Re self-identification. We adopted our daughter in Mexico and moved from Pittsburgh to Santa Fe about a year later. When she came home after her first day of kindergarten at E. J. Martinez I asked her if there were other Hispanic kids in her class. She said, "I dunno".
Based on the kids who became her friends I'd say they were oblivious to ethnicity. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Tue, Aug 6, 2024, 8:30 AM glen <geprope...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm in an ongoing argument with some of my salon goers about identity. > People seem to straddle its multiple meanings for rhetorical (or > confirmation biasing) purposes, fluidly switching one context/meaning for > another so often and so fluidly as to prevent me from understanding > whatever it is they're saying (or trying to avoid saying). > > Introspection is rife with such problems, including a six year old coming > to some self-identification/registration as a member of some crisp > class/category. The most recent Bad Faith rhetoric about identity had to do > with "neurodivergent". There seems to be a trend amongst "the kids these > days" to identify as autistic or ADHD. I mean, I was clearly "different" > when I was a kid. We had identities like "head" (kid who does lots of > drugs), "jock" (kids who spent lots of time in organized athletics), > "brain" (kids who spent time doing chess, math, ...), etc. There was also a > name for the [metal|wood|…] shop kids. But I've forgotten it. > > Some of us were diagnosed with various labels including some words we're > not supposed to say anymore. Many of my friends had such conditions. But > none of us *identified* as those diagnoses. The diagnoses seemed almost > orthogonal to the identities/tribes. (I happened to be a member of the > heads, jocks, brains, and "band nerd" tribes; that multi-tribe crossover > was part of what made me feel "different".) And each group had its share of > the same diagnoses. > > It seems to me that our tech-associated, individualistic, isolation has > driven "the kids" to over-emphasize their diagnoses, to adopt them as > identities/tribes, identifying from the inside->out; whereas we (can't > speak for anyone else, really) mostly identified from the outside->in. We > were sorted by society. The kids these days seem more self-sorted. On the > one hand, that could feel like increased liberty and free association. But > on the other hand, it's like everyone is a home-schooled weirdo these days > and nobody knows how to, for example, bite their tongue or avoid picking > their nose in public. > > Not everybody needs to be a Hunter S Thompson, "neurodivergent", or > whatever. Some of us should be allowed to identify as "normal". > Introspection is a sickness. > > On 8/5/24 17:01, steve smith wrote: > > I jumped straight to the Artistic meaning of /frottage/ as coined > originally by Max Ernst and while not as an act of psychopathy, it does > have strong implications for the psychological/subconscious implications in > this context? > > > > In any case, I find it a compelling opening line of the /call me > Ishmael/ caliber. > > > > On 8/5/24 10:04 AM, Prof David West wrote: > >> This is very interesting, and timely. I am completing an > autobiography/essay/monograph for which this will be quite relevant. The > opening lines of the work: > >> > >> /"An act of frottage triggered the self-recognition that I was a > psychopath. I did not, of course, know either term or their meanings./ > >> / > >> / > >> /I was six." / > >> > >> davew > >> > >> On Thu, Aug 1, 2024, at 11:03 AM, glen wrote: > >> > Progress or Pathology? Differential Diagnosis and Intervention > Criteria > >> > for Meditation-Related Challenges: Perspectives From Buddhist > >> > Meditation Teachers and Practitioners > >> > https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7403193/ > >> > > >> > Based on our conversation attempting to identify behavioral markers > for > >> > consciousness, I thought this paper might give some insight into > Dave's > >> > straddling of mystical and materialistic descriptions of experiences > he > >> > marks as conscious. In the paper, they lay out 11 levers for making > the > >> > distinction: > >> > > >> > • Circumstances of Onset > >> > • Control > >> > • Critical Attitude > >> > • Cultural Compatibility > >> > • Distress > >> > • Duration > >> > • Functional Impairment > >> > • Health History or Condition > >> > • Impact > >> > • Phenomenological Qualities > >> > • Teachers’ Skills or Resources > >> > > >> > From my perspective that consciousness is a kind of fusion function, > >> > Control, Critical Attitude, Distress, and Functional Impairment are > >> > primary and the rest are secondary. The ability to (change one's) > focus > >> > of attention is a hallmark of consciousness, and those 4 levers > >> > direclty target one's ability to focus. Duration may well be secondary > >> > and the rest tertiary, I guess. Because there's something like a > >> > half-life of controllability. If, say, you're a conspiracy theorist, > >> > and you *entertain*, say, flat earth for long enough, maybe you'll > lack > >> > the ability to re-focus and don a critical attitude. Similarly, if you > >> > embed into, say, procedural programming long enough, maybe you'll lose > >> > the ability to re-focus and think functionally ... a kind of > Functional > >> > Impairment (sorry for the polysemy of "functional", there). > >> > > > > -- > ꙮ Mɥǝu ǝlǝdɥɐuʇs ɟᴉƃɥʇ' ʇɥǝ ƃɹɐss snɟɟǝɹs˙ ꙮ > > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >
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