Re: History of GCC

2016-10-26 Thread Will Hawkins
On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 2:23 PM, Eric Gallager wrote: > On 10/26/16, Ian Lance Taylor wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 9:31 AM, Will Hawkins wrote: >>> >>> Thank you for your response! I don't think that there has to be >>> controversy to be interesting. Obviously that split/reunification was >

Re: History of GCC

2016-10-26 Thread Eric Gallager
On 10/26/16, Ian Lance Taylor wrote: > On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 9:31 AM, Will Hawkins wrote: >> >> Thank you for your response! I don't think that there has to be >> controversy to be interesting. Obviously that split/reunification was >> important, but I think that there might even be some value

Re: History of GCC

2016-10-26 Thread David Edelsohn
On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 1:49 PM, Ed Smith-Rowland <3dw...@verizon.net> wrote: > On 10/26/2016 01:17 PM, Will Hawkins wrote: >> >> On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Ian Lance Taylor wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 9:31 AM, Will Hawkins wrote: Thank you for your response! I don't th

Re: History of GCC

2016-10-26 Thread Ed Smith-Rowland
On 10/26/2016 12:31 PM, Will Hawkins wrote: On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 9:07 AM, Ian Lance Taylor wrote: On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:53 PM, Will Hawkins wrote: My name is Will Hawkins and I am a longtime user of gcc and admirer of the project. I hope that this is the proper forum for the question

Re: History of GCC

2016-10-26 Thread Ian Lance Taylor
On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 10:28 AM, Richard Kenner wrote: >> The Ada frontend was developed at AdaCore. > > The Ada frontend was developed at NYU, as an Air Force-funded project > to show that Ada95 (then called Ada9X) was implementable. AdaCore was > later formed once that was complete to provide

Re: History of GCC

2016-10-26 Thread Ed Smith-Rowland
On 10/26/2016 01:17 PM, Will Hawkins wrote: On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Ian Lance Taylor wrote: On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 9:31 AM, Will Hawkins wrote: Thank you for your response! I don't think that there has to be controversy to be interesting. Obviously that split/reunification was impor

Re: History of GCC

2016-10-26 Thread Prathamesh Kulkarni
On 26 October 2016 at 11:23, Will Hawkins wrote: > Hello everyone! > > My name is Will Hawkins and I am a longtime user of gcc and admirer of > the project. I hope that this is the proper forum for the question I > am going to ask. If it isn't, please accept my apology and ignore me. > > I am a re

Re: History of GCC

2016-10-26 Thread Richard Kenner
> I don't think that employer interests have led to any significant > conflicts between employer interests and project interests. It's sort > of hard to say, though, because in effect employer interests have > become project interests. And indeed many people who've been working on GCC for a lon

Re: History of GCC

2016-10-26 Thread Will Hawkins
On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Richard Kenner wrote: >> The Ada frontend was developed at AdaCore. > > The Ada frontend was developed at NYU, as an Air Force-funded project > to show that Ada95 (then called Ada9X) was implementable. AdaCore was > later formed once that was complete to provide c

Re: History of GCC

2016-10-26 Thread Richard Kenner
> The Ada frontend was developed at AdaCore. The Ada frontend was developed at NYU, as an Air Force-funded project to show that Ada95 (then called Ada9X) was implementable. AdaCore was later formed once that was complete to provide commercial support for the Ada compiler. The members of that NYU

Re: History of GCC

2016-10-26 Thread Ian Lance Taylor
On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Will Hawkins wrote: > > Wow, thanks Ian! This is awesome stuff! As I read through it, I may > have some additional questions. If I do, would you mind if I emailed > you directly? Thanks again for taking the time to write all this down! > Fascinating! I would pref

Re: History of GCC

2016-10-26 Thread Ian Lance Taylor
On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 9:35 AM, Will Hawkins wrote: > > Can any of you recall a turning point where development went from > being driven by hobbyists to being driven by career developers? As a > result of that shift, has there been a change in the project's > priorities? Have there been conflicts

Re: History of GCC

2016-10-26 Thread Will Hawkins
On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Ian Lance Taylor wrote: > On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 9:31 AM, Will Hawkins wrote: >> >> Thank you for your response! I don't think that there has to be >> controversy to be interesting. Obviously that split/reunification was >> important, but I think that there might

Re: History of GCC

2016-10-26 Thread Will Hawkins
On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 06:57:31PM +0200, Marek Polacek wrote: >> I think you can learn a lot if you follow the Changes pages, so e.g. >> , and go back down the history until >> you reach the ancient

Re: History of GCC

2016-10-26 Thread Ian Lance Taylor
On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 9:31 AM, Will Hawkins wrote: > > Thank you for your response! I don't think that there has to be > controversy to be interesting. Obviously that split/reunification was > important, but I think that there might even be some value in > documenting the minutia of the project'

Re: History of GCC

2016-10-26 Thread Jakub Jelinek
On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 06:57:31PM +0200, Marek Polacek wrote: > I think you can learn a lot if you follow the Changes pages, so e.g. > , and go back down the history until > you reach the ancient . Even older releas

Re: History of GCC

2016-10-26 Thread Marek Polacek
I think you can learn a lot if you follow the Changes pages, so e.g. , and go back down the history until you reach the ancient . Marek

Re: History of GCC

2016-10-26 Thread Will Hawkins
On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Jeff Law wrote: > On 10/26/2016 07:07 AM, Ian Lance Taylor wrote: >> >> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:53 PM, Will Hawkins wrote: >>> >>> >>> My name is Will Hawkins and I am a longtime user of gcc and admirer of >>> the project. I hope that this is the proper forum

Re: History of GCC

2016-10-26 Thread Will Hawkins
On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 9:07 AM, Ian Lance Taylor wrote: > On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:53 PM, Will Hawkins wrote: >> >> My name is Will Hawkins and I am a longtime user of gcc and admirer of >> the project. I hope that this is the proper forum for the question I >> am going to ask. If it isn't, pl

Re: History of GCC

2016-10-26 Thread Jeff Law
On 10/26/2016 07:07 AM, Ian Lance Taylor wrote: On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:53 PM, Will Hawkins wrote: My name is Will Hawkins and I am a longtime user of gcc and admirer of the project. I hope that this is the proper forum for the question I am going to ask. If it isn't, please accept my apolo

Re: History of GCC

2016-10-26 Thread Joel Sherrill
On October 26, 2016 9:07:16 AM EDT, Ian Lance Taylor wrote: >On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:53 PM, Will Hawkins >wrote: >> >> My name is Will Hawkins and I am a longtime user of gcc and admirer >of >> the project. I hope that this is the proper forum for the question I >> am going to ask. If it isn

Re: History of GCC

2016-10-26 Thread Ian Lance Taylor
On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:53 PM, Will Hawkins wrote: > > My name is Will Hawkins and I am a longtime user of gcc and admirer of > the project. I hope that this is the proper forum for the question I > am going to ask. If it isn't, please accept my apology and ignore me. > > I am a real geek and I