states only one CMS project can exist under the ASF umbrella, but still there is only one JetSpeed, one Tomcat, one Cocoon, etc etc - I hope my point is clear.
* from what I read here [http://www.wyona.org/roadmap.html#1.0], there is extensive refactoring planned _before_ reaching 1.0, yet this is envisioned to be done as an incubating ASF (Cocoon sub-) project. I am wondering whether it wouldn't be better if this high-impact stuff is done before being moved to Apache (it also sounds a bit like the Lenya people take the move to ASF as a given, which might perhaps be a bit too premature).
* reviewing the archived commit messages, I wonder whether the proposed list of initial committers reflects reality, or that the list has been expanded so that we won't have the suspicion it is mainly one company/group working on the codebase (as is the case with xreporter.cocoondev.org right now).
* Xopus has recently had some troubles w.r.t. its licensing policy (open, not open, etc...) Are these things effectively solved right now? What part of Xopus will be inside Lenya CVS?
As I said, these are 'just remarks'. The fact I'm posting them means I actually care about this proposal, in a positive sense.
Best regards,
</Steven> -- Steven Noels http://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center Read my weblog at http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/ stevenn at outerthought.org stevenn at apache.org
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