Re: [FRIAM] differential diagnosis of psychopathic vs spiritual experiences

2024-08-12 Thread glen
Right. Sorry if I implied otherwise. I later argued in another context that I thought your recognition that it was possible you could experience a Momentary Lapse of Empathy, and a self-aware recognition of such, is an indicator that you were *not* well-identified as someone diagnosable with an

Re: [FRIAM] differential diagnosis of psychopathic vs spiritual experiences

2024-08-09 Thread Prof David West
very, very, minor point. I did not identify as anything at age six. I recognized a 'difference' from others that later in life, when I was introduced to the terms, retrospectively connected to that 'difference'. But my main point, which I realize I did not make, was the connection between psych

Re: [FRIAM] differential diagnosis of psychopathic vs spiritual experiences

2024-08-08 Thread steve smith
I tend to (mildly?) dismiss the "kids these days" self-identification as a variant on what I remember back when I was one... and my experience aligns somewhat with your own the the nuance that there was some holonomic overlap..  Our Jocks sometimes were also Honor's students and sometimes even

Re: [FRIAM] differential diagnosis of psychopathic vs spiritual experiences

2024-08-08 Thread steve smith
On 8/7/24 9:43 AM, glen wrote: Why? Why would you burn that energy to perform such a task? because as with all technology for all of time, "because we can" I agree/realize that in our rush to embrace "the next cool thing" it is easy to get carried away... like with the

Re: [FRIAM] differential diagnosis of psychopathic vs spiritual experiences

2024-08-07 Thread glen
Why? Why would you burn that energy to perform such a task? On 8/6/24 18:05, Stephen Guerin wrote: Glen writes: >We had identities like "head" (kid who does lots of drugs), "jock" (kids who spent lots of time in organized athletics), "brain" (kids who spent time doing chess, math, ...), etc. T

Re: [FRIAM] differential diagnosis of psychopathic vs spiritual experiences

2024-08-06 Thread Marcus Daniels
Hmm. IIRC it was more traumatic than three dimensions could capture. From: Friam On Behalf Of Stephen Guerin Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2024 6:05 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] differential diagnosis of psychopathic vs spiritual experiences

Re: [FRIAM] differential diagnosis of psychopathic vs spiritual experiences

2024-08-06 Thread Stephen Guerin
Glen writes: >We had identities like "head" (kid who does lots of drugs), "jock" (kids who spent lots of time in organized athletics), "brain" (kids who spent time doing chess, math, ...), etc. There was also a name for the [metal|wood|…] shop kids. But I've forgotten it. Ala the ElfSelector and C

Re: [FRIAM] differential diagnosis of psychopathic vs spiritual experiences

2024-08-06 Thread Frank Wimberly
Re self-identification. We adopted our daughter in Mexico and moved from Pittsburgh to Santa Fe about a year later. When she came home after her first day of kindergarten at E. J. Martinez I asked her if there were other Hispanic kids in her class. She said, "I dunno". Based on the kids who bec

Re: [FRIAM] differential diagnosis of psychopathic vs spiritual experiences

2024-08-05 Thread steve smith
I jumped straight to the Artistic meaning of /frottage/ as coined originally by Max Ernst and while not as an act of psychopathy, it does have strong implications for the psychological/subconscious implications in this context? In any case, I find it a compelling opening line of the /call me

Re: [FRIAM] differential diagnosis of psychopathic vs spiritual experiences

2024-08-05 Thread Prof David West
This is very interesting, and timely. I am completing an autobiography/essay/monograph for which this will be quite relevant. The opening lines of the work: *"An act of frottage triggered the self-recognition that I was a psychopath. I did not, of course, know either term or their meanings.* *