On Fri, 2007-07-27 at 05:30 -0400, Robert Dewar wrote:
> People asking *language* questions are often told to go
> elsewhere, and that's reasonable. Actually my complaint there
> would be that too often, people on this list answer such off
> topic questions (which is fine), and copy the answers to
On Fri, 27 Jul 2007, Rask Ingemann Lambertsen wrote:
> This part of the documentation is fragmented in a way such that I
> sometimes can't find what I'm looking for, even if I know it is there
> (somewhere). For example, when it comes to submitting patches, we have
> http://gcc.gnu.org/codingcon
On 26 Jul 2007 15:53:09 -0700, Ian Lance Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Joe Buck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > I think that when we do steer someone to a different list, we could
> > take more care to be polite about it than we sometimes are.
>
> I agree. I also think we should all try ha
On Fri, 27 Jul 2007, Phil Edwards wrote:
> Putting gcc-help as the first address mentioned in lists.html is a
> good idea.
That's a good idea. Done thusly.
Gerald
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On Fri, Jul 27, 2007 at 02:51:00PM +0100, Manuel López-Ibáñez wrote:
> On 27/07/07, Rask Ingemann Lambertsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >If you ask me, we should rename gcc@ to gcc-development@ and maybe rename
> > gcc-help@ to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> ... gcc-dev@, keep gcc@ as an alias for gc
So, the idea of a new mailing list does not seem to be too popular. I'm
interested in trying to attract new developers and provide basic
information to get folks started.
The basic motivation was that I've heard from several people both
outside and inside GCC development that we can be a pretty
2007/7/27, Joe Buck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2007 at 04:22:31PM +0200, J.C. Pizarro wrote:
> > The users don't want to join and detach to many mailing lists to post
> > only a message once by week or month. He wants to post quickly,
> > not to post slowly more than 10 minutes.
>
On Fri, Jul 27, 2007 at 04:22:31PM +0200, J.C. Pizarro wrote:
> The users don't want to join and detach to many mailing lists to post
> only a message once by week or month. He wants to post quickly,
> not to post slowly more than 10 minutes.
You're trying to optimize the wrong cost measure.
It's
On 27/07/07, Rask Ingemann Lambertsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2007 at 11:26:22AM +0100, Manuel López-Ibáñez wrote:
> > Just an example. There are people that post patches in bugzilla and
> > they seem interested in getting them integrated but normally they
> > break coding styl
On Fri, Jul 27, 2007 at 11:26:22AM +0100, Manuel López-Ibáñez wrote:
> Just an example. There are people that post patches in bugzilla and
> they seem interested in getting them integrated but normally they
> break coding style or don't have changelog or didn't even run the
> testsuite. Of course,
On 26 Jul 2007, Andrew Pinski wrote:
| On 7/26/07, Diego Novillo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| > >I would like to propose the creation a new mailing list:
| > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| > >
| > >The purpose of this list is to attract and help new GCC developers who
| > >might feel lost and intimidated by
On 27/07/07, Rask Ingemann Lambertsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 05:13:30PM -0400, Diego Novillo wrote:
>
> > I would like to propose the creation a new mailing list:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>IMHO, DJ hit the nail on the head. Those people who can't figure out to
> pos
On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 05:13:30PM -0400, Diego Novillo wrote:
> I would like to propose the creation a new mailing list:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
IMHO, DJ hit the nail on the head. Those people who can't figure out to
post to gcc-help@ instead of gcc@ surely won't figure out to post to
gcc-newbies
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Since I have been around no more than one year, perhaps my perspective
could have some interest for the discussion.
Just an example. There are people that post patches in bugzilla and
they seem interested in getting them integrated but normally they
break coding style
> If we do not manage to answer such mails on gcc@ (due to ressource reasons
> I suppose) than I doubt we will do better on a separate mailinglist. The
> amount of traffic with "newbie" questions is not dominant on gcc@ or
> gcc-patches@ anyway, so I see little point in directing them elsewhere
>
> I am not sure if a new list will help. Some have argued that long time
> developers may be discouraged to participate in such list and that new
> developers would be discouraged from participating in the main list. I
> think both are pretty good arguments.
That's my concern as well. Moreover, h
On 7/27/07, Manuel López-Ibáñez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Another recent example: http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2007-07/msg00456.html
> (Not a single answer).
>
> Summing up, I am not sure whether a separate list would help but in my
> opinion there are a few things that will:
If we do not manage
Since I have been around no more than one year, perhaps my perspective
could have some interest for the discussion.
I am not sure if a new list will help. Some have argued that long time
developers may be discouraged to participate in such list and that new
developers would be discouraged from par
Laurent GUERBY wrote:
On Thu, 2007-07-26 at 17:13 -0400, Diego Novillo wrote:
Or maybe this is not a good idea, but I have certainly seen some folks
that complain about our less than friendly practices.
Alternative would be to keep gcc@ and document that
emails with subject tag [BEGINNER] shou
On Thu, 2007-07-26 at 17:13 -0400, Diego Novillo wrote:
> Or maybe this is not a good idea, but I have certainly seen some folks
> that complain about our less than friendly practices.
Alternative would be to keep gcc@ and document that
emails with subject tag [BEGINNER] should not be answered
by
Joe Buck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I think that when we do steer someone to a different list, we could
> take more care to be polite about it than we sometimes are.
I agree. I also think we should all try harder to avoid flippant or
non-responsive replies to new developers. I think it's imp
David Daney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Between gcc@ and gcc-help@ I think we have it pretty much covered. I
> have not really seen anyone flamed on gcc@ when they ask newbie type
> questions related to GCC development.
I think the risk is not so much that people get flamed, as that they
get n
On 7/26/07, Diego Novillo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I would like to propose the creation a new mailing list:
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >The purpose of this list is to attract and help new GCC developers who
> >might feel lost and intimidated by the more arcane traffic at gcc and
> >gcc-patche
Diego Novillo wrote:
[ Forgot to CC gcc@ in my initial message, thanks Andrew. ]
I would like to propose the creation a new mailing list:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
The purpose of this list is to attract and help new GCC developers who
might feel lost and intimidated by the more arcane traffic at gcc a
Diego Novillo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I would like to propose the creation a new mailing list:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Hi! I'm new at gcc. How do I compile C programs? Can I use it to
write video games?"
> The purpose of this list is to attract and help new GCC developers
"Oh, is that wha
[ Forgot to CC gcc@ in my initial message, thanks Andrew. ]
I would like to propose the creation a new mailing list:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
The purpose of this list is to attract and help new GCC developers who
might feel lost and intimidated by the more arcane traffic at gcc and
gcc-patches. In th
On 7/26/07, Diego Novillo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I would like to propose the creation a new mailing list:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
The purpose of this list is to attract and help new GCC developers who
might feel lost and intimidated by the more arcane traffic at gcc and
gcc-patches. In this list
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