On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 01:33:17 +
Peter Clifton wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-02-22 at 14:03 -0800, Colin D Bennett wrote:
> > Has anyone else noticed that the items in pcb's tearoff menus don't
> > respond to mouse clicks anymore?
> >
> > When I click an item in a torn off menu, it becomes selected (h
On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 05:21:51 +0100
Kai-Martin Knaak wrote:
> Peter Clifton wrote:
>
> > I can reproduce the bug, but only for the torn-off menus themselves.
> > sub-menus of a torn off menu work correctly.
>
> Torn off menus work all right over here. This is with debian/wheezy
> updated yesterd
On 02/22/2011 06:59 PM, John Griessen wrote:
I wanted to use the autorouter and could not get either way to run today.
Today I'm still stumped. I got the code from git HEAD last night.
I've tried gcc-4.4, gcc-4.1, gtk GUI, lesstif GUI, toporouter
other autorouter and symptom is
I have 1.6GB
On 02/23/2011 01:04 PM, John Griessen wrote:
I have 1.6GB RAM free before starting connects-->autoroute and all the RAM
but 64K is used during "autoroute" for 12 seconds of CPU time over
about 40 seconds.
I wasn't reporting CPU time right though, it uses minutes, and I needed to
subtract the
After you get done soldering and fluxing up your board to solder a lot
of SMT components, what do you guys use to get it looking flux-free
and clean again? I tried MG Chemical flux remove and while it does
remove the flux, after washing it (with tap water) and drying it, it
leaves a nasty well-ish
On 02/23/2011 01:20 PM, John Griessen wrote:
I wasn't reporting CPU time right though, top TIME+ uses minutes, and I needed
to
subtract the time when I start to be meaningful. It's more like 5 or 6 minutes
of top TIME+, but only 1.5 minutes wall clock time
til it seg faults.
JG
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On 02/23/2011 01:38 PM, yamazakir2 wrote:
what do you guys use to get it looking flux-free
and clean again?
If you use water wash flux and solder paste, you can use hot
water and a little detergent. Could use the dish washer machine too.
John
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On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 13:41:30 -0600
John Griessen wrote:
> On 02/23/2011 01:38 PM, yamazakir2 wrote:
> > what do you guys use to get it looking flux-free
> > and clean again?
>
> If you use water wash flux and solder paste, you can use hot
> water and a little detergent. Could use the dish washe
I use the really sticky dark orange flux (I think MG Chemicals). Is
water soluble flux better (for cleaning)?
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:41 AM, John Griessen wrote:
> On 02/23/2011 01:38 PM, yamazakir2 wrote:
>>
>> what do you guys use to get it looking flux-free
>> and clean again?
>
> If you us
No I am using regular tap water, should i be using DI? Also I tap
water washed lots of boards with no issues (after letting them dry
obviously).
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Colin D Bennett wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 13:41:30 -0600
> John Griessen wrote:
>
>> On 02/23/2011 01:38 PM, yamaz
I'm trying to make a board with a moderate number of LEDs arranged in
concentric circles. To do this, I am trying to formulate a pcb command
script that will perform all the necessary operations to do this.
The basics are working, but I cannot figure out how to indicate the
"reference point" when
If you know where each LED goes, why not put them on the board in the
right place, instead of dispersing them then moving them? Then you
know where the Paste() reference is.
Or write a plugin that does a MoveComponent() :-)
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Am 23.02.2011 18:24, schrieb Colin D Bennett:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 01:33:17 +
Peter Clifton wrote:
Strange - it could be a GTK bug, as it is well known the GTK
developers don't like the tear-off menu feature. I believe it is (or
was intended to be) removed in GTK 3.0.
Tear-off menus are stil
It's crucial for parts to be quite dry *before* soldering - otherwise
the rapid boiling of trapped moisture can cause components to crack.
*After* soldering, it's much less of an issue. Many components can be
washed with water and detergent, no problem. Most resistors, ceramic
caps and tantalum c
On Wed, 2011-02-23 at 09:30 -0800, Colin D Bennett wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 05:21:51 +0100
> Kai-Martin Knaak wrote:
>
> > Peter Clifton wrote:
> >
> > > I can reproduce the bug, but only for the torn-off menus themselves.
> > > sub-menus of a torn off menu work correctly.
> >
> > Torn off
On Wed, 2011-02-23 at 13:20 -0600, John Griessen wrote:
> On 02/23/2011 01:04 PM, John Griessen wrote:
>
> > I have 1.6GB RAM free before starting connects-->autoroute and all the RAM
> > but 64K is used during "autoroute" for 12 seconds of CPU time over
> > about 40 seconds.
>
>
>
> I wasn't r
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 07:53:32 +1100
Stephen Ecob wrote:
> It's crucial for parts to be quite dry *before* soldering - otherwise
> the rapid boiling of trapped moisture can cause components to crack.
> *After* soldering, it's much less of an issue. Many components can be
> washed with water and de
DJ Delorie wrote:
> Or write a plugin that does a MoveComponent()
A MoveComponent() action would be a major step toward general
scriptability. IMHO, this should be part of the core, not as a
volatile plugin.
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On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 21:08:54 +
Peter Clifton wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-02-23 at 09:30 -0800, Colin D Bennett wrote:
> > On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 05:21:51 +0100
> > Kai-Martin Knaak wrote:
> >
> > > Peter Clifton wrote:
> > >
> > > > I can reproduce the bug, but only for the torn-off menus
> > > > t
> A MoveComponent() action would be a major step toward general
> scriptability. IMHO, this should be part of the core, not as a
> volatile plugin.
If you'd like to do the patch, go for it. Otherwise, a plugin gets
him a solution faster, and it can be merged into the core later.
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On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 15:36:58 -0500
DJ Delorie wrote:
>
> If you know where each LED goes, why not put them on the board in the
> right place, instead of dispersing them then moving them? Then you
> know where the Paste() reference is.
How exactly does one put them on the board in the right pla
Colin D Bennett wrote:
>> Torn off menus work all right over here. This is with debian/wheezy
>> updated yesterday. The libgtk2 package is at version 2.20.1-2
>
> What window manager are you using? I have Gnome with Compiz 0.8.4 here
> on Ubuntu.
metacity 20.30.1, debian package 1:2.30.1-3
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> Thanks for the helpful information. Are ICs and LEDs generally fine to
> wash in water and/or detergent?
Yes, should be fine - but probably a good idea to post wash with
alcohol and certainly give them a good dry.
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On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Colin D Bennett wrote:
> I'm trying to make a board with a moderate number of LEDs arranged in
> concentric circles. To do this, I am trying to formulate a pcb command
> script that will perform all the necessary operations to do this.
>
> The basics are working,
> How exactly does one put them on the board in the right place without
> doing it manually for each element?
Like this...
LoadFrom(Layout,powermeter-blank.pcb)
LoadFrom(LayoutToBuffer,channel1.pcb)
. . .
PasteBuffer(ToLayout,0,3)
RenumberBuffer(0,10)
PasteBuffer(ToLayout,0,8)
RenumberBu
On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 22:14:49 +0100
Kai-Martin Knaak wrote:
> DJ Delorie wrote:
>
> > Or write a plugin that does a MoveComponent()
>
> A MoveComponent() action would be a major step toward general
> scriptability. IMHO, this should be part of the core, not as a
> volatile plugin.
Is there som
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:18:48PM -0500, DJ Delorie wrote:
>
> > A MoveComponent() action would be a major step toward general
> > scriptability. IMHO, this should be part of the core, not as a
> > volatile plugin.
>
> If you'd like to do the patch, go for it. Otherwise, a plugin gets
> him a s
On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 16:18:48 -0500
DJ Delorie wrote:
> > A MoveComponent() action would be a major step toward general
> > scriptability. IMHO, this should be part of the core, not as a
> > volatile plugin.
>
> If you'd like to do the patch, go for it. Otherwise, a plugin gets
> him a solution
So am I getting this right?
Step 1. Flux Remover
Step 2. Wash with soap and water (dish soap)
Step 3. Wash with Isopropyl Alcohol
Step 4. Dry
That should leave me with a nice clean board correct? Assume I have a
high mineral content tap water.
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Stephen Ecob
wrote
Mark Rages writes:
> You would be wise to avoid PCB for anything non-rectangular. It is
> exceedingly painful.
I do recommend pcb for anything non-rectangular. The arcs can be nicely
done in gnumeric, python, awk, whatever. With a gui this will be
difficult.
For example the outline of the bo
I just got a board back from DorkbotPDX. You can't beat it! $5 per
square inch for 2-layer and new batches going out pretty much every
week. You get 3 boards and the quality is great!
Not to mention shipping is included AND no setup fees; strickly
$5/square inch!
Just wan
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 8:46 AM, yamazakir2 wrote:
> So am I getting this right?
>
> Step 1. Flux Remover
> Step 2. Wash with soap and water (dish soap)
> Step 3. Wash with Isopropyl Alcohol
> Step 4. Dry
Yes, if the water has low mineral content.
> That should leave me with a nice clean board c
Can I use this instead of distilled water?
http://www.mgchemicals.com/products/406b.html
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Stephen Ecob
wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 8:46 AM, yamazakir2 wrote:
>> So am I getting this right?
>>
>> Step 1. Flux Remover
>> Step 2. Wash with soap and water (dish
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 9:34 AM, yamazakir2 wrote:
> Can I use this instead of distilled water?
>
> http://www.mgchemicals.com/products/406b.html
Looks like you could use it after IPA for cleaning off rosin type
fluxes. Could be worth a try.
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Minimum quantity? Lead time? Mask and silk?
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Rob Butts wrote:
> I just got a board back from DorkbotPDX. You can't beat it! $5 per
> square inch for 2-layer and new batches going out pretty much every
> week. You get 3 boards and the quality is great!
>
>
Thanks for your all your help guys.
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Stephen Ecob
wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 9:34 AM, yamazakir2 wrote:
>> Can I use this instead of distilled water?
>>
>> http://www.mgchemicals.com/products/406b.html
>
> Looks like you could use it after IPA for cleaning o
Minimum of 3 boards. Lead time is just about two weeks from going to
fab; for example I submitted my board around Feb 2 to be included in
the Feb 7 panel and I got 3 boards back in the mail on Feb 21 (that was
with all the shipping delays due to snow). It has solder mask on both
si
I would say that's fairly cheap, but the lead time is a little meh.
Thanks for the info though, might use it in the future.
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Rob Butts wrote:
> Minimum of 3 boards. Lead time is just about two weeks from going to
> fab; for example I submitted my board around
On Wed, 2011-02-23 at 13:20 -0800, Colin D Bennett wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 22:14:49 +0100
> Kai-Martin Knaak wrote:
>
> > DJ Delorie wrote:
> >
> > > Or write a plugin that does a MoveComponent()
> >
> > A MoveComponent() action would be a major step toward general
> > scriptability. IMHO
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Stephan Boettcher
wrote:
> Mark Rages writes:
>
>> You would be wise to avoid PCB for anything non-rectangular. It is
>> exceedingly painful.
>
> I do recommend pcb for anything non-rectangular. The arcs can be nicely
> done in gnumeric, python, awk, whatever.
On 02/23/2011 02:20 PM, yamazakir2 wrote:
Is
water soluble flux better (for cleaning)?
The salesman from Nordson EFD (electronic fluid dispensing) said so.
They sell the systems for medium volume where you use paste dispensing instead
of
or to augment solder paste masks, so you can do a few
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 2:38 PM, yamazakir2 wrote:
> After you get done soldering and fluxing up your board to solder a lot
> of SMT components, what do you guys use to get it looking flux-free
> and clean again? I tried MG Chemical flux remove and while it does
> remove the flux, after washing it
Stephan Boettcher wrote:
> For example the outline of the board on the attached picture
This looks nice.
How about a Ben mode rendered image of this layout on the gallery
of gpleda.org? (Ideally augmented with the shadow effect of image
magick)
> (which will launch into space later this ye
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Rob Butts wrote:
> I just got a board back from DorkbotPDX. You can't beat it! $5 per
> square inch for 2-layer and new batches going out pretty much every
> week. You get 3 boards and the quality is great!
>
>
>
> Not to mention shipping is included AND
On 02/23/2011 03:49 PM, Stephan Boettcher wrote:
For example the outline of the board on the attached picture
Looks like a sea urchin! Yay non-GUI!
JG
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Hi.
If I try to recompile plugins like teardrops by DJ, I run into trouble.
With gcc command like recommended in http://www.delorie.com/pcb/teardrops/ :
/
$ gcc -I /usr/local/pcb-src/pcb/ -I /usr/local/bin -O2 -shared teardrops.c -o
teardrops.so
teardrops.c:13:20: erro
Changelog says...
Split usage of "max_layer" into max_copper_layer and max_group
PCB has an equal number of layer groups as copper layers, so
the "max_layer" #define'd variable has been used throught the
codebase . . .
Hi.
I'd love to use the smartdisperse plugin by Ben Jackson for my
current project (component count 1755). Compile was fine except
for one of these pointer warnings c is infamous for:
/---
$ gcc -I /usr/local/pcb-src/pcjc2/ -I /usr/local/pcb-src/pcjc2/src/ -I
/usr/local/bin -O2 -s
Changelog says... nothing! :-P
git says...
commit 0c62fca0df9bd9ebe7bedfbee0af3502e4298a42
Author: Peter Clifton
Date: Tue Dec 7 01:47:28 2010 +
Remove My* memory allocation routines. Just use the standard APIs directly
This means the following changes:
1. Repl
On 02/23/2011 01:39 PM, John Griessen wrote:
On 02/23/2011 01:20 PM, John Griessen wrote:
I wasn't reporting CPU time right though, top TIME+ uses minutes, and I needed
to
subtract the time when I start to be meaningful. It's more like 5 or 6 minutes
of top TIME+, but only 1.5 minutes wall clo
So DJ's teardrop plugin and Ben Jackson's smartdisperse plugin are now
both broken because of changes made to PCB head in the last few
months.
This raises a question for me - should these plugins be incorporated
into PCB head ?
These plugins were written before I joined this list, has the
rationale
> This raises a question for me - should these plugins be incorporated
> into PCB head ?
Maybe, maybe not.
> These plugins were written before I joined this list, has the
> rationale for keeping them separate vs. incorporating them into head
> been thoroughly discussed ?
The policy is that we a
DJ Delorie wrote:
> 1. Replace all calls to MyCalloc() with calls to calloc()
It is not that easy.
MyCalloc() has three arguments but calloc() just asks for two.
Meaning, I'll have to understand the code... =:)
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The extra parameter is a string to use to tag the call, for debugging.
Just omit it.
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On 02/23/2011 09:09 PM, John Griessen wrote:
==32105== Whatever the reason, Valgrind cannot continue. Sorry.
Seems like the problem may not even be related to pcb...
But it's triggered by pcb. The swap amount grows fast at first, then when
about 3GB of RAm is used the rate slows to only
DJ Delorie wrote:
> The extra parameter is a string to use to tag the call, for debugging.
> Just omit it.
Thanks!
Now, the plugin works (and your teardrops plugin, too).
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> The policy is that we allow anyone to write plugins for their own use,
> and if they want to share them, they may. I see no reason to require
> authors to contribute their plugins to the core pcb code if they do
> not wish to.
I don't want to /require/ anyone to do anything :) Both plugins are
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote:
> DJ Delorie wrote:
>
>> The extra parameter is a string to use to tag the call, for debugging.
>> Just omit it.
>
> Thanks!
> Now, the plugin works (and your teardrops plugin, too).
License allowing, can you please post the fixed plugins s
DJ Delorie wrote:
> The policy is that we allow anyone to write plugins for their own use,
> and if they want to share them, they may. I see no reason to require
> authors to contribute their plugins to the core pcb code if they do
> not wish to.
So it is up to the authors. Coincidentally, you a
Mark Rages wrote:
> License allowing, can you please post the fixed plugins somewhere?
The necessary modifications are simple one-liners.
Both are plugins are GPL, so here you go:
http://lilalaser.de/tmp/smartdisperse.c
http://lilalaser.de/tmp/teardrops.c
> Also, while on the su
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 05:01:33AM +0100, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote:
> Mark Rages wrote:
>
> > License allowing, can you please post the fixed plugins somewhere?
>
> The necessary modifications are simple one-liners.
> Both are plugins are GPL, so here you go:
> http://lilalaser.de/tmp/smartdi
Hi!
I prepare patch for new grid management, if you're interested please test
it:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/pcb/+bug/724154
Thanks
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