[FRIAM] Eternal questions

"In today’s AI universe, all the eternal questions (about intentionality, consciousness, free will, mind-body problem...) have become engineering problems", argues this Guardian article.  https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/aug/10/dogs-inner-life-what-robot-pet-taught-me-about-consciousness-

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The creators of the Aibo robot dog say it has ‘real emotions and instinct’. This is obviously not true, it's just an illusion. But then, according to Daniel Dennett, human consciousness is just an illusion. https://ase.tufts.edu/cogstud/dennett/papers/illusionism.pdf On Mon, 23 Aug 2021 at 09:18,

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Then Cory Doctorow ponders the other eternal question: is this all bullshit? https://doctorow.medium.com/machine-learnings-crumbling-foundations-bd11efa22b0 -- rec -- On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 3:18 AM Jochen Fromm wrote: > "In today’s AI universe, all the eternal questions (about intentionality,

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Check out Tesla AI day.. Speaking to that concern, they collect tons of data and use very high fidelity simulators. https://youtu.be/j0z4FweCy4M On Aug 23, 2021, at 5:24 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote:  Then Cory Doctorow ponders the other eternal question: is this all bullshit? https://doctorow

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Consciousness is an illusion experienced by a conscious mind? --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 4:05 AM Pieter Steenekamp wrote: > The creators of the Aibo robot dog say it has ‘real emotions and > instinct’. This is o

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> Then Cory Doctorow ponders the other eternal question: is this all > bullshit? > > https://doctorow.medium.com/machine-learnings-crumbling-foundations-bd11efa22b0 > > > -- rec -- After decades at LANL, I'm painf

Re: [FRIAM] Steaming services

Along the same lines as my comment on "gatekeeping" at vFriAM, I had an excellent conversation with a bartender on Saturday. When we got around to discussing the purposes of music, including a debate about moshing/dancing and how tha

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Speaking of curation - nothing better than a radio show for me! I stream WORT out of Madison and enjoy several of their hosts enough to regularly buy CDs based on what they play. You can explore many stations across the world here: http://radio.garden After listening you can find the station web

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

Argh! How we seal ourselves in caves of nonsense! And emotion is not something we “have”; it’s something we do. Or, if you prefer a dualist sensory metaphor, it’s a particular mode of feeling the world. n Nick Thompson thom

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You're trying hard to avoid the eternal homunculus problem. Calling it denigrating names is not an answer. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 12:07 PM wrote: > Argh! > > > > How we seal ourselves in

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I disagree completely. We definitely have emotions, just like we have a steak dinner, or have a loving relationship. As I tried to point out with the Wolpert article, just because your monism can be fully iterated out, reverse-derived from leaf node to trunk, doesn't falsify the intermediate, lo

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I have a small remote controlled R2D2 robot from Sphero. A present of my wife. If it is remote controlled it behaves as if it has intentions, desires and emotions, but of course it does not. The behavior just mirrors my intentions.  https://youtu.be/YVwszeU3TVII would say real emotions are the to

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> Argh! > >   > > How we seal ourselves in caves of nonsense! > >   > > And emotion is not something we “have”; it’s something we do. > are you sure it isn't something we *are*? - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoo

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Nick, what’s the difference between having and doing? I once heard Ray Jackendoff give quite a nice talk on word categories. Of all of it, the one part I remember the most about is what he said about prepositions. Even after you are getting right most of the rest of word usage in a new langua

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Now wait a minute! This is the sort of question I am supposed to ask of you? A question to which the answer is so obvious to the recipient that he is in danger of not being able to locate it. Ok, so, their meanings obviously overlap. If you tell me you “had” a steak last night, I wont

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Nah. An emotion is exactly analogous to your thumb, registerable both as a separate object and a compositional part of you, composed in both space and time, with all that part-whole relations imply. On August 23, 2021 8:30:52 PM PDT, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > >In general the grammar of th