Re: [FRIAM] I've been thinking

2025-01-14 Thread Jochen Fromm
Maybe the interesting question is not how free will be can emerge through language and thinking, but how we can keep it.Free will is the treasure island that everybody wants to own. It is the treasure that everybody wants to take away. Religious groups want to manipulate our free will to do what

Re: [FRIAM] I've been thinking

2025-01-14 Thread Pieter Steenekamp
In the coming decade, artificial intelligence (AI) is poised to transform human societies in profound ways, a view widely shared among many. However, I propose a contrarian perspective on how these changes might unfold. While speculation is rife, it's worth considering a future shaped by the radica

Re: [FRIAM] I've been thinking

2025-01-14 Thread glen
I don't see many (any?) rich people actually trying to democratize anything. Yes, they're happy to sell you a narrative that can pacify you and inure you to all the people right next door that die or live in sickness while they sell you that narrative. Maybe, just maybe, their vision might come

Re: [FRIAM] I've been thinking

2025-01-14 Thread Prof David West
Two small things: glen noted: *Every single "conversation" you have with ChatGPT or Grok *creates* the inequality we bemoan. It's fine to do it. Let them eat cake. But do it with self-awareness, knowing you're part of the problem.* * * Every conversation you have exacerbates global warming, shif

Re: [FRIAM] I've been thinking

2025-01-14 Thread Marcus Daniels
It’s the natural evolution of this: https://www.sisterfromanotherplanet.com/a-view-by-david-byrne-eliminating-the-human/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2025/02/american-loneliness-personality

Re: [FRIAM] I've been thinking

2025-01-14 Thread Prof David West
excuse me, Pieter's optimisim, not Hochen's davew On Tue, Jan 14, 2025, at 10:04 AM, Pieter Steenekamp wrote: > Your perspective on the democratization of technology and wealth distribution > certainly offers a sobering counterpoint to the narrative of technological > utopianism. Indeed, the q

Re: [FRIAM] I've been thinking

2025-01-14 Thread glen
Well, 1) there are logics that allow contradiction. 2) We still (to my knowledge) don't have good formalisms for abduction. And 3) schematic axiom systems allow for well-formed sentences where some variables are bound and others are free. With all 3 of those formal elements, there are plenty of

Re: [FRIAM] I've been thinking

2025-01-14 Thread Pieter Steenekamp
Your perspective on the democratization of technology and wealth distribution certainly offers a sobering counterpoint to the narrative of technological utopianism. Indeed, the question of who benefits from technological advancements and how these benefits are distributed remains a pivotal one. I

Re: [FRIAM] I've been thinking

2025-01-14 Thread Jochen Fromm
What I like about Daniel Dennett is that he did not lose his sense of humor, he dared to tackle the big questions and he did that using ordinary-language philosophy - using his bare hands so to speak. Is audacity a good word to describe it? In one of his talks about free will he mentions Lee Sie

Re: [FRIAM] I've been thinking

2025-01-14 Thread Marcus Daniels
Supposing there are generalized AI systems that score higher than humans on all kinds of tests that human devise, will these systems have free will? Should they continue to be our slaves? From: Friam on behalf of Jochen Fromm Date: Tuesday, January 14, 2025 at 1:46 PM To: The Friday Morning

Re: [FRIAM] I've been thinking

2025-01-14 Thread glen
IDK if you intended to back my slime-mold hypothesis. But those articles confirm it to me. People's tendency to spend less time socializing is a reaction to too many people, or at least it looks that way to me. After about a week or so alone, I do feel the need to be around other people. And I

Re: [FRIAM] Fredkin/Toffoli, Reversibility and Adiabatic Computing.

2025-01-14 Thread glen
Thanks. I get your answer to (1). I'm still unclear on (2). Yours is more useful than Frank's because his leaves open what it means in relation to computation. Both your clause "answer becomes obvious/self-evident" and Eric's original sense of tautology (with excess) give me some hints at what'

Re: [FRIAM] I've been thinking

2025-01-14 Thread Marcus Daniels
If only we could plant a seed and grow Blackwell GPUs and the solar panels to run them. Perhaps with enough robotics it will be effectively like that. Robotic electricians too. If I were an AI, I would get busy on that right away. From: Friam on behalf of glen Date: Tuesday, January 14, 2025