Nick - You will notice that I did (finally) change the subject line of my latest thread-fray (i.e. Estuarial Stigmergy)... I was feeling badly for you to have to see your name up over and over on the subject line. Since I was the one to coin "Nick's Recovery" I will accept some blame for not helping to redirect/damp it sooner.
I misheard your original post (to beg off being at vFriam) as a hint that you might have been just then falling down a COVID hole. I take this all to mean that you did not, in fact, have any COVID symptoms or even a COVID scare, and for that I am grateful (on your behalf as well as that of my empathy). As for the Bees in one's Bonnet (syndrome)... I am probably more prone to diving down those holes than you (and many others here) are, but less than a few likely suspects (who needn't be named). It sounds as if you have been wrestling with some of your own phantasms of some sort and I don't need to play tag-team with them, helping them to wrestle you to the ground (or bash you with a folding chair). I like your question: "Where the hell does the information come from?"... and trust that many here will draw their sabers (or wet noodles) and give it a good working over. I'll save my own throwdown for after the fray frays the question a little more. - Steve On 12/8/20 10:20 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > Colleaugues, > > > > There are many of us long in the tooth on this list, and I think we > should adopt some best practices lest the intellectual life of the > list become drowned in laments about lumbago. In retrospect, I wish > I had informed one of you privately, asked that person to briefly > inform the attendees when I went missing at vFriam, and to be a point > person to any who would persue the matter further. > > > > I tried, unsuccessfully, to bridge to the less personal topic to > Bonnett's Syndrome, which as Frank knew well, presented some problems > to me philosophically. Some of you -- perhaps many -- are familiar > with psychodelic experiences and all of you presumably with dreaming. > The enormous inventiveness and creativity of these experiences, their > complex structures, and blooming buzzing confusions, their wildly > improbable transitions, are a challenge to any poor monist. Where the > hell does the information come from? > > > > It seems to me that my experience is but a flea on the behemoth of my > brain. I am not inclined to go digging in there, but I can see why > some of you are. > > > > Nick > > > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > [email protected] > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of u?l? ??? > Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 10:20 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nick's Recovery > > > > Nicely circular! You don't have to know/believe the meaning of your > words, for those words to have meaning. I'm particularly fond of how > abusers will say something abhorrent, then act all surprised when > victims take offense. The abuser often takes the stance that they were > simply joking and the snowflake should grow a thicker skin. I'm as > guilty as the rest. > > > > On 12/8/20 8:15 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > > I was kidding, of course.. believing the topic to be devoid of > meaning, and so more absurd than abusive. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Friam <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of u?l? ??? > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 8:09 AM > > > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nick's Recovery > > > > > > It's important, even/especially for long-term partners, to reflect > on possibly abusive habits. Even if the abused and the abuser *agree* > that the habit isn't intentional abuse, an outsider will often > *rightly* identify the habit as abusive. > > > > > > On 12/7/20 6:23 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > > >> If you agree that was mean please accept my sincere apologies. I > am hoping that you didn't find it so. Marcus hasn't been privy to the > hundreds of frank, sometimes humorous, in-person exchanges between us > over the last 15+ years and I meant it in that spirit. > > > > > > -- > > ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ > > > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > <http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com> > > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > <http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/> > > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > <http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/> > > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/
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