age, which is different
> than the (possibly simple) commit messages above? Is that done after I've
> pulled my local branch into my master? ...or before? ...or during the
> merge over?
I do it at rebase -i time along with the squash of the series.
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r of different possbilities here. You get to chose
based onm how you like your histiry to look.
Discussion of my choice is here:
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u face a choice between being a community that is about shipping code
and one that is embroiled in perpetual controversy over who gets to
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s clear that the amount of social friction
oroduced by attempts to eject the jerks will be far higher than if
you simply continued to tolerate them.
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of natural equilibrium in a two- or molti-player game, such that
when you move away from it all parties' decision costs go way up.)
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Joseph Myers :
> On Wed, 14 Apr 2021, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
>
> > I'm not judging RMS's behavior (or anyone else's) one way or
> > another. I am simply pointing out that there is a Schelling point in
> > possible community norms that is well expressed as
hipping good code.
Complaints need to be discounted accordingly, to a degree that would
not have been required before the development of a self-reinforcing
culture of complaint and rage-mobbing around 2014.
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Adrian via Gcc :
> Eric S. Raymond :
> > there is actually a value conflict between being "welcoming" in that
> sense and the actual purpose of this list, which is to ship code.
>
> Speaking as a "high functioning autist", I'm aware of the diff
a
galloping moral panic that somehow justifies stoning RMS and driving
him out of the village?
*grumble* Get *over* yourselves. You want to be "welcoming" to
women? Don't patronize or infantilize them - respect their ability to
tell off RMS for themselves *and then keep working with him*!
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e as a whole to treat the profit-centered parts of the
economy as allies rather than enemies.
I won't say that a *majority* of us were resistent to this, but I
did have to work hard on the problem for a while, between 1997
and about 2003.
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aling of no help to anyone.
If I needed more evidence that many Americans lead pampered,
cossetted, hyper-insulated lives that require them to make up their
own drama, this whole flap would be it.
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t to continue this thread take it off the
> GCC mailing list.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ian
Welcome to the consequences of abandoning "You shall judge by the code alone."
This is what it will be like, *forever*, until you reassert that norm.
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scoped the job.
In the mean time, I'm enclosing a contributor map that will need to be
filled in whoever does the conversion. The right sides should become
full names and preferred email addresses.
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thomas = thomas
mmitch
st
before.
The best way to fill in that map probably starts with grepping all the
>From lines out of your mail archives. Once you sort | uniq those and
weed out older addresses you want to ignore, a script to fill in the map using
that data should not be difficult to write.
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Florian Weimer :
> * Eric S. Raymond:
>
> > Florian Weimer :
> >> Thanks for your offer for working on this. (I actually brought up
> >> your name at the Cauldron. :)
> >>
> >> Can your tools handle changes in preferred email addresses over ti
Segher Boessenkool :
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 12:26:25PM -0400, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
> > One way to do it would be to mine the list archives for not just names
> > but name-date pairs. With a little scripting work that could be processed
> > into a sequence of map files,
Markus Trippelsdorf :
> On 2015.08.23 at 11:36 -0500, Segher Boessenkool wrote:
> > On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 12:26:25PM -0400, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
> > > One way to do it would be to mine the list archives for not just names
> > > but name-date pairs. With a little s
gelog commits...
> do you have a script to scan those?
No. I'll take a look. That sounds feasible.
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random strings of hex digits in working memory. Besides, hashes
will break if the history is ever moved to another VCS or the repository
has to be surgically altered.
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the map I used when converting gdb.
> There is a lot of overlap between the sets of contributors.
>
> See the file "Total-merged-user-map" here:
>
> https://github.com/tromey/gdb-git-migration
>
> Tom
Thanks!
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tes wide - SMP is no help here and you
want extra-large primary memory caches. On this hardware, conversion
runs will merely be painfully slow rather than die-of-old-age
interminable.
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Joseph Myers :
> FWIW, Jason's own trial conversion with reposurgeon got up to at least
> 45GB memory consumption on a 32GB repository.
I have no trouble believing that at *all*.
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#x27;t work at all, because git-svn won't.
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ribing and
should remain valid and scrutable in the future under any reasonable
transformation of the repository.
Jason should make the policy decision, but this is what I recommend.
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Jonathan Wakely :
> On 26 August 2015 at 16:52, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
> > I believe I'm down to only 34 unidentified contributors out of 290.
> >
> > Could someone send me a copy of the password file (or at least the
> > username and gecos fields) for the
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Jeff Law :
> On 08/26/2015 01:31 PM, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
> >>mib = mib
> Michael Bushnell. Aagain, not active in forever. m...@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu
> probably doesn't work anymore.
>
> >miles = miles
> Miles Bader. mi...@gnu.ai.mit.edu
>
> >
Ian Lance Taylor :
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Jeff Law wrote:
> > On 08/26/2015 01:31 PM, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
> >>>
> >>> mib = mib
> >
> > Michael Bushnell. Aagain, not active in forever. m...@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu
> > probably doe
Joseph Myers :
> On Wed, 26 Aug 2015, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
>
> > After comparing with the Subversion hists, passswd file, the are 30
> > unknowns left. Can anyone identify any of these?
> >
> > aluchko = aluchko
>
> Aaron Luchko
Aha. I thought th
Joseph Myers :
> On Wed, 26 Aug 2015, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
>
> > I'm a little worried about a couple of commits getting misattributed
> > because usernames got retired and reused. I now have
> >
> > ralph = Ralph Loader
> >
> > but my Google se
made to attract female
hackers to the project? Is there a prevailing theory about why they
showed up in comparatively large numbers?
It would be interesting to know what, if any specific thing, was done
right here...
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;s Dave Love). Francois-Xavier has
> always gone by fxcoudert.
Address?
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Ian Lance Taylor :
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
>
> > root = root
>
> Hmmm. root. This was probably Danny Berlin logged into the root
> account on sourceware.
>
> Ian
OK.
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Ian Lance Taylor :
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
> >
> > aluchko = aluchko
>
> Aaron Luchko (was ).
Agrees with other submissions and my own research.
> > bo = bo
>
> Bo Thorsen (was ).
I have for him, but "sonofthor&quo
th other sources.
> This time (except for fx, which I found through egcs-cvs archives from
> 1998), I grepped the ,v files of the gcc2 repository to find commits and
> cross-referenced with ChangeLogs in GCC 2.8.1 to find log entries at the
> right time. Email addresses are even
omething a bit unusual
and wonders what the causation is.
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Ian Lance Taylor :
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
> > Joseph Myers :
> >> > cks = cks
> >>
> >> Chris Smith
> >
> > OK, we have a disagreement. Ian thinks this was
> >
> > cks = Chris Smight
>
>
.
I'll have one up within a few days. After the additional RAM arrives.
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Peter Bergner :
> On Wed, 2015-08-26 at 16:35 -0400, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
> > Joseph Myers :
> > > > irar = irar
> > >
> > > Ira Rosen
> >
> > I pretty much knew these two guys went with these two names, but couldn't
> > figure ou
ut
in English it is AFAIK only given to males.
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o set the Author header.
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er polishing
described in the Migration HOWTO.
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I've made it available at:
http://thyrsus.com/gitweb/?p=gcc-conversion.git
The interesting content is gcc.map (the contributor map) and gcc.lift.
Presently the only command in gcc.lift expunges the hooks directory.
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xcoudert = François-Xavier Coudert
Done.
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ections.
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person was committing to GCC and EGCS under two different
usernames.
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tever bug allowed it.
This seems very likely to get dropped diring cleanup.
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email IDs.
When I can "make stubmap" on a full conversion this should be easy
to fix up.
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Paulo Matos :
> I noticed I am not on the list (check commit r225509, user pmatos) either.
>
> And thanks for your help on this transition.
I've added you to the map.
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jb, burnus, dfranke, domo, mikael, janus
OK, I've added them to the map.
I think what must have happened is that I made my intial stub map from
an incomplete mirror, so some names that are in passwd never made it in.
This should be easy to fix.
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FX :
> PS: I found one username that first escaped my scripts because it contained a
> period, so I am raising a flag here, so the same doesn’t happen to you:
> m.hayes (commit 34779).
I have that one, thanks.
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r example.
Do you know a full name for this person?
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James Greenhalgh :
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 03:38:10PM +0100, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
> > I've made it available at:
> >
> > http://thyrsus.com/gitweb/?p=gcc-conversion.git
> >
> > The interesting content is gcc.map (the contributor map) and gcc.lift.
Joel Sherrill :
>
>
> On 8/27/2015 11:03 AM, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
> >Paulo Matos :
> >>I noticed I am not on the list (check commit r225509, user pmatos) either.
> >>
> >>And thanks for your help on this transition.
> >
> >I've add
Joseph Myers :
> On Wed, 26 Aug 2015, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
>
> > > Although a few accounts may have been deleted on sourceware, and
> > > conceivably account names could have been reused after such deletion,
> > > it's
> > > the parts of the hi
David Edelsohn :
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
> > Joseph Myers :
> >> Where someone is listed in MAINTAINERS, I suggest preferring that email
> >> address over any older address you may have got from ChangeLogs etc.
> >> (unle
ll's list later in the thread probably covers these.
I'll merge it.
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> > fp = fp
> > rolfh = rolfh
>
> This message didn't seem to reach the mailing list ... you'd better
> cross-reference your list with Eric's, it's more complete (it has exactly
> the number of entries I expect based on examining the repository, 569),
> but various email addresses are different.
I will merge this.
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Richard Earnshaw :
> On 27/08/15 17:03, Richard Earnshaw wrote:
> > On 27/08/15 16:48, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
> >
> >> If the former, then I don't know why they're not in the map. It contains
> >> an entry for every distinct Unix username it could ex
Joseph Myers :
> On Thu, 27 Aug 2015, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
>
> > > In the gcc2 repository, dje was Doug Evans (this includes commits on
> > > premerge-fsf-branch, not just the early part of trunk). In the
> > > repository
> > > that started as
most everything I needed.
Googling on "gcc krab" turns up references to Kresten Krab Thorup and
nobody else. Unless someone has contrary evidence it looks like dle
is indeed our only exception.
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against this, but policy decisions are not mine to make.
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Joseph Myers :
> So rolfh corresponds to Arne H. Juul as author, whoever the committer
> might have been, and so that seems to be the best mapping for that
> username.
Agreed.
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thon extension to reposurgeon,
and that somebody would probably have to be me. It seems like a lot
of work to do something that throws away having a 1:1 ID to contributor
mapping.
Is there any way to identify changes to a port by the paths of the
modified filenames? If so, this would get much easier.
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For the curios, here's what it looks like to deal with this in reposurgeon:
authors read ..<14639> & /master/b) | /premerge-fsf-branch/b assign gcc2
authors read <
EOF
~ authors read <
EOF
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Joseph Myers :
> On Thu, 27 Aug 2015, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
>
> > For the curios, here's what it looks like to deal with this in reposurgeon:
> >
> > authors read >
> > # Deal with the one ambiguous username.
> > (<1>..<14639> &
might want to improve reposurgeon to handle this pattern directly.
Look closely at branchify_map. I think we may be able to use it to get the
effect you want.
Is 'jason' your preferred username everywhere? I'll set up write access
to the conversion-machinery repo for you if you like.
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Peter Bergner :
> On Thu, 2015-08-27 at 10:38 -0400, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
> > I've made it available at:
> >
> > http://thyrsus.com/gitweb/?p=gcc-conversion.git
> >
> > The interesting content is gcc.map (the contributor map) and gcc.lift.
> >
Joseph Myers :
> There's at least one case of a contributor who changed their name where
> you have the old name instead of the new one: Richard Guenther -> Richard
> Biener.
Is
rguenth = Richard Biener
correct?
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Aldy Hernandez :
> "Eric S. Raymond" writes:
>
> > The remaining list is pretty short:
> >
> > bson = bson
>
> I worked on a project together with a Jan Brittenson a very long time
> ago. He worked on GNU finger, and some bytecode representa
tells mme differently; odds are it will
outlast any individual job.
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Joseph Myers :
> (if someone appears with multiple usernames, probably make their address
>consistent for all of them unless specifically requested otherwise)
I am attemoting to do that.
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Jeff Law :
> Given that I worked for Cygnus and still work with Red Hat, I can make a
> pass over all the @cygnus.com addresses and probably give something more
> up-to-date for most of them if that's useful.
That would be *very* useful.
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Peter Bergner :
> On Fri, 2015-08-28 at 11:00 -0400, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
> > Peter Bergner :
> > > On Thu, 2015-08-27 at 10:38 -0400, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
> > > > I've made it available at:
> > > >
> > > > http://thyrsus.com/gi
#x27;paste errors. Given a contrib map, repomapper -u can do it
all in one go.
If you don't know a current address for the person, we'll just leave the
redhat one in place - best we can do.
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e
OpenHub they're at least better than nothing.
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Jason Merrill :
> On 08/26/2015 01:11 PM, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
> >What I usually do with old commit references in comments is map them
> >to what I call an "action stamp" - a user ID followed by an RFC3339
> >date. While this is theoretically not quite adequate
That's the good news. The bad news is, it took around 36 hours.
This is gonna be a long epic.
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Rainer Orth :
> The current entry
>
> ro = Rainer Orth
>
> lists my old email address. Please use r...@cebitec.uni-bielefeld.de
> instead.
Done.
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ng
a service to the world if you wrote a little shellscript that set these up,
with short explanatory comments reveraling what each is to be used for, like
this:
# sco - check out most recent commit with specified action stamp
I'd add that to the reposurgeon distribution in a heartbeat.
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anyway
to tweak comments that don't have git-style summary lines into shape, so
fixing typos is not much additional work.
What kind of mechanical transformation or hand-editing would add value for you?
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e GCC repo has about 2.5x the comment bulk of NetBSD.
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else is willing
to digest the gcc-patches archives into committer/date/subject-line
triples I'll see what I can do.
> Thanks; hope this is constructive
Yes, very much the sort of thing I was looking for.
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ating or appending to an
[alias] section in ~/.gitconfig?
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support it wouldn't be very
difficult.
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d
> somehow them try to locate them (perhaps within a rough date "window").
>
> Does this seem like a viable approach?
I think it's as good as we're likely to get given the data available.
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shmeel gutl :
> On 01-Sep-15 01:54 PM, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
> >What kind of mechanical transformation or hand-editing would add value for
> >you?
> I am working from a clone of the current git repository. Is there an
> automated procedure that will enable me to switch to t
ress in the ChangeLog comment. In fact this is the exact problem we
started out trying to solve.
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to try writing the program to do this data analysis, go right
ahead. Somebody would have to pay me real money to try.
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l info, and assumed it would be more or less
> trivial to add such sed-greping.
reposurgeon can do a lot, including regexp search-replace on
metadata or the content blobs. The problem is knowing what transfornations
to write.
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ing like that, yes, the mapping to reposurgeonm commands
would be easy.
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Joseph Myers :
> On Thu, 27 Aug 2015, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
>
> > I've made it available at:
> >
> > http://thyrsus.com/gitweb/?p=gcc-conversion.git
>
> What happened with this repository? Is it somewhere else now? Pulling in
> my clone of git://thyrs
Joseph Myers :
> On Thu, 6 Oct 2016, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
>
> > I thought the gcc conversion was done.
> >
> > I can make the repository available again if it's needed.
>
> The conversion got stalled (I'm not sure why; maybe just Jason being busy
&g
you had gotten past it.
I'll get back on this. I still have your bug report in my back mail; the
first thing I need to do is fix that. Can't promise immediate action, I'm
preparing for the 1.0 release of NTPsec (spent the last week mostly
clearing our issue list) but now that I know this is unfinished I won't
drop it until it is.
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number, make your
matcher grind out a set of reposurgeon commands that patches the attributions
appropriately. Apply. By careful to add a predicate check that prevents
each transformation from applying if the date matches more than one commit;
those two will have to be treated as residuals and hand-patched.
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y at what it would take to recover this information
from the Emacs history, which is why I had the steps worked out in
such detail. Having researched the matter, I did *not* offer to
actually add this wrinkle when I did their conversion...
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