Re: Original commit history for gfortran

2011-06-20 Thread Toon Moene
On 06/20/2011 03:22 PM, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 12:44:06PM +0200, Tobias Burnus wrote: compiler. [Personal observation: On x86-64, gfortran is everywhere installed, the Intel compiler is very often, on two systems I also saw PGI - but I have never seen PathScale.] w

Re: Original commit history for gfortran

2011-06-20 Thread Anton Shterenlikht
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 12:44:06PM +0200, Tobias Burnus wrote: > > compiler. [Personal observation: On x86-64, gfortran is everywhere > installed, the Intel compiler is very often, on two systems I also saw > PGI - but I have never seen PathScale.] we use it: https://www.acrc.bris.ac.uk/acrc/p

Re: Original commit history for gfortran

2011-06-20 Thread Anton Shterenlikht
On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 11:04:09PM +0700, "C. Bergstr?m" wrote: > 3) Fortran HPC community as a whole - The majority of Fortran users I > know work in or around HPC. (I may be biased) With that I can't say > most of them care about open source at all. (Some do) They buy/use > PathScale/PGI/I

Re: Original commit history for gfortran

2011-06-20 Thread Tobias Burnus
On 06/19/2011 06:04 PM, "C. Bergström" wrote: 3) Fortran HPC community as a whole - The majority of Fortran users I know work in or around HPC. (I may be biased) With that I can't say most of them care about open source at all. (Some do) They buy/use PathScale/PGI/Intel and for the larger l

Re: Original commit history for gfortran

2011-06-19 Thread Steven Bosscher
On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 21:32:25 +0200, "Mikael Morin" wrote: > I personally see no problem gfortran being reused in pathscale's compiler as > long as pathscale's contribution is libre (free). It can even improve code > quality to make gfortran backend independant (probably not much as the IR > generat

Re: Original commit history for gfortran

2011-06-19 Thread Ian Lance Taylor
"C. Bergström" writes: > 1) What's wrong with commercial software? I don't want to get into licensing fight, and I don't know anything about the history of the Fortran frontend, but I do want to suggest a correction to your wording. I'm not aware of any GCC contributor who thinks there is anyth

Re: Original commit history for gfortran

2011-06-19 Thread Mikael Morin
On Sunday 19 June 2011 20:30:17 Christopher Bergström wrote: > Nothing cloudy > > 1) Vet the codebase (stated this clearly) > 2) Listen to what people say - (What needs to be worked on, are people > open to things like dual licensing, what's the future of Fortran, > etc..) > > For whatever reason

Re: Original commit history for gfortran

2011-06-19 Thread Christopher Bergström
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Janus Weil wrote: > 2011/6/19 "C. Bergström" : >> In this case I serve the end user/community and not directly open source. >>  Why?  Would it be good for Fortran if a F2K3 front-end was freely available >> under a commercially friendly license?  (This is a deeper

Re: Original commit history for gfortran

2011-06-19 Thread Tobias Schlüter
Hi all, I'm sorry if I made this turn into a discussion of the benefits of Free Software, just two short points ... On 2011-06-19 18:58, Steve Kargl wrote: On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 11:04:09PM +0700, "C. Bergstr?m" wrote: Andy started the project and at the time of the fork still was the majo

Re: Original commit history for gfortran

2011-06-19 Thread Janus Weil
2011/6/19 "C. Bergström" : > In this case I serve the end user/community and not directly open source. >  Why?  Would it be good for Fortran if a F2K3 front-end was freely available > under a commercially friendly license?  (This is a deeper question I'd love > feedback on) From my point of view a

Re: Original commit history for gfortran

2011-06-19 Thread Steve Kargl
On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 11:04:09PM +0700, "C. Bergstr?m" wrote: > > > I can't say I really care about Andy's alleged copyright infringement. > (My general point on matters like this is litigate or shut up. We're > all here to get work done and licensing (licensing trolls and I don't > mean y

Re: Original commit history for gfortran

2011-06-19 Thread C. Bergström
On 06/19/11 10:03 PM, Tobias Schlüter wrote: Hi Christopher, On 2011-06-18 14:39, "C. Bergström" wrote: On 06/18/11 05:16 PM, Toon Moene wrote: On 06/18/2011 12:12 PM, Toon Moene wrote: On 06/18/2011 05:05 AM, Christopher Bergström wrote: Hi We're in the process of considering contribut

Re: Original commit history for gfortran

2011-06-19 Thread Tobias Schlüter
Hi Christopher, On 2011-06-18 14:39, "C. Bergström" wrote: On 06/18/11 05:16 PM, Toon Moene wrote: On 06/18/2011 12:12 PM, Toon Moene wrote: On 06/18/2011 05:05 AM, Christopher Bergström wrote: Hi We're in the process of considering contributing to gfortran for a special project, but when

Re: Original commit history for gfortran

2011-06-18 Thread Steve Kargl
On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 12:13:25AM +0700, "C. Bergstr?m" wrote: > On 06/18/11 11:41 PM, Steve Kargl wrote: > >Good luck with that endeavor. After the gfortran fork, > >a certain individual would routinely obfusicate the code > >in one of the repositories via gratuitious code motion, > >varaible r

Re: Original commit history for gfortran

2011-06-18 Thread C. Bergström
On 06/18/11 11:41 PM, Steve Kargl wrote: Good luck with that endeavor. After the gfortran fork, a certain individual would routinely obfusicate the code in one of the repositories via gratuitious code motion, varaible renaming, and whitespace munging. This was an attempt to neutered diff. Thi

Re: Original commit history for gfortran

2011-06-18 Thread Steve Kargl
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 06:22:21PM +0700, Christopher Bergstr?m wrote: > 2011/6/18 Toon Moene : > > On 06/18/2011 01:02 PM, "C. Bergstr?m" wrote: > >> On 06/18/11 05:16 PM, Toon Moene wrote: > >>> On 06/18/2011 12:12 PM, Toon Moene wrote: > On 06/18/2011 05:05 AM, Christopher Bergstr?m wrote:

Re: Original commit history for gfortran

2011-06-18 Thread C. Bergström
On 06/18/11 05:16 PM, Toon Moene wrote: On 06/18/2011 12:12 PM, Toon Moene wrote: On 06/18/2011 05:05 AM, Christopher Bergström wrote: Hi We're in the process of considering contributing to gfortran for a special project, but when we started to vet the codebase we hit a bump in lack of comm

Re: Original commit history for gfortran

2011-06-18 Thread Christopher Bergström
2011/6/18 Toon Moene : > On 06/18/2011 01:02 PM, "C. Bergström" wrote: > >> On 06/18/11 05:16 PM, Toon Moene wrote: > >>> On 06/18/2011 12:12 PM, Toon Moene wrote: > >>> On 06/18/2011 05:05 AM, Christopher Bergström wrote: > Hi > > We're in the process of considering contribut

Re: Original commit history for gfortran

2011-06-18 Thread Toon Moene
On 06/18/2011 01:02 PM, "C. Bergström" wrote: On 06/18/11 05:16 PM, Toon Moene wrote: On 06/18/2011 12:12 PM, Toon Moene wrote: On 06/18/2011 05:05 AM, Christopher Bergström wrote: Hi We're in the process of considering contributing to gfortran for a special project, but when we start

Re: Original commit history for gfortran

2011-06-18 Thread C. Bergström
On 06/18/11 05:16 PM, Toon Moene wrote: On 06/18/2011 12:12 PM, Toon Moene wrote: On 06/18/2011 05:05 AM, Christopher Bergström wrote: Hi We're in the process of considering contributing to gfortran for a special project, but when we started to vet the codebase we hit a bump in lack of comm

Re: Original commit history for gfortran

2011-06-18 Thread Toon Moene
On 06/18/2011 12:12 PM, Toon Moene wrote: On 06/18/2011 05:05 AM, Christopher Bergström wrote: Hi We're in the process of considering contributing to gfortran for a special project, but when we started to vet the codebase we hit a bump in lack of commit history. Additional information is he