Re: [FRIAM] 8^D

I started trying to pronounce this, and the stuff that started emerging from the twisting shadows as I did was too creepy, so I stopped... On 10/12/20 11:51 AM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote: > Gung erzvaqf zr gung V'ir ybfg zl pnrfne pbqr cyhtva! V'yy unir gb erjevgr vg. > > On 10/12/20 10:44 AM, Stephen Guerin

Re: [FRIAM] Political compass teest

ou well Carl, but from what I do think I know, you > are clearly *very* independent and *very* considerate of others > and their personal freedoms.  That sounds pretty *l*ibertarian to > me FWIW. > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 10:18 AM Steve Smith <mailto:sasm...@swcp.co

[FRIAM] Logo/Ideo/Phono graphic language

gement rather than >> obeisance.    >> >> C >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 9:02 PM Prof David West > <mailto:profw...@fastmail.fm>> wrote: >> >> >> Carl is very Japanese and mast

Re: [FRIAM] Logo/Ideo/Phono graphic language

e last question is even better and I will have some thoughts there > later, but as I say, busy week. > > C > > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 9:32 AM Steve Smith <mailto:sasm...@swcp.com>> wrote: > > We obviously have at least two Japanophiles here... > >

Re: [FRIAM] SIR+HD model in JavaScript + Herd Immunity question.

ooderson wrote: > I was just looking back for a previous conversation about herd > immunity and came across what seems to be an accurate prediction from > Steve Smith. > > My post-apocalyptic novel might include a study on this:   What if > the Blue States mitigate hard and fas

Re: [FRIAM] SIR+HD model in JavaScript + Herd Immunity question.

ooderson wrote: > I was just looking back for a previous conversation about herd > immunity and came across what seems to be an accurate prediction from > Steve Smith. > > My post-apocalyptic novel might include a study on this:   What if > the Blue States mitigate hard and fas

Re: [FRIAM] SIR+HD model in JavaScript + Herd Immunity question.

Tentative answer to my own question: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ajhb.23512 On 10/14/20 10:09 AM, Steve Smith wrote: > > Cody - > > Thanks for the nod... though I'm less confident in this prediction > today than I was back in April... though it

Re: [FRIAM] labels

Eric - Excellent articulation as usual!   I have had a hard time thinking of our political (and governing, regulating?) systems as "markets" but to the extent that is how you are characterizing them here (at least by allusion),  I felt I had a glimpse of some of "what is wrong" for us as we optimi

Re: [FRIAM] Dennett on agency

Nick - I'm not splitting hairs on you here to pester... but truly trying to sort out my own use of these terms. An "intention" is a passive thing in my vocabulary.  It is something I have not yet acted on, even though it is *about an action*.   In that sense I "hold" an intention (if "have" is to

Re: [FRIAM] Dennett on agency

On 10/20/20 3:35 PM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote: > I'm not sure you can have this conversation with a *gradation* of intent. I'm > fond of the insult "He's a tool", because people can be *used*. If a person > is used by another person, does that imply the "intent" of the tool is a > degraded form of "inten

Re: [FRIAM] Getting You Libertarians' Goats

Eric Smith wrote: > */  Dreams are an epiphenomena of the waking brain catching the > sleeping brain at its work.  I think I have just created a dualist > monster here.  Oh, well. <===nst] /* > > I actually think this is fine.  What I have seen about the > memory-reinforcement role believed to be

Re: [FRIAM] high turnout and tight races?

uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote: > My incompetence is overwhelming. But I have found a couple of peer-reviewed > articles that reflect Roger's point about reduction from high-dimension to > low-dimension [⛧], which doesn't imply Nick's misrepresentation of what Roger > said. But it does imply that high turnout

Re: [FRIAM] high turnout and tight races?

uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ >> My instinct is to go to "correlation" only when causal relations are >> hidden, overly tangled, or demonstrably wrong. > That's interesting. In all my hand-wringing arguments about the > hyper-skepticism I adhere to, I don't think I've ever heard anyone express > their objection to it

Re: [FRIAM] high turnout and tight races?

Jon - > Yeah, I empathize with your sentiments. Oh to see a good band, the only > notion of a church that has ever made any sense to me and where Communion is > served a pint at a time. > > Even though my left-leaning friends guarantee that my vote has been thrown > away and I feel just as disenfra

Re: [FRIAM] Public Health Gating Criteria for Reopening New Mexico | NMDOH - CV Modeling

I don't know the answer to your question, but here is some time-series estimates for Ro in NM.    We have been above 1.0 for over 2 months. > https://cvmodeling.nmhealth.org/public-health-gating-criteria-for-reopening-nm/ >

Re: [FRIAM] Public Health Gating Criteria for Reopening New Mexico | NMDOH - CV Modeling

Doh! https://rt.live/us/NM > I don't know the answer to your question, but here is some time-series > estimates for Ro in NM.    We have been above 1.0 for over 2 months. > >> https://cvmodeling.nmhealth.org/public-health-gating-criteria-for-reopening-nm/ >>

Re: [FRIAM] against hysteria in all forms

Glen wrote: Division of the earth based on biome would make so much more sense than division based on strong-man war and "economic" power. John Wesley Powell's vision of 'governing like a watershed':     https://legacy.npr.org/programs/atc/features/2003/aug/water/part1.html And our ow

Re: [FRIAM] election eve

I appreciate this point of view.  In 2016 it seems like there was a lot of rhetoric about "vote in your own best self-interest" as a way to try to increase turnout or focus on why any individual should take voting seriously. Working at LANL for 27 years I heard *way* too many people there voting f

Re: [FRIAM] against hysteria in all forms

Dave West wrote: > Drugs biggest winner of the election. Every measure in every > state/municipality won by at least 5%. and does that translate more broadly in (y)our mind(s) to an expansion of personal liberties that Dems and Libs (if not evangelical and traditional Conservatives?) can agree on.

Re: [FRIAM] hijinks

My ISP (CNSP/NMSURF) went down at 1:30 yesterday afternoon and did not return until the wee hours this morning.   They reported that a major fiber cut *south* of ABQ was the cause and it took out their primary feed, but also a couple of secondary/tertiary feeds they usually can fall back on. I bla

Re: [FRIAM] hijinks

  On 11/6/20 9:36 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > I’m fond of my fiber optic connection, but there’s a reason for > considering Starlink as a backup. > > MSNBC is back now.  For a while it was just Fox News! !  (I have IPTV.) > >   > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Steve Smi

Re: [FRIAM] vote

Interesting to look at the above cartogram to see how the red/blue and population density distribution "distorts" our country geospatially... All the "coastlines" get stretched while the "natural resource" expanses get shrunk.  > The conditional probability of Trump given rural is high but you

[FRIAM] A/R theory

Here's a recent paper from a friend of mine in the UK (Susan Stepney) on the the topic of Abstraction/Representation theory: "The representational entity in physical computing" https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11047-020-09805-3 from the introduction: Many and diverse physical

Re: [FRIAM] The solution to Trump-Biden polarization may be easier (and cheaper) than we think

Barry (nod to Tom J) - I very much agree that the demise (severe constriction?) of "long form journalism" is significantly a problem for the larger discourse on the many problems we face.  I'm not sure if the *readership* will support a return to this.   I myself am guilty of "grazing" on hypermed

Re: [FRIAM] How soon until AI takes over polling?

> > So one more thing goes into what is both a black box and a private > rather than public box.  It will take over after the first few times > it produces much more reliable results, but since we won’t know what > it is based on — AIs don’t explain themselves — we will have no > ability to extra

[FRIAM] Uncanny Valley was: Biden beats Trump

Eric/Glen, et alia - I have my own near stress-narcolepsy around extreme conspiracy theories, perhaps for the reason you call out here:  to stretch to identify a range of threats and then seem to put all of the energy into normalizing them rather than picking the ones you might be able to address

Re: [FRIAM] How soon until AI takes over polling?

Frank Wrote > In the late 60s I worked on Project Talent in which data for 440,000 > high school students was collected and analyzed.  This included , test > scores, interests, socioeconomic status, etc. I've mentioned this > before.  The project included longitudinal following of the > participan

Re: [FRIAM] Uncanny Valley was: Biden beats Trump

On 11/11/20 8:57 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > How do the names of these threads get changed? I changed this one manually... I simply edited the Subject Line in my "Reply To List" response. When Owen was active here, he was a stickler against "thread bending" and to the extent that my replies are

[FRIAM] The Last Threadbender was: Uncanny Valley was: Biden beats Trump

> I think the thread-bending horse left the barn a decade ago. Even Owen could > bend a thread or two in his time. . > > N NLT- If I believed that literally and were (more) obtuse than I am I  might start removing Subject lines entirely.  I do not believe they are superflous and depend on

Re: [FRIAM] Biden beats Trump

- rec - All very well said... > It might be my own fantasy, but I think a majority of Americans do not > disagree about the ends.  They would prefer an equitable society where > none of the usual suspects biased any one person's pursuit of > happiness in life.  They would prefer to live in a world

Re: [FRIAM] Biden beats Trump

> Steve, > >   > > Did you hear the interview with the nice young man who thought that we > should suspend the constitution for the next 20 years and let the > Trump family handle things.  It was said completely guilelessly.  > >   > > Nick > This was Roger's Rant, (Rave, more apropos?) not mine,

[FRIAM] Guided Apophenia

wicked good (but frightening) analysis of QAnon https://medium.com/curiouserinstitute/a-game-designers-analysis-of-qanon-580972548be5 - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subsc

Re: [FRIAM] Steve's brother-in-law

I've had more than a few 3 hour phone conversations with SteveG and I can assure you that there is a Submarine Captain somewhere babbling to his crew about bidirectional path tracing, phi-theta/phi-theta mapping and dual-field theory.   I can visualize a stigmergic field in the world's oceans with

Re: [FRIAM] Guided Apophenia

sm is simply methodical ad hominem, as in Rabbit > Rabbit's piece, "Follow the money. Don’t let them fool you. This goes all the > way to the top." Perhaps we can suggest Rabbit Rabbit's apophenic "evidence" > that Q is a moderately funded campaign to Pro

Re: [FRIAM] Guided Apophenia

d. I still owe a response to that. But the idea > that believable rhetoric needs something like *coherence* ... not as formal > or strong as consistency, but something like it. And the point I made in my > 2nd AI-polling post is that it not only matters that your argument hang > toget

Re: [FRIAM] Biden beats Trump

I think I didn't post the massive missive I wrote about how "empathy is rooted in mirror neurons", and it goes up from there including self-other models, but maybe this one-liner is the only signal in that noise anyway. Also commenting on EricS's "dehumanizing" point, I've come to appreciate the t

Re: [FRIAM] SFe not doing so well

I have mixed feelings about the NM Governors messaging right now.  The highway marquee signs I see say something like "hospitals full - 2 week reset - stay home" but we also got a statewide txt message like an amber alert with yet more dire warning... as if the dams upstream had broken and a 50' wa

Re: [FRIAM] aftermath

Interesting stylizing of high-dimensional (if binary) multi-dimensional analysis  yielding an increasingly high-dimensional (and obscure) "corner-case" in the hyper-version (2^n) of a quad-chart ? On 11/24/20 9:30 AM, cody dooderson wrote: > https://xkcd.com/2383/ > >

Re: [FRIAM] aftermath

> N. I think you have a severely biased understanding of libertarianism. To > be fair, it's not your fault. A core principle of libertarianism is to argue > *for* a state when a state is *necessary*. This is why they're not > anarchists. Any reasonable libertarian will willingly argue, and

[FRIAM] We Shall Know our own Chirality

> Glen, > > Rest assured. You will never be mistaken for a wing nut. You just don't > spin that easy. Spoken as somebody who has tried to spin you many times. > > By the way, our joint exploration of the wing-nut metaphor last Friday was a > wonderful example of the intentionality of metaph

Re: [FRIAM] dumpster fire

I believe that Zozobra 2020 was offering this service as well...  putting your "gloom" thoughts into Zozobra to go up in flames with him? On 11/24/20 1:12 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote: > I read the one liner on Hacker News and thought I'd be able to email > Friam a specially crafted dumpster fire, al

Re: [FRIAM] aftermath

rsuaded with patience and > data" an non-encrypted-* can be persuaded with patience and data. You just > have to play their game for long enough to actually persuade them ... and > retain your sanity in the process. > > But to go back to the BREATHE act, programs like

Re: [FRIAM] the future of souveillance

> After tracking potholes, or Covid-19 exposure, or wild fires, comes > > https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/11/26/1012671/the-apps-keeping-rios-residents-safe-from-stray-bullets/ > >

Re: [FRIAM] the future of souveillance

Or maybe just change the default prompt phrase from "Hey google" or "Alexa!" to the sound of a firearm. > After tracking potholes, or Covid-19 exposure, or wild fires, comes > > https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/11/26/1012671/the-apps-keeping-rios-residents-safe-from-stray-bullets/ >

Re: [FRIAM] New ways of understanding the world

Or a "model of nothing fit to everything we know: useful or merely wrong?" On 11/30/20 1:41 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote: > Chris Anderson, the editor in chief of Wired, asks if a computer can > find a theory of everything merely by learning from data. > Unfortunately most deep learning models are like

Re: [FRIAM] New ways of understanding the world

Nick - I should not be old enough to remember this, yet my mother exposed me to it way too young... it was most likely post 3rd or 4th grade summer when she felt I needed to fill my days with something besides wandering the hills with my dog, climbing trees and watching clouds "rotate" into my 3di

Re: [FRIAM] New ways of understanding the world

I knew it... it is just Core Wars all the way down! > Right. Except that these little machines are not merely learning a static > string. They're *writing* to the string at the same time they're reading it. > > On 12/1/20 10:12 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: >> Map Nick's list of numbers to a spatiotem

Re: [FRIAM] wackos

Dave - Your reference to Science Fiction tropes reminds me of Larry Niven's "Footfall" wherein an alien species somewhat resembling Elephants "lands" on humanity with all four feet heavily and we, in our monkey-selves respond hyper-aggressively and clamber our way (metaphorically) up these huge cr

Re: [FRIAM] wackos

Marcus wrote... > RWWs are on Mars now?   Let us begin terraforming with all haste! If you sign up for Starlink, your EULA will include an endorsement that "Mars is a Free Planet" which I read as

Re: [FRIAM] New ways of understanding the world

Nick - > Oh, thank you steve.  I was afraid it might be a bad dream. > >   > > Sometimes I think your mom knew my mom.  > >   > > I like how you write, Steve.  I wish I could find you a good agent. > thanks for the kind words.  it definitely felt like a bad dream to a 10 year old! A good agent/

Re: [FRIAM] frivolous question

Michael Naismith - Monkees...  Nambe.   I met him in 1993(ish) trying to help him use the new thing (to him) called the Internet/WorldWideWeb for his own music advertisement/distribution.  It was a bust overall, I can't even say why, but the "White Out" fortune thing was worth the eff

Re: [FRIAM] Trump as a victim

/wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> > >   > >   > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Steve Smith > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 7, 2020 2:45 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > > *Subject:* Re: [

Re: [FRIAM] Score one for state-wide mandates (?)

> p.s. Get well, Nick! Go to the doctor. > Nick - I hope your symptoms were passing or mild and not at all related to the Wicked Democrat Hoax Gaina Virus.   Update us as you can/will. My partner Mary just had 3 COVID poems published which put these times in some perspective... maybe best read wh

Re: [FRIAM] Who's on Friston? Me and my Markov Blanket

Great conversation, to which I can add little more than a few comments as I feel I am scrambling to "catch up", at least with the "fusion" of multiple things I already (thought I) understood but which are converging in this topic/discussion: EricS wrote: > Steve, hi and thank you, > > Luckily, I

[FRIAM] Nick's Recovery

> Thanks, frank Perhaps feeling better today. The effect of the disease are > increasingly psychological. I just don't uuant to talk to anybody. n - thanks for checking in with "proof of life". .. know that we are all pulling/praying/meditating/hoping for you to have both a smooth recovery

Re: [FRIAM] Nick's Recovery

time in dimly lit rooms.  Gives a new angle on what we mean by exerience > >   > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > thompnicks...@gmail.com > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > >   > >   &

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Arriving in the US from Australia during Covid was like walking through the looking glass

Fellow (mostly) Liberalish, professionaI-class Elite(sh) FriAMfriends- Ioffer this with a grain of capsaicin-salt to rub in the wound of our modern existential dilemma:  meaning that what with Chris Hedges' familiar depressing snark, not everyone might be able to afford to read the following...  R

Re: [FRIAM] Nick's Recovery

That sh*t really offends me and I wish you would cut it the h*ell out! On 12/8/20 9:20 AM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote: > Nicely circular! You don't have to know/believe the meaning of your words, > for those words to have meaning. I'm particularly fond of how abusers will > say something abhorrent, then ac

Re: [FRIAM] Nick's Recovery

ng from a viral infection to > make a point about whether Consciousness exists?I just think it is sad > that Frank and Nick can't resolve this, because they've apparently been > working on it so long. > > -Original Message- > From: Friam On Behalf Of St

[FRIAM] The Stigmergic Estuaries of our Fuedal Ids

spect this procedure would result in a similar outcome for about 74 million > other potential subjects."I am angry and you better not step in my anger > field!" "Why do you insensitively ignore my anger field?!" > > -Original Message- > From

[FRIAM] Bees in one's Bonnet (syndrome)

Nick - You will notice that I did (finally) change the subject line of my latest thread-fray (i.e. Estuarial Stigmergy)...  I was feeling badly for you to have to see your name up over and over on the subject line.  Since I was the one to coin "Nick's Recovery" I will accept some blame for not hel

Re: [FRIAM] one adage a day.

Nick -     Nice complement to "Your opinion of me is none of my business". - Steve >   > > Never explain yourself: you don’t know a damn thing about yourself, > and everybody Else already knows more than they want to know.  > >   > > Back to the couch, > >   > > Nick > > Nicholas Thompson > > Em

Re: [FRIAM] COVID tracking

Eric - Great story/shout-out to those who create/maintained a "pocket of sanity" for you.  I feel similarly with the Los Alamos County swimming pool which manages to be hyper-welcoming whilst managing things in a convincingly safe manner (w/o seeming arbitrary?).   It helps that there is chlorinat

Re: [FRIAM] COVID tracking

t for people who were on opposite sides of a wall through which > there wouldn’t be air connection.   > > I forget where I got that, possibly from the company’s site, though > several months ago. > > Or did I misunderstand the subject you meant? > > Thx, > > E > &g

Re: [FRIAM] 5 agencies compromised

Are we talking (cyber)Soldiers of Fortune here?   Eric Prince and and his ilk surely have a whole string of guys much better at first-person-shooters and cyberhacking than actual first-person shooting.   I have never opened a "Soldier of Fortune" magazine, and even cringe when I see them, but imagi

Re: [FRIAM] 5 agencies compromised

:44 AM, Steve Smith wrote: > Are we talking (cyber)Soldiers of Fortune here?   Eric Prince and and > his ilk surely have a whole string of guys much better at > first-person-shooters and cyberhacking than actual first-person > shooting.   I have never opened a "Soldier of Fortu

Re: [FRIAM] 5 agencies compromised

LANL's "communications dept" had their own posters printed up that showed up everywhere for the full 27 years I was there for... maybe DOE and DOD supplied/inspired messaging... but the one that hit me as the most strange/hypocritical was the "Nations don't have friends, they have Interests" which

Re: [FRIAM] 5 agencies compromised

Glen - I appreciate this perspective.   It feels like a rhyme with our various formulations of "all models are wrong, some are useful",  a conspiracy theory somehow being a "model" in it's own right.   I could wax on (ineffectually?) about how the two relate but will leave that as an exercise to t

Re: [FRIAM] 5 agencies compromised

What about the systems/software aging/rot/refactoring analogy?  The similarities seem more *relevant* to the bulk of this group's experience than, for example, cancer or infectious disease.   Of course, one's familiarity with the source of an analogy does not make it more apt, just simultaneously m

Re: [FRIAM] political question

With all of the crazed, disturbing damage the Donald has done to the Republican Party, I'm surprised *he* hasn't been fretting about faithless electors in the states he "won" (the old fashioned way, with popular vote).   I can just imagine he and Rudy and the other whacks pulling off one of their s

Re: [FRIAM] if by 'populism' he meant ...

I held my own idiosyncratic (generally positive) apprehension of "populism" both for best and worst for the longest time... maybe right up until it was applied to Trump's appeal.  I now map "mobocracy" much more strongly onto it.   For me Mobocracy fails worse than the mere implications of "unwashe

Re: [FRIAM] where are the "patriot hackers"?

uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ - I'm not clear what the intended connection between these two topic you raise is, but I share your curiosity/fascination with both: > So, I'm once again down in a rabbit hole over whether Dave's (cautiously > backed by Kim) idea of a "science of the mind" is reasonable, wherein > subj

Re: [FRIAM] [in|ex]tensional effects on (English) language

↙↙↙ uǝlƃ - > Eye-tracking study finds depression memes act like visual magnets for people > experiencing depressive symptoms > https://www.psypost.org/2020/12/eye-tracking-study-finds-depression-memes-act-like-visual-magnets-for-people-experiencing-depressive-symptoms-58939 > > "It also seems tha

Re: [FRIAM] Sunset and Sunrise

and this https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/solar-analemma.html provides some visual intuition, but the text doesn't quite lead *me* to a succinct explanation.    I could ramble on speculatively but the main thing I take away from this is that the *axis* of the analemma reflects the tilt of the

Re: [FRIAM] Where are you Gary Kasparov?

I was a bigger fan of Warren before and early in her Democratic bid for the nomination...  I still respect a lot about her ideals/spirit but as perhaps Glen suggests, the style of ambition required to run for President might well invalidate the one doing the running.  "I wouldn't want anyone for Pr

Re: [FRIAM] ranked choice voting

this might even bring me onto vFriAM in spite of standing time-conflicts... hope you do it in any case... On 1/6/21 12:44 PM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote: > Back in November, I set up a RCV at OpaVote just so we could see how it > works. I've just received a spreadsheet laying out an algorithm the Olympia >

[FRIAM] Tangled up in our own 2nd Amendment? Bleak Lives Manner?

Fascinating juxtaposition of Trumpsters inserting themselves into the Capitol building with other stories/factoids such as Broebert from CO claiming her "right" to carry a firearm in the Capitol Building (1967 ruling allows for that?) but also implying she was going to swagger around DC with it in

Re: [FRIAM] Tangled up in our own 2nd Amendment? Bleak Lives Manner?

o > understand an algorithm? Should it be understandable? I have this very same > problem with ranked choice voting and the security-risk-through-obfuscation > of supply chain attacks and any large-scale open-source project. > > This tension between understandability and efficacy is

Re: [FRIAM] Tangled up in our own 2nd Amendment? Bleak Lives Manner?

>Dear 2021, > Please, let us please retire the word "unprecedented".  “*You* keep using that *word*. I do not *think it means what you think it means*.” – Inigo Montoya > > Lovingly yours, > > Jon > > > > -- > Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > > - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -

[FRIAM] Collective Stigmergic Nouns

When/how does a herd become a pack become a flock become a school become a mob?  What are their distinguishing modes?  What are the units/metrics of their "stigmergic fields"?    https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/01/birds-of-a-feather-flock-together-but-patterns-change-with-the-mission/ A

Re: [FRIAM] Tangled up in our own 2nd Amendment? Bleak Lives Manner?

Glen - You seem to be closer to a hotbed of the divide in Olympia than most of us...  what with the shootings during a left/right clash there and then the "me too's" breaching the Governor's Mansion perimeter last night. (and I know there is plenty more) Do you have any insight into this coming f

Re: [FRIAM] Tangled up in our own 2nd Amendment? Bleak Lives Manner?

nable. > I'm hoping the next time a R wins the EC but loses the pop vote, some Ds will > symbolically object. Similarly, I'm glad for the Kavanaugh and ACB > politicization of their nominations. SCOTUS is a partisan institution and we > should doff the illusion that it&#x

Re: [FRIAM] Fallback in barbarism

J - John Adams reminded us: “Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There was never a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.” FWIW: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/08/countries-are-the-worlds-oldest-democracies I'm also a fan of the desc

Re: [FRIAM] the power of metaphor.

Dave > It states that making a connection by showing the target empathy is a > great way to get past defenses and obtain more credible information > than torture — and it said this long before CIA idiots decided that > waterboarding was the way to go. And I suspect "good torturer/bad torturer" wor

Re: [FRIAM] Fallback in barbarism

Gary - I think "immaturity" goes much further afield than the (radical?) right...   we are a culture of adolescents across the board.   I believe this is for several reasons, but all roughly coming down to it making us more controllable by whatever forces (commercial, religious, governmental) want

Re: [FRIAM] the power of metaphor.

Kinda like the villain in a melodrama that spends the entire "last act" dying dramatically. On 1/7/21 3:57 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > One of the senior psychoanalysts in Pittsburgh once said to my wife > that nothing is sadder than the last act of a narcissist. > > "Act" as a metaphor for part of

Re: [FRIAM] the power of metaphor.

Frank - > I am anticipating how I would feel if I saw Trump when he is > desperately afraid as he suffers during his final illness and cries > that it is unfair that he has to die given how rich, talented ... > whatever... he is.  Will I remember how much I detested him?  Or would > I feel sad for

Re: [FRIAM] Fallback in barbarism

On 1/8/21 2:48 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Why did yahoos so easily penetrate the capitol security? Either the police > were incompetent, mis-deployed, or they let this happen. and, and, and...  all three. Incompetent:  I sense that Capitol Police are not experienced/practiced in dealing wi

Re: [FRIAM] the power of metaphor.

son > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > Clark University > thompnicks...@gmail.com > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > -Original Message- > From: Friam On Behalf Of Steve Smith > Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 11:21 AM > To: friam@r

Re: [FRIAM] Fallback in barbarism

> organs, and things of that sort. > > Dunno. There is a strange thing about self-governance. In the middle layers > of the hierarchy, there is some notion of justice as rules of the game, where > the players can be held accountable to referees higher up in the ladder. But > at

Re: [FRIAM] Fallback in barbarism

Marcus - > < Among all of the other points you make, the one about how *relatively* > benign the event turned out to be (compared to it's worst potential > incarnations) gives me some kind of hope [..]> > > What is the hypothesis here? That they ARE an angry mob of insurrectionists but that thi

[FRIAM] a more focused (and actionable?) set of articles of impeachment: Sedition vs Insurrection

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/01/10/trump-impeachment-articles-incite-insurrection-seditious-conspiracy-456937 - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://

[FRIAM] Great Communicator or NLP unto TDS

I didn't take the bait on Friday's vFriam when DaveW (as I remember) claimed that Donald J Trump was "a great communicator".   (same as Reagan was credited by his fans and perhaps more reluctantly his detractors?) I suppose Trump is very effective at one mode of transmission of his ugliest sentime

Re: [FRIAM] best rant so far

Marcus - Well found...     you couldn't have said it better yourself... > > https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/01/worst-revolution-ever/617623/  and great concluding line: "or... we can make a mockery of ourselves and die in filth" - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-.

Re: [FRIAM] best rant so far

Frank - > My mail client (Android Gmail) warns me that every.message from Marcus > "appears dangerous". I don't think it has anything to do with the > content.  Is anyone else experiencing this? My e-mail client (Thunderbird) had no need to flag either version (the Atlantic Archives and the Faceb

Re: [FRIAM] Digital Courts (Was: Yay!)

I recommend using the Constitution of the Republic of Uzupis as a starting place: 1. /Everyone has the right to live by the River Vilnelė, and the River Vilnelė has the right to flow by everyone./ 2. /Everyone has the ri

Re: [FRIAM] Great Communicator or NLP unto TDS

believe SteveS is perpetuating that mistake. > > While ranting, may I remark that the social media and tech platforms > essentially removed themselves from rule 230 protection (when it gets > to the courts) by banning Trump and Parler. Modifying 230 is a > bipartisan objective, but it will

[FRIAM] Poetry Slams vs biologic Percean Logic Machine Emulator

Olympia) is in good faith and most of your "provocative speech" is to provoke precisely the kind of co-creative co-arising that I also seek  Or maybe this is just a poetry slam for poetry and slamming sake? Speaking of ambiguity and late binding:  When Doug muttered the infamous lin

Re: [FRIAM] Poetry Slams vs biologic Percean Logic Machine Emulator

> Colleagues; > >   > > I want to recommend the dialogue below for all who read.  > >   > > What is the probative value of a narrative?  What is the probative > value of a photo of demonstrator beating a policeman with a flag?  > Well, narrowly, if the narrative is accurate and the photo is not >

Re: [FRIAM] Poetry Slams vs biologic Percean Logic Machine Emulator

righteousness)?   This evokes (for me anyway) an estuarial metaphor where a great deal of richness of life occurs between the salty and the pure waters?  - Steve On 1/12/21 12:05 PM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote: > En garde! 8^D I'm torn between interleaving and top-posted block. So I'll > spli

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