Re: [FRIAM] Spam

2017-10-15 Thread Gillian Densmore
some of that spam is coming from spam bots that found a school project. I was under the impression google has/had a low tolerance to spam it's pretty funny to read. I simply don't know if their is a gmail setting I don't know of to say stuff like: seo traffic from abana gubernaterals for generating

Re: [FRIAM] [SPAM] Re: [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-29 Thread Eric Smith
Yes, Eric, good points to modify the claim, It returns the discussion to the acts one does or does not want to commit, rather than to defense of an icon-group against an enemy-group that both, at this stage, have been bleached of much of the complexity of real people and are more cartoon than

Re: [FRIAM] [SPAM] Re: [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-29 Thread Nick Thompson
net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Steven A Smith Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 9:56 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [SPAM] Re: [[Narcissism

Re: [FRIAM] [SPAM] Re: [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-29 Thread Steven A Smith
Eric - I appreciate your point here. I think the problem in *all* of our "culture wars" is not that one side is evil and the other must fight and defeat them, but that there is a schism in "Ways of Knowing" which, while unresolved, will lead to a schism in "Knowing" itself. I was raised in

Re: [FRIAM] [SPAM] Re: [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Nick Thompson
orning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [SPAM] Re: [[Narcissism Again]again] "2. But I read Nick as saying that The Problem, and the central accomplishment of the Right, has been to install this shift in position as a feature of the population That is what worries me,

Re: [FRIAM] [SPAM] Re: [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Eric Charles
"2. But I read Nick as saying that The Problem, and the central accomplishment of the Right, has been to install this shift in position as a feature of the population That is what worries me, and drives a sense of urgency to fix a problem I do not know how to fix because I don’t understand how

Re: [FRIAM] [SPAM] Re: [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Nick Thompson
, January 27, 2017 9:29 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [SPAM] Re: [[Narcissism Again]again] Thank you for forwarding this Owen, I didn’t receive the original. > So. Let me just share one thought. I have said a hundred times that I think > the

Re: [FRIAM] [SPAM] Re: [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-27 Thread Eric Smith
Thank you for forwarding this Owen, I didn’t receive the original. > So. Let me just share one thought. I have said a hundred times that I think > the great achievement of the Right in my life time has been to problematize > (Ugh!) the Deweyan consensus of the 1950’s One of the elements of t

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: Fwd: TED talk

2016-11-18 Thread Marcus Daniels
"And the ammunition provided to them by people like Haidt is killing us." Haidt used the example of couples that are headed for divorce, and that disgust is a predictor for him of it actually happening. Well, sometimes divorce is appropriate. Like your spouse repeatedly betrays you, or physi

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: Fwd: TED talk

2016-11-18 Thread ┣glen┫
On 11/18/2016 07:38 AM, Steven A Smith wrote: > Like many Trump voters, I'm ready to break our pattern of "business as > usual"... but definitely not ready to let a loose cannon like him into the > White House. I'm pretty sure we are about to be in for a wild ride. If we take Haidt seriously,

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: The Long Peace 18 min video slide show on all war deaths since Fall of Rome -- after 70 million in WWII, lower and lower to now...: Rich Murray 2016.11.06

2016-11-07 Thread Owen Densmore
> > Steven Pinker's arguments in "The Better Angels of our Nature". I haven't, sigh, gotten around to reading Steven Pinker. I found: http://stevenpinker.com/pages/frequently-asked-questions-about-better-angels-our-nature-why-violence-has-declined What's he all about? -- Owen On Mon, Nov

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: ISPs and FCC Republicans celebrate FCC’s court loss on muni broadband | Ars Technica

2016-08-12 Thread Gillian Densmore
Ed brings up a great point about one of the (many) issues with internet in SantaFe One Targs in the room is that the US's way of doing internet and all the copper lines is like running CoAx, Drunk Dwarfs, Tunnels, and Eathernet cords everywhere, then trying to use bowling balls to to push a Garb

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: Grumble- NM's crappy internet

2016-02-21 Thread Gillian Densmore
@ED LOL yeah I see that brilliance to. :P Richard is brilliant, and I shall follow his efforts better. On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 7:12 AM, Edward Angel wrote: > I now see the brilliance of the City putting $1M to get a connection in > the Railyard. As we’re all lined up with our computers waitin

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: The DEL hilarity continues

2015-12-13 Thread Gillian Densmore
Apreciate the responses! lol from what i've read people tend to think windows Vista and 8 as experiments. Way back when, I used to use FreeBSD. On a seperate machine had Gentoo (briefly) before moving on to Mandrake. Bro turned me onto Ubuntu and Arch. I thought Arch and PcOS's update system was

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: How brand-new words are spreading across America

2015-08-05 Thread David Eric Smith
On Aug 6, 2015, at 7:59 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote: > So business people are anti-union not because unions interfere with the > running of their own businesses, but because unions interfere with their > ruining of other peoples businesses? Very nice! E > > I think we could get a whole new f

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: How brand-new words are spreading across America

2015-08-05 Thread Marcus Daniels
:00 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: How brand-new words are spreading across America So business people are anti-union not because unions interfere with the running of their own businesses, but because unions interfere with

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: How brand-new words are spreading across America

2015-08-05 Thread Roger Critchlow
So business people are anti-union not because unions interfere with the running of their own businesses, but because unions interfere with their ruining of other peoples businesses? I think we could get a whole new freakonomics franchise out of this. -- rec -- On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Dav

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: A New Society for the Study of Cultural Evolution

2015-06-30 Thread Marcus Daniels
"Given the personalization algorithms deployed by the major search engines, its hard *not* to see the search engine as a participant in browsing." If the search engine could pass a Turing test, then ok. Marcus FRIAM Applied Comp

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: A New Society for the Study of Cultural Evolution

2015-06-30 Thread Curt McNamara
http://www.brainrules.net/wiring Curt On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:00 PM, glen ep ropella wrote: > On 06/30/2015 09:14 AM, Steve Smith wrote: > >> " what it was to be Dine' " could possibly be reduced to their genes, >> their language and the artifacts they carried or knew how t

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: A New Society for the Study of Cultural Evolution

2015-06-30 Thread glen ep ropella
On 06/30/2015 09:14 AM, Steve Smith wrote: " what it was to be Dine' " could possibly be reduced to their genes, their language and the artifacts they carried or knew how to make... but I find it easier/better if I include the "stories they told". Yes, compression is real, not ideological. T

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: [ SPAM ] Re: [ SPAM ] where is the real threat?

2015-06-29 Thread Owen Densmore
The beetles? Clearly philosophy is way cool. http://genius.com/The-beatles-the-word-lyrics On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Steve Smith wrote: > On 6/29/15 4:29 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > >> "I recently met/visited Glen en-vivo and can report that there were no >> pentacles or other obviously

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: [ SPAM ] where is the real threat?

2015-06-29 Thread Marcus Daniels
"I recently met/visited Glen en-vivo and can report that there were no pentacles or other obviously occult gear (or tattoos) evident." I refer to my prior remark about the long game. First they build trust.. Run! Run! Marcus FR

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: [ SPAM ] where is the real threat?

2015-06-29 Thread glen
On 06/29/2015 02:40 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Dynamically binding this word Glen likes to the probable/apparent meaning. There's no point in fighting it. :-) Say the word and you'll be free[*] Say the word and be like me In the beginning I misunderstood But now I've got it, the word is good

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: [ SPAM ] where is the real threat?

2015-06-29 Thread Steve Smith
Marcus - I'm a fan of dynamic binding, even/especially of natural language... I recently met/visited Glen en-vivo and can report that there were no pentacles or other obviously occult gear (or tattoos) evident. We enjoyed some good beer and conversation... equally entertaining to our onlin

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: [ SPAM ] where is the real threat?

2015-06-29 Thread Marcus Daniels
"In this use of the term occult, I suppose we are meaning both operating in (otherwise) uncharted territories as well as discovering new dimensional/modalities." Dynamically binding this word Glen likes to the probable/apparent meaning. There's no point in fighting it. :-) Marcus =

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] where is the real threat?

2015-06-29 Thread Marcus Daniels
Glen writes, "Anyway, my point is basically that even the majority-vs-minority conception is in the domain of Light. To be Dark means appreciating the entire (occult) mechanism, but especially focusing on the rarely used pathways." I'll distinguish between popular and powerful pathways. A re

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] where is the real threat?

2015-06-29 Thread glen
On 06/29/2015 10:43 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Discovery of better models can invalidate consensus and orthodoxy. This leads to vested interests being threatened and disruption. A typical response to this is to isolate the disrupter. Tying them to stake and burning them is one way. Another

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] where is the real threat?

2015-06-29 Thread Marcus Daniels
"If that's what you mean, then, yeah, OK. However, I prefer to call it Chaos Magick or the Left-Hand Path. It's not dark ... just creepy. " Discovery of better models can invalidate consensus and orthodoxy. This leads to vested interests being threatened and disruption. A typical response t

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] where is the real threat?

2015-06-29 Thread glen
On 06/27/2015 01:11 PM, Steve Smith wrote: I'm left wondering if said darkness is a zero=sum and what the externalities of such maunderings are? I admit there is a sense that sentiment is zero-sum, the intuitive sense that if you have a really positive response to some stimulus, then you can'

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Panama!

2015-06-28 Thread Steve Smith
Damn!  I don't know how I got FRIAM CC:ed on a discussion with an expat in Panama building a sustainable farm! Carry on! - Steve FRIAM Applied Complex

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] where is the real threat?

2015-06-27 Thread Steve Smith
Nick wrote: Glen wrote No. I think the bulk of non-zero sum gains are a result of co-evolution of competing scrutiny, the exploitation of niches the players stumbled upon together. I.e. they're really zero-sum games where the externalities aren't recognized by the players. And in that sense,

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] where is the real threat?

2015-06-27 Thread gepr
ent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 12:12 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] where is the real threat? > > On 06/26/2015 04:36 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > CBS or Comcast cover that, but also the evening news. In various > situatio

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] where is the real threat?

2015-06-27 Thread Steve Smith
glen ep ropella wrote: On 06/26/2015 04:36 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: CBS or Comcast cover that, but also the evening news. In various situations such conglomerates may find it in their interest to present information in ways that benefit their bottom line, even to audiences that are above t

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] where is the real threat?

2015-06-27 Thread Nick Thompson
al Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of glen ep ropella Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 12:12 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] where is the real threat? On 06/26/2015 04:36 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > CBS or Comca

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] where is the real threat?

2015-06-27 Thread glen ep ropella
On 06/26/2015 04:36 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > CBS or Comcast cover that, but also the evening news. In various situations > such conglomerates may find it in their interest to present information in > ways that benefit their bottom line, even to audiences that are above the > least common de

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] where is the real threat?

2015-06-27 Thread Nick Thompson
Glen, Don't the bulk of non-zero sum gains arise from trust? see MOTH, for instance. Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ -Original Message- From: Friam [mail

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] where is the real threat?

2015-06-26 Thread Marcus Daniels
"Yeah but that process will tend toward the least common denominator. It's why we end up with silly infotainment news programs that emphasize the weather forecast and cute pictures of kids on their birthday." CBS or Comcast cover that, but also the evening news. In various situations such con

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] where is the real threat?

2015-06-26 Thread glen
On 06/26/2015 03:21 PM, Steve Smith wrote:> Maybe a restatement of Glen's point would be: Misinformation and disinformation are a given: How we manage our trust is the challenge. Well, not quite. I would have said that trust is an unreachable limit. (And distrust should also be an

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] where is the real threat?

2015-06-26 Thread Marcus Daniels
``That person also could have said something like "People have diverse methods for deciding what online content to trust", which would also been more useful. It would imply that some of us are gullible and some of us are skeptical. But I think what they really meant was "People are not very di

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] where is the real threat?

2015-06-26 Thread Steve Smith
Maybe a restatement of Glen's point would be: Misinformation and disinformation are a given: How we manage our trust is the challenge. I was introduced to Dempster-Shafer theory on a project a number of years ago... and was impressed by some of its' utility as a formalism on the problem

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] where is the real threat?

2015-06-26 Thread glen
On 06/26/2015 02:55 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Are there not more and less risky sources? If you have source that provides you with high-quality, predictive information, over and over and they are right, should not that individual be allowed less scrutiny than a person that has no track reco

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] where is the real threat?

2015-06-26 Thread Marcus Daniels
Are there not more and less risky sources? If you have source that provides you with high-quality, predictive information, over and over and they are right, should not that individual be allowed less scrutiny than a person that has no track record, or a bad track record? Given finite attent

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Map of the complexity sciences

2015-06-01 Thread Grant Holland
Excellent. Thanks, a bunch, Glen. Grant On 5/27/15 5:38 PM, glen e. p. ropella wrote: http://www.scimaps.org/maps/map/map_of_complexity_sc_154/detail What I found most interesting was the little street view dude... and that there are pictures located on the map!

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: Legal Risks to Creative Innovation and Research at College: NJ Drops Its Investigation of MIT Students

2015-05-30 Thread Gary Schiltz
I agree that ads, animated GIFs, Flash content, etc. are a bigger problem than anything these guys were doing. Fortunately, especially with open source software, we can circumvent this advertising crapware. If I didn’t use ad blockers, I wouldn’t look at half the sites I do. On Sat, May 30, 2015 a

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: Legal Risks to Creative Innovation and Research at College: NJ Drops Its Investigation of MIT Students

2015-05-30 Thread Marcus Daniels
Gary writes: "[..] the bigger issue is whether running my software on a users’ computer, for my benefit, and without that user’s knowledge and consent, amounts to stealing. " Advertisements waste bandwidth, and JavaScript in advertisements or animated GIFs are in some sense stealing CPU cycles

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: Fwd: SAR lecture - of interest to FRIAM folks?

2015-05-20 Thread George Duncan
I have ordered 2 tickets. Should be interesting. Thanks, Tom. George Duncan georgeduncanart.com (505) 983-6895 Represented by ViVO Contemporary 725 Canyon Road Santa Fe, NM 87501 My art theme: Dynamic application of matrix order and luminous chaos. "Attempt what is not certain. Certainty may or

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: Fwd: SAR lecture - of interest to FRIAM folks?

2015-05-20 Thread Merle Lefkoff
Thanks so much, Tom. I've got my ticket. Sounds wonderful. See you there. On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 10:22 PM, John Dobson wrote: > cdobson@okstate,edu > > On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Tom Johnson wrote: > >> FYI, Santa Fe folks. >> -tj >> >> >>

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: metaphor and talking across skill levels

2015-03-09 Thread Nick Thompson
Thanks everybody. Lots of value in the responses I have received. I gather that "symmetry" is itself a metaphor, subject both to the joys and pains thereof. I am not sure I am happy with the idea that metaphor and plain speaking are antagonistic. Besotted with the operationalism that had b

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: Fwd: Share Your Knowledge: Taxonomy Boot Camp

2015-02-20 Thread Steve Smith
Steve writes: Most recently, I worked with other UNM Researchers, Dr's Caudell, Gilfeather, Lugar, Taha, et al on a project ultimately entitled "Faceted Ontologies" which was primarily about building, from open source Intelligence, knowledge structures, developing a normalized model for them,

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: Fwd: Share Your Knowledge: Taxonomy Boot Camp

2015-02-20 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Steve writes: > Most recently, I worked with other UNM Researchers, Dr's Caudell, > Gilfeather, Lugar, Taha, et al on a project ultimately entitled "Faceted > Ontologies" which was primarily about building, from open source > Intelligence, knowledge structures, developing a normalized model for

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: Fwd: Share Your Knowledge: Taxonomy Boot Camp

2015-02-20 Thread Owen Densmore
My first tech job was a Patent database for Xerox in the early '70s. It was a huge database and we had professional librarians manage the taxonomy for it. At the same time we had a pretty sound "natural language" search, much like modern DocTerm matrices along with SVD minimization to make the di

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] RE: clinical diagnosis of [a]theism?

2015-02-01 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Vladimyr wrote: "I have a Circulant Graph that appears very Hamiltonian in 3D and not so in 2D, but still interesting?" Mathematica recently (ver 10) added a graph analysis capability. It has a Hamiltonian predicate (HamiltonianGraphQ). Marcus ===

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] RE: clinical diagnosis of [a]theism?

2015-02-01 Thread Vladimyr Burachynsky
44 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] RE: clinical diagnosis of [a]theism? On 01/29/2015 07:56 PM, Vladimyr Burachynsky wrote: > I have the distinct awkward feeling that, while I write, there is no > compelling evidence of my existence

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] RE: clinical diagnosis of [a]theism?

2015-01-30 Thread glen
On 01/29/2015 07:56 PM, Vladimyr Burachynsky wrote: I have the distinct awkward feeling that, while I write, there is no compelling evidence of my existence, only my utterings. Perhaps my hollow ringing echoes are sufficient to serve as my fake evidence, should I choose to perjure myself in a

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] RE: clinical diagnosis of [a]theism?

2015-01-29 Thread Vladimyr Burachynsky
--Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of glen Sent: January-28-15 4:33 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] RE: clinical diagnosis of [a]theism? Heh, this time it seems even gmane failed: http://news

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] RE: clinical diagnosis of [a]theism?

2015-01-28 Thread glen
Heh, this time it seems even gmane failed: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.org.region.new-mexico.santa-fe.friam Marcus G. Daniels Wed Jan 28 16:38:36 EST 2015: I suppose I could start giving them tags like [so-and-so topic].shard[0,1,etc] in the subject line to cope with the deficiency. I bet th

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] RE: clinical diagnosis of [a]theism?

2015-01-27 Thread Grant Holland
One either knows the answer (to whatever question) or one doesn't. You actually know that God exists, or you don't know. Pretending that you know when you don't is...well...pretense. Accepting that you don't know when you don't and keeping an open mind usually leads to less self delusion. I s

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] RE: clinical diagnosis of [a]theism?

2015-01-27 Thread Nick Thompson
...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 3:36 PM To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] RE: clinical diagnosis of [a]theism? Well said, Vladimyr. Frank Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz Santa Fe, NM 875

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] RE: clinical diagnosis of [a]theism?

2015-01-27 Thread glen
I agree with Marcus that the litigants do have the "right" to "enforce" their contrived rules on the judges (as usual, the scare quotes foreshadow my rhetoric). I think this is mostly because there is no line between judge and litigant. We can see this quite obviously with the rampant accus

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] RE: clinical diagnosis of [a]theism?

2015-01-27 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
On Tue, 2015-01-27 at 15:25 -0600, Vladimyr Burachynsky wrote: > The litigants have no right to enforce their contrived rules on the judges, > or do they? Yes, it is just a struggle for power. There are no rules. Marcus FRIAM Appli

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] RE: clinical diagnosis of [a]theism?

2015-01-27 Thread Frank Wimberly
Well said, Vladimyr. Frank Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz Santa Fe, NM 87505 wimber...@gmail.com wimbe...@cal.berkeley.edu Phone: (505) 995-8715 Cell: (505) 670-9918 -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Vladimyr Burachynsky Se

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: academic fields whose practitioners believe ...

2015-01-16 Thread Vladimyr Burachynsky
Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: academic fields whose practitioners believe ... On 1/16/15 12:59 PM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote: >> It was wonderful the range of personal experience we were able to >> bring to bear on this subject and the lack of guardedness wi

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: academic fields whose practitioners believe ...

2015-01-16 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
> I know... I only occasionally recognize that fact... I think Nick was > the first to notice a while back and suggested that it was a conspiracy > against him alone... which I also feel sometimes... It is a wonderful outcome if two (hypothetical) agents with diametrically opposed viewpoints ca

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: academic fields whose practitioners believe ...

2015-01-16 Thread Steve Smith
On 1/16/15 12:59 PM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote: It was wonderful the range of personal experience we were able to bring to bear on this subject and the lack of guardedness with which we were able to explore it given our diverse history. Another benefit of in-person meetings is that this list fail

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] RE: Slasdhot linked article RE; god

2015-01-14 Thread Mohammed El-Beltagy
Thanks Frank and Steve. > I feel like the problem is most acute when one mode of understanding the nature of reality pretends to be able to answer the questions generated by the other mode. I fully agree. I am still based Cairo... recently I started an innovation accelerator with partners in Sw

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] RE: Slasdhot linked article RE; god

2015-01-12 Thread Steve Smith
Mohammed - Also good to hear your "voice" after a very long time... I hope things are going "well enough" for you, I assume you are still in Cairo amidst the constant ebb and flow around you there.  I like the way you phrase this.  I'm sure I have l

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] RE: Slasdhot linked article RE; god

2015-01-12 Thread Frank Wimberly
Well said, Mohammed. Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Phone (505) 670-9918 On Jan 12, 2015 7:52 AM, "Mohammed El-Beltagy" wrote: > There is a common thread running through this discussion it that to my > mind seems quite problematic. It has to do with imposing a restriction on > any given religion to

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] RE: Slasdhot linked article RE; god

2015-01-12 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Mohammed El-Beltagy wrote: > Such holistic grasp and resultant passion may often accelerate our > understanding of the natural world in the left brain or analytic > sense. This case is very clear in ancient Egypt where that religious > passion gave rise to amazing advances in mathematics, geometry

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] RE: Slasdhot linked article RE; god

2015-01-12 Thread Mohammed El-Beltagy
There is a common thread running through this discussion it that to my mind seems quite problematic. It has to do with imposing a restriction on any given religion to be "in concordance" with science to be "valid" and not to be regarded as some fantasy or myth. Here any religion is reified to its p

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] RE: Slasdhot linked article RE; god

2015-01-09 Thread glen
On 01/09/2015 08:51 AM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote: Sure, religion is just the worst because they do it _on purpose_. Meanwhile, atheism is not "delusional" like theism because for something to be delusional there has to be contrary evidence, and there is not. Heh, you say that like "evidence" has

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] RE: Slasdhot linked article RE; god

2015-01-09 Thread Steve Smith
Tory/Marcus/Glen - Good to hear your "voice" T, after a hiatus... (and that of Vladymir as well, also AWOL for some time?) I think this discussion or even conflict is an important one, and tends to get argued on superficial grounds. This discussion, as it unfolds, promises to be a little de

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] RE: Slasdhot linked article RE; god

2015-01-09 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
On Fri, 2015-01-09 at 08:39 -0800, glen wrote: > Worse yet, amongst the lay population who _say_ they believe in > evolution, their onion is really more of a hollow spheroid, with a > flimsy outer layer alone. Sure, religion is just the worst because they do it _on purpose_. Meanwhile, atheism is

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] RE: Slasdhot linked article RE; god

2015-01-09 Thread glen
On 01/08/2015 10:47 PM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote: > Victoria writes: > > "So any belief other than one's own is a delusion?" > > Subjective experience must run counter to objective evidence to get this > label. A belief that can be represented by a set of features, understandable > by independ

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] RE: clinical diagnosis of [a]theism?

2014-12-23 Thread Bela Patkai
On 23 December 2014 at 10:05, Nick Thompson wrote: > I have to say that people like Dawkins, FEEL religious to me. If, at some > level, they did > not believe in God, how could it make such a difference to them. They doth > protest too much. > They do protest too much, but God actually loves i

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] RE: clinical diagnosis of [a]theism?

2014-12-23 Thread Nick Thompson
Tuesday, December 23, 2014 12:27 AM To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] RE: clinical diagnosis of [a]theism? Nick writes: "So when someone proposes a measure of something complicated such as "atheism", it's fair to ask

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] RE: clinical diagnosis of [a]theism?

2014-12-22 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Nick writes: "So when someone proposes a measure of something complicated such as "atheism", it's fair to ask what the validator of that measure would be, what the measure is actually intended to GET AT. And one of the kind of standard observations that my kind of psychologist often makes, is th

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] RE: clinical diagnosis of [a]theism?

2014-12-22 Thread Nick Thompson
Marcus, Thanks for responding. My bad. I used "validator" in a narrow technical sense, not in its more regular sense of a proof. My use comes from measurement theory in psychology. I am not an expert in measurement theory, but here goes:A measure is "valid" when it can be shown to corre

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] RE: clinical diagnosis of [a]theism?

2014-12-22 Thread Nick Thompson
: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Marcus G. Daniels Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 7:06 AM To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] RE: clinical diagnosis of [a]theism? Nick wrote: "Well, 30 or more tiny fm radios plac

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2014-12-22 Thread Gillian Densmore
@Glen before diving to deep into it with numbers- do you have a working defination of Agnostic vs Atheist? On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 8:54 AM, glen wrote: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempest_%28codename%29 > > I don't disagree that low N studies are useful. But high N studies are also > usefu

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2014-12-22 Thread glen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempest_%28codename%29 I don't disagree that low N studies are useful. But high N studies are also useful. On 12/22/2014 06:06 AM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote: > Nick wrote: > > "Well, 30 or more tiny fm radios placed at strategic locations around the > mother board,

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] RE: clinical diagnosis of [a]theism?

2014-12-22 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Nick wrote: "Well, 30 or more tiny fm radios placed at strategic locations around the mother board, might be more like it. No?" Like if a team of two or three aliens came to watch the Earth from orbit, before there was broadcasting. Relatively speaking, that's how many individual things they'd

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] RE: clinical diagnosis of [a]theism?

2014-12-21 Thread Nick Thompson
G Well, 30 or more tiny fm radios placed at strategic locations around the mother board, might be more like it. No? n Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ -Original Message- From: Fria

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2014-12-20 Thread Steve Smith
mail.com; The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] RE: [ SPAM ] Re: Re: clinical diagnosis of [a]theism?   On 12/20/14 6:14 A

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2014-12-20 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
: russ.abb...@gmail.com; The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] RE: [ SPAM ] Re: Re: clinical diagnosis of [a]theism? On 12/20/14 6:14 AM, Russ Abbott wrote: Suppose you had a device that could read brain waves and determine whether someone believed i

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2014-12-20 Thread Roger Critchlow
The strict calvinist answer to Glen's question is that no one knows but god who god has chosen to be the religious elect. Even the subject's testimony is no good, for they could be deluded, though you could torture them to determine if how strongly they hold to their delusion. But I guess that tor

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2014-12-20 Thread Nick Thompson
ompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Russ Abbott Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 6:14 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] RE: [ SPAM ] Re: Re: clinical diagnosis of [a]theism? Suppose you had a

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2014-12-20 Thread Russ Abbott
It's hypothetical. Assume anything you (or Glen) want. I want to know what Glen would do if he had this capability. On Dec 20, 2014 2:15 PM, "Steve Smith" wrote: > On 12/20/14 6:14 AM, Russ Abbott wrote: > > Suppose you had a device that could read brain waves and determine > whether someone be

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2014-12-20 Thread Steve Smith
On 12/20/14 6:14 AM, Russ Abbott wrote: Suppose you had a device that could read brain waves and determine whether someone believed in [a]theism. Since this wouldn't be a diagnosis based on behavior would it get at what you want?

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2014-12-20 Thread Russ Abbott
Suppose you had a device that could read brain waves and determine whether someone believed in [a]theism. Since this wouldn't be a diagnosis based on behavior would it get at what you want? *-- Russ Abbott* *_* * Professor, Computer Science* * Califor

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2014-12-20 Thread Russ Abbott
Suppose you had a device that could read brain waves and determine whether someone believed in [a]theism. Since this wouldn't be a diagnosis based on behavior would it get at what you want? *-- Russ Abbott* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Does Scientific Method Need Revision?

2014-12-18 Thread cody dooderson
I'm not an expert in physics but it does seem that whats not testable today might be easy to test tomorrow. At some point string theory or the multiverse might be tested experimentally. Cody Smith On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Barry MacKichan < barry.mackic...@mackichan.com> wrote: > > In view

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Does Scientific Method Need Revision?

2014-12-18 Thread Barry MacKichan
In view of Betteridge's law, not really a spoiler. —Barry On 17 Dec 2014, at 20:15, Carl Tollander wrote: Spoiler: not thought so, but a nice ride. https://medium.com/starts-with-a-bang/does-the-scientific-method-need-revision-d7514e2598f3 C.

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Does Scientific Method Need Revision?

2014-12-17 Thread Owen Densmore
My! On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Carl Tollander wrote: > > Spoiler: not thought so, but a nice ride. > > https://medium.com/starts-with-a-bang/does-the-scientific-method-need- > revision-d7514e2598f3 > > C. > > > > FRIAM Applied Com

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] RE: IIIJ » HOW TO DISRUPT UNEMPLOYMENT

2014-11-30 Thread Steve Smith
On 11/30/14 8:08 AM, Jochen Fromm wrote: Some argue that being jobless is better than being employed by Walmart or its digital counterpart Amazon. I even wrote an application for Amazon once, but they rejected it. Maybe a reason why I

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: [ SPAM ] Re: Ebola, Science, and the collapse of the Deweyan consensus

2014-11-01 Thread Roger Critchlow
The facts of the matter are that you can get a political body to do anything, once you've talked enough people into believing that it should be done. And you don't have to talk people into believing in contamination because that's been part of our explanations forever, so arguing to isolate the po

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: Ebola, Science, and the collapse of the Deweyan consensus

2014-11-01 Thread Pamela McCorduck
I’d like to know what Friamers said to each other on this topic while they were face to face (without exchanging bodily fluids, of course.) I can contribute that my beloved doctor gave me a big, rather moist kiss on the cheek last week as we were saying goodbye, and I thought, Dude! Those are yo

Re: [FRIAM] Spam Problems?

2013-06-17 Thread Steve Smith
A bit of threadbending Speakng of SPAM and Spoofs and such: I recently had something entirely new for me happen on my smart phone (iPhone 4). I got a text and a phone call (which I didn't answer) from what felt like Santa Fe (was a 505) number. I'm not sure which came in first. No me

Re: [FRIAM] Spam Problems?

2013-06-17 Thread Steve Smith
Gary, et al - Mail servers have gotten a lot less permissive about spoofing... for example, while I could fiddle my "From:" field in my mail header, to look as if it came "From:g...@naturesvisualarts.com", my SMPT server would consider that "mail forwarding" and unless (in an unlikely case) m

Re: [FRIAM] Spam Problems?

2013-06-17 Thread Dean Gerber
I received one from Dena Aquilina.  Did not open it. From: Owen Densmore To: Complexity Coffee Group ; disc...@sfcomplex.org Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 10:08 PM Subject: [FRIAM] Spam Problems? I've gotten two spam emails that may have come from hacked emai

Re: [FRIAM] Spam Problems?

2013-06-17 Thread Gary Schiltz
I got one of the two that you received. I've never understood how (or if) "only subscribers can post" lists can work. Can anyone post if the "From:" header of their email is a valid user? That would be super easy to spoof. In the case of the two spam messages, how would that apply? I.e. are dena

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