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2016-11-14 Thread Eric Charles
Good points! And this draws attention to the "third party" problem I mentioned. Only to a third party, analyzing the events before them, would "High_contrast_round_things" be a bird-symbol for "Seeds". To the bird it is whatever it is, and is not a symbol of anything. Should the third party misiden

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2016-11-14 Thread Owen Densmore
> > Pentecostal or other Evangelical churches Pretty dramatic example of The Problem Of Class. On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > "Support Classless Society: Invite blue collar folks to wedtech lunch and > friam coffee/breakfast. Oops, forgot, they're working." > > > "Hmm

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2016-11-14 Thread ┣glen┫
"Police get solid wages, great benefits, and a respected place in their communities. For elites to write them off as racists is a telling example of how, although race- and sex-based insults are no longer acceptable in polite society, class-based insults still are." Williams demonstrates, yet a

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2016-11-14 Thread Marcus Daniels
<> They are attributes of the parts. These parts have failed to recognize their own corruption and participation in implicit bias, and it is on them, not `elites' to `educate' them on how to think. My last two cars have been relatively expensive hybrid cars made in Michigan. All things

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2016-11-14 Thread Edward Angel
At the risk of pissing off a lot of my friends, Owen's proposal strikes me as tokenism at its worst. If we elites want to do more than talking to and emailing each other, I’d suggest that we instead spend some of our time doing something to help the sad state of education and the economy in NM.

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2016-11-14 Thread ┣glen┫
On 11/14/2016 09:20 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > They are attributes of the parts. These parts have failed to recognize > their own corruption and participation in implicit bias, and it is on them, > not `elites' to `educate' them on how to think. But you're relying on the same whole/part ambi

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2016-11-14 Thread Marcus Daniels
<> In a democracy, we are equals. They've acted in their own self- interest, and I didn't really need to. I voted for our collective interest, which was, as far as I am concerned, sabotaged in obscene fashion by rust belt voters, possibly for generations. Individuals that don't listen to

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2016-11-14 Thread Gillian Densmore
I think I agree with Ed. I've had epic rants about what boils down to a few things as a biger picture problems: Peoples Maslows being messed with Stuff getting to gloopy Stuff being made overly complicated To little simple joy Aholery. In other words: where's star fleet, picard and kirk when you n

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2016-11-14 Thread Gillian Densmore
I don't want my email to sound to doom and gloom. I'm experiencing first hand many of the problems Ed mentioned in his response. On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 10:50 AM, Gillian Densmore wrote: > I think I agree with Ed. > I've had epic rants about what boils down to a few things as a biger > picture p

[FRIAM] Handyman?

2016-11-14 Thread Gillian Densmore
Problem: Apartment needs some TLC. Whaat: some stuff like my front door might need replacing or fixing. some patch up stuff like tiles and and stucko Is their a outfit or handyman that people have used who can help give my place some much needed TLC? ==

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2016-11-14 Thread Steven A Smith
Glen - Not to be argumentative, but: /Yes, the racist attributes of the system map to the individual's myopia, their inability to extrapolate to the consequences of their own actions. But at the system layer, the attribute is racism. At the individual layer, the attributes are not ra

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2016-11-14 Thread Prof David West
perhaps an example, perhaps not: all humans, probably all animals, are innately xenophobic, we are all afraid of the "other." This is nature. But, fear of the black man, or the woman, or whatever, comes about only when our context, the collective / the culture gives definition to the xenophobic "o

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2016-11-14 Thread Frank Wimberly
My adopted daughter was born in Mexico. She lived in Pittsburgh for over a year before we moved to Santa Fe. She went to a small, private kindergarten there which was very diverse with Asians, Arabs, African Americans, and many blonde Americans. After she had been in school in Santa Fe for awhil

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2016-11-14 Thread glen ☣
On 11/14/2016 12:50 PM, Prof David West wrote: all humans, probably all animals, are innately xenophobic, we are all afraid of the "other." This is nature. But, fear of the black man, or the woman, or whatever, comes about only when our context, the collective / the culture gives definition to

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2016-11-14 Thread Prof David West
I don't want to distract the conversation, so consider this as an aside: The "monotheistic right" aka the "religious right" does indeed believe that all humans are intrinsically evil, but capable of redemption if they subscribe to and submit to religious authority. This is true of christianity, is

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2016-11-14 Thread Marcus Daniels
Dave wriets: "The secular right — and yes there really is such a thing — believes the opposite, i.e. that humans are intrinsically good, but subject to corruption. [perhaps the only good thing, for the republican party, in trump's ascendancy is the opportunity to take back the party from the re

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2016-11-14 Thread Steven A Smith
David - I think that is a good example... at least for me. I have struggled with this duality all of my life... having a natural curiosity about other places/things/people and that innate "fear of difference or unknown", I have had an almost morbid fascination with playing up against "the Oth

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2016-11-14 Thread Marcus Daniels
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