Re: [FRIAM] Nick's Categories

As the discussion evolves: But the bot *does* have a body. It just doesn't take the same form as a human body. I disagree re: panpsychism revolving around "interest" or "intention" ... or even "acting". It's more about accumulation and the tendency of cumulative objects to accumulate (and di

Re: [FRIAM] Nick's Categories

// //serialization of that bushy thing can only produce an infinitely long // //sequence of elements from a (perhaps) infinte set. Is the bushiness // //*dense*//(greater than countable, as Wolpert asks)? Or sparse? // / / //I'm sure I'

Re: [FRIAM] Nick's Categories

systems in his 2000 Investigations: - detect gradients - construct constraints to extract work from gradients - do work to maintain those constraints may be relevant (or interesting or both). On 2/21/23 8:23 AM, Steve Smith wrote: Glen - FWIW,  I'm still chewing on your assert

Re: [FRIAM] Nick's Categories

Excellent! I appreciate your clarification as to why it might be useful to explore. I will do so. I'm still a bit confused as to why you mentioned it in the context of me claiming that "the bot" (e.g. ChatGPT) has a body. I think I was ignoring that bit of context entirely...   however "all

Re: [FRIAM] ChatGPT knows FRIAM

I'd say ChatGPT knows FriAM at least as well as Dr. Strangelove does ( though he's been pretty easy on us the last few years ). I found myself trying to parse bits of ChatGPT's response. To begin, not only do I not know of any project or effort at SFI entitl

Re: [FRIAM] ChatGPT knows FRIAM

My head is too fuzzy right now (inside as well as out) to conjure the details, but when Descartes launched I think I knew some of the LANL crew from the Visual Cortex Modeling efforts (LANL and NM Institute) and believe that the intellectual/algorithmic legacy included the GENIE

Re: [FRIAM] Nick's Categories

I am not a category. I am not a thing—a noun. I seem to be a verb, an evolutionary process—an integral function of the universe.” TJ On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 11:23 AM Steve Smith wrote: Might I offer some terminology reframing, or at least ask for some additional explication?

Re: [FRIAM] Magic Harry Potter mirrors or more?

EricS - these are good observations... I believe it will lead to more and more value in *good curation* and a finer distinction on "authority through reputation".   I also believe that formal blockchain and/or some informal analog will become critical to authenticating sources.   I already fi

[FRIAM] Book Lovers of Santa FE

I was just in Book Mountain which has been operating in SFe primarily as a paperback exchange since 1980 (just before I moved to the area) and discovered that the owner, Peggy Frank intends to shut down, probably sooner rather than later.  Here is an article about her move and rejuvenation of t

Re: [FRIAM] Book Lovers of Santa FE

rom scratch. https://www.orcabooks.com/co-op And I don't see Book Mountain on this list: https://bookshop.org/pages/bookstores It's probably too little/late for it to help Book Mountain now. But if someone does take over, it would make sense to get on the list. On 3/1/23 14:43, St

Re: [FRIAM] Book Lovers of Santa FE

person picking up to eat on the way home, avoiding that embarassment when you get there and everyone teases you about the "missing slice" in the box. "couldn't wait could ya?"! On 3/1/23 4:16 PM, Steve Smith wrote: Excellent! This is the kind of feedback I was fishing for. 

Re: [FRIAM] Book Lovers of Santa FE

t she needs to be released from this obligation she built over 40+ years. https://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/local_news/queen-of-book-mountain-writing-lifes-last-chapter/article_fc4ede6e-0ce4-11ed-b550-f774b8b7aed5.html On 3/1/23 3:43 PM, Steve Smith wrote: I was just in Book Mountain which has

Re: [FRIAM] i am a stochastic parrot, and so r u

Marcus shared: A third option is to think harder about what moral respect really means.  Bender seemed to not think very deeply when it came to animals. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/ai-artificial-intelligence-chatbots-emily-m-bender.html OMG!   this article is deep, broad, dense

Re: [FRIAM] ChatGPT and William James

Also second EricS's appreciation for having someone else(s) maintain a coherent conversation for the myriad ideas that it allows me to explore without being central to the maintenance of the thread.   I realize this may be almost pure tangent to others, so I rarely expect anyone to take my bait

Re: [FRIAM] much better than chatGPT

On 3/4/23 10:42 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: https://sites.google.com/view/stablediffusion-with-brain/?s=09 thanks for creeping me out (some more)! I am askeered to imagine what kinds of images would be flashing around me if I linked up via an EEG hairnet as I read this article! -. --- - / .

[FRIAM] Kinks in perceptual space

This may or may not relate to the current threads about mind v body, perceptual nature of reality, etc that we have been flogging, but it is a topic I lived in and around for most of my career and found it both familiar/compelling and a little disturbing: The general topic is the non-Reimannia

Re: [FRIAM] Kinks in perceptual space

w.cs.unm.edu/~angel On Mar 4, 2023, at 4:22 PM, Steve Smith wrote: This may or may not relate to the current threads about mind v body, perceptual nature of reality, etc that we have been flogging, but it is a topic I lived in and around for most of my career and found it both familiar/compell

Re: [FRIAM] ChatGPT and William James

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Re: [FRIAM] Gentleman's Club

> No.  You don’t get off that easy, Jon.  It’s a club of unclubbables. >   Perhaps we should change the name. > > TheUnclubbables.com.  It’s available for 0.99.  > > Nick > I see that our occasional (3 year hiatus?) comic-documentarian pre-saged this new identity by nearly a month! http://fri

Re: [FRIAM] Mission to Abisko

Dave - > By John L. Casti and Anders Karlqvist > > Casti seems to hail from Santa Fe — anybody know him? I met him just after he published "The Cambridge Quartet".    I also know Benford and Bear.   All at the passing acquaintance, one-or-two intense conversation level.  Casti, I toured around LAN

Re: [FRIAM] Mission to Abisko

Dave - > Curses for both Steve and Merle who FORCED me to Amazon to purchase > both Boundaries and Barriers and Paradigms Lost. Only there for five > minutes and bought those two plus three others.  You people are > enablers and I am a weak addict. But only after you forced me to buy Abisko and Bo

Re: [FRIAM] Miller, miller moths everywhere...

Nick - I *like* this kind of anecdotal/vernacular science.   I think Glen might refer to these stories/ideas as "just so stories" because they seem to be post-hoc fitting of simple yet in some sense apt models to anecdotal data gathered ad-hoc but widely.    I think I understand (and agree) with h

Re: [FRIAM] hidden

Glen - > You jumped close to where I was about to go! Now that we have some conception > of how this principle is holographic (everything's there on the surface, all > we need is the way to read it) I appreciate this (added) exposure of your (hidden/interior) meaning of "holographic".   My own e

Re: [FRIAM] Miller, miller moths everywhere...

nd Psychology > > Clark University > > thompnicks...@gmail.com <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > >   > >   > >   > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Steve Smith > > *Sen

Re: [FRIAM] hidden

discussion.   The part I *think* you want to preserve is perhaps is that of lossless dimension reduction, and a part-whole relation (where any small part/sampling of the whole-ogram yields *some* information about the whole target)? > On 5/19/20 11:16 AM, Steve Smith wrote: >> These are all

[FRIAM] Burroughsian vs. Sontagian

from this book review:  https://www.bookforum.com/print/2702/searching-for-prophecy-in-the-midst-of-a-pandemic-24017 /Whenever an incurable disease mounts a body count, there’s a corresponding linguistic crisis that can be expressed in these Burroughsian vs. Sontagian terms: Is languag

Re: [FRIAM] rE DREAMING STUDY

I believe there is evidence that dreams happen out of real-time (much faster?) and even out-of-order.   As an avid dreamer in multiple modes, I don't have any evidence to contradict that, and in fact have plenty of experiences where the real/physical world has impinged on my dream-world wherein my

Re: [FRIAM] hidden

I don't know if this was always the common usage of "strawman" but I historically am more familiar with it applied to a document (formal or informal) provided to a group as a starting point, and designed *specifically* to be a least-laughable example to provide an armature for a group of cooperati

Re: [FRIAM] God

My own "just so" story about belief in the supernatural is that it provides ballast to an emerging/evolving mind (on top of an evolving neural system including the development of language and planning functions) which becomes somewhat obsessive about "posing questions and finding answers".   I tend

Re: [FRIAM] Behavior??

and "Sometimes a w/blink is just a w/blink?" > Nick, > > You said — "I don't think anybody who was familiar with eye movements > would ever take a wink for a blink." > > I can quickly think of hundreds of examples of this not being true. > One, I watched a man lose a lot of money in a poker g

Re: [FRIAM] anonymity/deniability/ambiguity

I like this "turn of events" where the subject of the discussion is somewhat self-referential and is peeling away it's own veneers as it were. Regarding "false humility",  I find myself *avoiding* those qualifiers sometimes *out of respect* to my audience.   I feel like, in a group like this, that

Re: [FRIAM] anonymity/deniability/ambiguity

On 5/21/20 10:32 AM, uǝlƃ ☣ wrote: > Don't be fooled. "The problem with communication is the illusion that it > exists." Or ie I believe in a stronger form of privacy than you believe in. I KNOW! I know just what you mean! -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - . -..-.

Re: [FRIAM] anonymity/deniability/ambiguity

Frank - > Clinicians often call that "being oppositional".  I think "oppositional" is one *motive* for contrarianism, and maybe contrarianism is one *mode* of being oppositional?  I'm far from up on the clinical definitions, and my own *contrarianism* tends toward nitpicking and hairsplitting (th

Re: [FRIAM] anonymity/deniability/ambiguity

F- > The last thing Doug said to me on Facebook was, "Growing old > gracefully is an oxymoron." Which is why we like to say "Youth is wasted on the young"...   part of the ungraceful part I think... > > By the way, who was evicted for non-payment of rent?  I lost the context. Lovecraft I think?  

Re: [FRIAM] Covid-19 Social Distancing Scoreboard - Unacast

as with Garrison Kiellor's famous line about Lake Woebegon "where the women are all beautiful and the children are all above average" On 5/21/20 1:53 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote: > No no still want preference of grades. I prefer to get better than > average for example. > > On Thu, May 21

Re: [FRIAM] Covid-19 Social Distancing Scoreboard - Unacast

> I think one should get what they pay for, but that’s just me.  > And a good Republican would want people to pay for what they get! (except not really) > >   > > *From: *Friam on behalf of Gillian > Densmore > *Reply-To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > > *Date: *Thursday

Re: [FRIAM] Peirce & Postmordernism

On 5/23/20 9:15 AM, Gary Schiltz wrote: > The observer problem. Does it require a human to do the observation? > What about a parrot? A chimpanzee? An amoeba? A Turing machine? God, Gawdess, Gaia, Collective Intelligence? > > On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 9:47 AM Prof David West

Re: [FRIAM] privacy games

Glen - > The "holographic" principle of [non]privacy: All valid questions about one's > inner world can be properly asked as questions about one's interaction with > the outer world. (Or for those triggered by "inside" and "outside": All valid > questions about processes beyond a boundary can b

Re: [FRIAM] privacy games

uǝlƃ ☣ - >> 1st order)   When we encounter a signal (use text stream as a familiar >> example) we may or may not recognize that there is obfuscated meaning in >> that stream.  In the common example, of course, the stream usually looks >> like pure gibberish...  having an *apparent* high entropy

Re: [FRIAM] Covid and Politics

Cody - > > Nothing in my search will be ready for the September deadline. Where > did this deadline come from? > I think September is a placeholder for:  1. Return to School (and the social mixing implied at all grade levels) 2. Acutely (equinox) shortening days of sunlight (UV on outdoor su

Re: [FRIAM] More distraction

Merle - Is this of your coinage?  As a word monger (munger?) I do appreciate it's aptness for the moment. >  Cassandrafreude.  > One definition offered is "the bitter pleasure of things going wrong > in exactly the way you predicted but no one believed you when it could > have made a difference."

Re: [FRIAM] Interdisciplinary work

Interesting that while I have not read the Castilian original nor more than snippets of more contemporary Spanish translations, the English translation I read (in HS?) felt like it might have imposed/projected-onto this work a very Anglophonic sensibility/style in it's translation.   I experienced

Re: [FRIAM] More distraction

> MALTHUSIASM: Enthusiasm concerning  bad things happening, in > particular, bad things happening to populations. > Enthusiasm concerning how bad things happen when populations get out of hand (qualitatively or quantitatively or both as are we IMO). Is there perhaps something less cynical to be

Re: [FRIAM] More distraction

n houses), moved to Pecos, New > Mexico to work in Santa Fe, and now live in the boonies in the cloud > forest of Ecuador. Social distancing has been a way of life for me :-) > >   > > On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 3:46 PM Steve Smith <mailto:sasm...@swcp.com>> wrote: > >

Re: [FRIAM] T & P channels

Glen - Fascinating!   I haven't been able/inclined to follow the literature closely in Piezos and the implications for proprioception and  inertial sensations for years.   When I started in VR work, almost nothing was known about pressure/touch and even less about proprioception/inertial sensation

Re: [FRIAM] T & P channels

Glen - > Excellent synaesthesia story! > > I have no interest/stake, really. But I do spend a lot of time modeling > biology. And T&P perception matters to so many physiological mechanisms, I > was happy to see these guys recognized explicitly. I think this reflects one of the larger arcs of ou

Re: [FRIAM] Covid and Politics

Marcus wrote: > What if it is like the cold? I assume you mean by this, "what if there is only limited residual immunity?" cody  wrote: >> I had what I think is a great idea for herd immunity. What if the >> government were to open overnight summer camps, and even pay for >> every kid t

Re: [FRIAM] Metaphor [POSSIBLE DISTRACTON FROM]: privacy games

Frank (et al.) - > I have *never* heard or read "strawman" to mean anything other than a > specious argument meant to show the absurdity of a position.  A kind > of reductio ad absurdum. It is very likely that my experience was with an ideosyncratic adoption within a small circle (LANL High Perf

[FRIAM] Ideasthesia?

Frank - > My elder daughter has severe synesthesia. > > Daughter:  What's that word for deceitful testimony?  It's yellow. > > Me:  I have no idea what you're talking about. > My sympathies are with her.  I'd be interested in hearing more about her experience but don't want to invade her/your priv

Re: [FRIAM] Metaphor [POSSIBLE DISTRACTON FROM]: privacy games

Steve was *wrong* to assume that the way he was "raised" to understand/use the word "strawman" still held, even though some of Glen's early usage in conversations seemed to be a *little* off. Steve *might* have been wrong for all those years he *thought* his peers (and betters) were using it in th

Re: [FRIAM] Optimizing for maximal serendipity or how Alan Turing misdirected ALife

I am saddened that we don't have a crowd-sourced, convergent/coherent social media platform to compete with/replace the FB/Twattosphere.   There are probably very good reasons. I am a regular Wikipedia *user* but it has been years and years since I dug deeper than the article I find on a search te

Re: [FRIAM] Optimizing for maximal serendipity or how Alan Turing misdirected ALife

 uǝlƃ ☣ wrote: > The additional power is to mislead someone into thinking an expression is > about one thing, when it's really about another thing. I.e. in this context, > it's a way to troll and "riff" off some arbitrary string you found in some > other post. In some contexts, however, it's mo

Re: [FRIAM] Optimizing for maximal serendipity or how Alan Turing misdirected ALife

Marcus - > Yesterday four police cars quickly surrounded the neighbor's house with their > lights and horns blaring. It turned-out to be a practical joke, as they > rushed to the door to deliver happy birthday balloons. People were peeking > out their windows in fear.I digress. In some

Re: [FRIAM] Metaphor [POSSIBLE DISTRACTON FROM]: privacy games

> But, again, I don't believe you. I believe you are NOT interested in the > practical consequences of using the string "strawman" when discussing my > rendition of the EricC/Nick principle. The reason I don't believe you is > because you do NOT talk about the topic in which the string "strawm

Re: [FRIAM] Covid and Politics

ea for herd immunity. What if the > government were to open overnight summer camps, and even pay for every > kid to spend 1 month canoeing, camping, and most importantly catching > covid. This way they could gain a herd immunity so that school could > safely open in September. > >   > >

Re: [FRIAM] Optimizing for maximal serendipity or how Alan Turing misdirected ALife

Jon/Glen (et alia) - > I very much agree that questions of a /formality-informality/ spectrum > will weave > itself throughout /the work/. It seems to me that the informality > ought to provide a > /place/ for birds to make a nest, a /bellybutton/ for lint to collect, > and a /place/ for > rust to

Re: [FRIAM] Metaphor [POSSIBLE DISTRACTON FROM]: privacy games

Frank - > My first  reaction:  I don't think "bent space time" is a metaphor.  I > don't use metaphor in thought because I know exactly what I "mean". unless space-time is a plastic/elastic solid (solid aether?), I'm not sure what the phrase means if not metaphorically?  If I want to talk about spa

Re: [FRIAM] Metaphor [POSSIBLE DISTRACTON FROM]: privacy games

here in one tiny bit of the domain(s) of Science and hope someone else can actually build something with the same tools better than I am here. Mumble,  - Steve On 5/28/20 9:48 AM, uǝlƃ ☣ wrote: > Argh! You people! >8^D > > > On 5/28/20 8:32 AM, Steve Smith wrote: >> I would claim

Re: [FRIAM] Metaphor [POSSIBLE DISTRACTON FROM]: privacy games

On 5/28/20 9:32 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > Steve,  > > After thinking about them I think curved manifolds are real just as > right triangles.  Perhaps my introspection deludes me. I think manifolds "just are", to call them "curved" is to place them in the reference frame of Euclidean.   To a crea

Re: [FRIAM] Metaphor [POSSIBLE DISTRACTON FROM]: privacy games

Frank - > There is a rigorous definition of curvature that doesn't depend on the > manifold's being embedded in Euclidean space.  Right, Jon? I'll give you "curved" but not "bent" as something other than metaphor. > By the way, I was a private pilot during the 70s.  Hywel was a more > experienced a

Re: [FRIAM] Metaphor [POSSIBLE DISTRACTON FROM]: privacy games

Glen - I'm sympathetic with your patchouli-scent trigger but trust that you are being hyperbolic when you suggest we've actually traumatized you off to therapy with our metaphor-yap.  Irritated/put-off I'm sure, but I doubt you will be visiting a therapist over this (unless it is a shot of the har

Re: [FRIAM] Metaphor [POSSIBLE DISTRACTON FROM]: privacy games

Jon - This is a nicely crisp and dense description which I found myself responding to several times (inline) and having to start over, as multiple readings (and partial responses) did help me unpack it somewhat better I hope.  If this response makes it through my internal editor, it is probably st

Re: [FRIAM] "higher" education

My daughter  chose (with my strong advice) to get her undergrad from UCSC instead of UCB (accepted but the academic scholarships she was offered would have left her with a $50K debt after 4 years).   She was shooting for an MD at that point, and entering Med School with that kind of debt seemed rid

Re: [FRIAM] "higher" education

On 5/29/20 5:23 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > Steve, I am sure that my brother-in-law, who got his MD at Harvard > after his undergraduate study there would enjoy talking to your > daughter and would treat her as a full equal.  I've never seen him > acting superior to a colleague based on what schoo

Re: [FRIAM] Metaphor [POSSIBLE DISTRACTON FROM]: privacy games

Jon - > > /I might instead say that the source domain of the metaphorical > description of "bent" or "curved" space IS the formal mathematical > construction of "a manifold"? / > > What about Eddington's measurement or gravitational lensing? These both > appear situated in a phenomenological domain

Re: [FRIAM] Metaphor [POSSIBLE DISTRACTON FROM]: privacy games

I think I just saw Marcus blocking 880 in Oakland! > Nick, for the record, and this will not change from my end: > > Your right to be interested in whatever you are interested in is > sacrosanct, here or in any other forum.  I don’t think there are > thread boundaries on that, though there are all

Re: [FRIAM] Metaphor [POSSIBLE DISTRACTON FROM]: privacy games

  > > I saw someone on MSNBC tonight dreading the “global anarchists”.   > Seriously? > >   > > *From: *Friam on behalf of Steve Smith > > *Reply-To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > > *Date: *Friday, May 29, 2020 at 10:03 PM > *To: *"friam@redfish.

Re: [FRIAM] Science Commits Suicide (yes, another trolling headline)

Dave - You state your (previously veiled?) intention well.  I understood your use of Science and The Science (Caps) to be roughly what you describe here.  My own preferred idiom for this type of abstraction would be "Science(tm)".  I understood you to be trolling, and I understand (not agree with)

Re: [FRIAM] Science Commits Suicide (yes, another trolling headline)

Dave - > All but the last paragraph of my trolling post can be seen a simple > "baiting." The last paragraph: > > "I do find it perplexing that scientists, as a body, allow The Science to > usurp their knowledge and legitimate authority; why they allow The Science to > speak on their behalf, e

Re: [FRIAM] Science Commits Suicide (yes, another trolling headline)

ing is more like "chumming the waters"? - Steve > N > >   > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > thompnicks...@gmail.com <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthomps

[FRIAM] Pause the Show

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Re: [FRIAM] Pause the Show

uǝlƃ ☣ wrote: > A friend of mine (whose politics lean slightly right but, you know, he's > black so slightly left too) specifically bought his rifle and works on his > marksmanship *because* black men with guns scare the bejesus out of us white > dudes. "Ain't nothing scares a white man more th

Re: [FRIAM] Pause the Show

I'm watching Mary's twins grow up from a distance and considering just what you say: "communication doesn't exist, even between 2 people who know as much about eachother as is possible".   there are lots of eerie simultenaeties with them but also quite a bit of divergence.   They are not identical

Re: [FRIAM] Mission to Abisko

On the side-table as I type is Abisko as well as Boundaries and Barriers by the same editors, and Groundswell edited by Neidhardt and Neidhardt and all born in the north of the Nordic lands.  Merle has an essay in the latter and while the subject isn't identical, there are parallels.  I'll be inter

Re: [FRIAM] Dear Eric and Bret

I am not registered with either red nor blue party so did not vote this round, but I did take Mary to deliver her absentee ballot (since she failed to mail it on time).   The early voting place in Pojoaque was not accepting them (early voting only) and they directed us to our normal place of pollin

Re: [FRIAM] Pause the Show

d than previous ones.   Or maybe I'm just getting old and soft hearted(headed). Resume the Show,  - Steve > > *From: *Friam on behalf of Steve Smith > > *Reply-To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > > *Date: *Tues

[FRIAM] Santa Fe Plaza Riot

Looks like the Santa Fe Police and Plaza shop owners got punked: https://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/local_news/threat-of-riots-on-plaza-sparks-police-response/article_a318da30-a525-11ea-90b5-b38b80513d11.html Shows how isolated we are here from the broader unrest... -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -

Re: [FRIAM] Santa Fe Plaza Riot

What's that "law"? Oh yeah Poe's Law > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law>. > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 5:59 AM Steve Smith wrote: >> Looks like the Santa Fe Police and Plaza shop owners got punked: >> https://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/local_new

Re: [FRIAM] Santa Fe Plaza Riot

... also piling on Jon ... this might also explain why Jon's mail bodies all seem to come through in a  non-standard (and tiny) font?   On 6/3/20 11:35 AM, uǝlƃ ☣ wrote: > I don't have any data to support this claim. But I suspect using the Reply > button, then also using "Delete quoted text" wou

[FRIAM] Homo Hiveus or Bio Slime?

Gary - I do think your characterization if taken literally has a tinge of the sociopath in it... but I have similar instincts and offer this complementary? perspective: I used to worry (a lot more) about what I called /Homo Hiveus/, an evolution (via social not genetic mechanisms) of our tribal s

Re: [FRIAM] Santa Fe Plaza Riot

Glen - > I doubt it. I think the odd text is a result of either their sending in > HTML/MIME or your client's rendering of it. I'm a Thunderbird user.  I get a few other ideosyncratic renderings from time to time as well.  Jon's is merely the most consistent. > Sometimes, Marcus' Outlook posts r

Re: [FRIAM] FW: Thread bender

> Here's a dad joke that I've told at Friam a couple of times apologies > to any reader who heard it from me: > > Thor was gathering wood for a fire when his wife ran out and screamed, > "There's a saber toothed tiger in the cave with mother!". Thor says, > "Who cares what happens to a saber tooth

Re: [FRIAM] Homo Hiveus or Bio Slime?

Dave - > Interesting / recommended: > > Movie — Mortal Engines.  "We have to destroy London"  London traveling > around the globe destroying all other mobile cities. Thanks...  I have read the book and seen the movie.  I've been a fan of Steam Punk since Gibson/Sterling coined the genre with "The

[FRIAM] Thread/Post hygiene

To All - Even though I don't follow Glen's 5 commandments religiously (or even well), I appreciate the attempt to normalize the stylization of the conversations here. I'm facile enough with my own mail-tool and auxiliary tools to *function* when people get overly idiosyncratic with their mail-cli

Re: [FRIAM] Thread/Post hygiene

eciate it when a small few here manage to find some coherence and begin to "lase"... to bounce back and forth, amplifying a base signal while removing incoherent noise.      - Steve > > Oh well. > > Nick > > Nicholas Thompson > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and P

Re: [FRIAM] FW: Thread bender

> Funny you say I was alluding to Gods.  I was thinking about what would > be a good name for a caveman.  I looked at the list of characters in > the comic strip B.C.  One of them was "Thor". I was wondering why the joke mixed the two tropes (caveman and gods)! At Merle's meeting in Stockholm in

Re: [FRIAM] Thread/Post hygiene

c'mon can't you get a BLINK! tag in there too? > > Yeah, OK. Youwin! :-P > > I'll /start/ using HTML. > > > Just to please you. > > On 6/4/20 12:04 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: >> Purposely escalating to a HTML e-mail to */annoy/ *you luddites.  ☺ > -- > ☣ uǝlƃ > > - . -..-. . ...- --- .-.. .

[FRIAM] the Snarking of the Bandersnatch

Glen - You have taken good humored sarcasm (Snark*) to "the next level" (another modern idiom I am just coming to recognize) here.  It feels like you've captured FriAM-at-large pretty well here... or at least the arc of our discussions-of-late.   Not only the discussions, but to some extent the "n

Re: [FRIAM] Thread/Post hygiene

Marcus - > > Now you are starting to think right.  If I were using Slack I’d > definitely give this a thumbs-up! > ^, > >  I suppose I should send  out few hundred copies in longhand.  There’s > an app for that. > >   > We need a markup language for specifying calligraphic flouri

Re: [FRIAM] the Snarking of the Bandersnatch

Alan (Quartermain)- > Maybe all you need to know is GAN means generalized adversarial network.  Thanks!  I just twigged to the fact that we ARE a generalized adversarial network of extraordinary gentlepersons. - Tom Sawyer - . -..-. . ...- --- .-.. ..- - .. --- -. -..-. .-- .. .-.. .-.. -.

Re: [FRIAM] the Snarking of the Bandersnatch

In "defense" of rule#4? of Fight Club,  I can acknowledge for myself that point-by-point larding can be a lazy and undisciplined form of participation.   Certainly when there are multiple (well formed?) points, it can be useful to respond point-by-point. Lardy, Lardy! - Steve > The distinction b

Re: [FRIAM] mathematicians computer graphic-ians — a little? help please

> First, > > Just finished reading, _the crest of the peacock_ (ibid > lowercase), by George Gheverghese Joseph. Subtitle is > "non-European roots of mathematics." Wonderful book, highest > recommendation and not just to mathematicians. > > My three biggest shames in life:

Re: [FRIAM] mathematicians computer graphic-ians — a little? help please

and why stop at 4 when you can go higher? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfGf6gHQZQc > >> First, >> >> Just finished reading, _the crest of the peacock_ (ibid >> lowercase), by George Gheverghese Joseph. Subtitle is >> "non-European roots of mathematics." Wonderful book, highest >

Re: [FRIAM] mathematicians computer graphic-ians — a little? help please

PPS Given  your preferences, you might want to check into Kepler's Harmonices Mundi: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonices_Mundi though doing it right would require becoming fluent in Latin. > > and why stop at 4 when you can go higher? > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfGf6gHQZQc >> >>>

Re: [FRIAM] Freedom of opinion or fascist trap

all- ---I composed most of this BEFORE I joined FriAM this morning but reflects the questions I directed to Tom--- > GEPR> I disagree somewhat. I think propaganda is closely related to fake > news. I personally feel bamboozled by the question of media bias and how it convolves with my own pers

Re: [FRIAM] Manifold Clarification

> I said that no physical object is a manifold.  This may be a better > answer to Nick's question.  The envelope of a cloud, if it could be > defined, might be a manifold depending on cusps etc.  Those might be > handled by combining manifolds of different dimensions.  This would > not be a realiz

Re: [FRIAM] Manifold Clarification

meteorology course. Perhaps I will enroll in a > meteorology program when I am 85. > > Nick > > Nicholas Thompson > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > Clark University > thompnicks...@gmail.com > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > >

Re: [FRIAM] Manifold Clarification

ritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > Clark University > thompnicks...@gmail.com > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > -----Original Message- > From: Friam On Behalf Of Steve Smith > Sent: Friday, June 5, 2020 9:57 PM > To: friam@redfish.com > Subje

[FRIAM] A Cloud (Thread?) Never Dies

Jon - Bombastic free-for-all is an apt description. I think "what is a cloud" came up when I used my own "watching a cloud evolve" as an example of how one might begin to develop an intuition for higher-dimensional objects/phenomena through the limits of our visual system.   This was for Dave's q

Re: [FRIAM] millenarianism

Glen - Your ability to demonstrate the "steelmanning" skill continues to inspire me.  I don't know if I am constitutionally capable of focusing down on a single topic well enough to even begin to demonstrate it myself.   I have been "fuming" over Dave's *written* response to Nick's last minute cha

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