On my part this is -1 on these types of terms in general. These terms basically make Apache a free development
subsidiary of RSA which is just not good. This is not specific to OpenSAML. I look forward to a web services
security standard which is not tied to proprietary licensing.

Is it possible to change the standard as not to infringe on these patents?

-Andy

Davanum Srinivas wrote:

Andrew, Sam,

Is this a -1 for OpenSAML? Please clarify.

Thanks,
dims

--- "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

+1 - very well said.


Please don't overgeneralize.

I don't believe that SOAP or WSDL or JAX RPC are legal mine fields. Every few months or so, however, a conspiracy theory shows up on Slashdot or the Register or ScriptingNews that IBM or Microsoft or RSA or whoever is undermining web services with patents.

I very much want Apache to be a safe haven from this. To put this another way, I want people to be able to come to Apache without concern for putting their own Intellectual Property at risk.

Once we muddy the waters, people will feel that they will have to scrutinize everything from Apache more carefully as they can't trust us to police ourselves.

What can we do? We can say yes to projects which aren't encumbered by such restrictions and no to projects which are. Hopefully, this will get some to change, and perhaps in other cases we will find safer alternatives.

- Sam Ruby


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