Ed brings up a great point about one of the (many) issues with internet in
SantaFe

One Targs in the room is  that the US's way of doing internet  and all the
copper lines is like running CoAx, Drunk Dwarfs, Tunnels, and Eathernet
cords everywhere, then trying to use bowling balls to to push a Garbage
Scouge.
Where as from what I gather china, egypt and other parts of the middle east
and Germany, took one look at copper and skipped it. Hell Japan's phone
 infrastructure despite being (sorfof) the same age range as America, they
all but said ef that, and France at one time and the most advanced Fiber
and Wireless system in the world.

SantaFe  failed in that no one stopped to say: Cheep or Free phone
overhaull to gigabite speed wireless and fiber?
Then no wonder no sane skunkworks wants get 10 feet close.

(one) of the problemss with a overly dead yough coulture, a dysfuntional
economy: Jobs. Fun, Joy.

For example  Cody as far as I can tell hangs with his GF and a few friends
and the WedTech lunch croud wich are basically geeks. Seems to have taken
to Ingress and hiking. But from what I can tell hasn't taken to just
hanging downtown, though possibly to level his peekachu, to ding level 30
with his PokeMan. That's somewhat fine but realy? ah rather Eh Downtown,

Combine that with a terrible or just out right broken job system, Voke
Rehab is broken and basically a mix dilusional and "well, what'lll go wrong
next""
I think an a few alians with realy big ears or pointy ears might be able
explain to me What on in the hell is wrong here?

Comare that to Pike Market Seattle (for example) people come they mingle
there's a mix of free or cheep eats and bad ass FREE Wifi, Internet, and  a
few places to sample free tea as much as you want. go to the pear and gnosh
there's

How the heck can a city bigger than santa fe that's at most a meter above
sea level git this shit right? (sort of)

End rant.




On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Edward Angel <an...@cs.unm.edu> wrote:

> Not everywhere in NM are things as bad as in SF.
>
> I  was talking to Barry this morning at FRIAM about City Link (
> citylinkfiber.com) which offers fiber connectivity in ABQ. They use
> robots to lay fiber in sewers. Besides gigabit service, as a comparison,
> 100 Mbs bidirectional to the home is $50/month. John Brown of CityLink
> tried to put a fiber ring in SF at his expense and then sell service in
> Santa Fe. He spent years trying to get the city to cooperate without
> success.
>
> Also, there are place around Santa Fe that took advantage of a variety of
> programs to improve their broadband availability> Santa Fe may wind up
> being a black hole in the middle of the state.
>
> Availability of broadband in what Owen classifies as third world may
> surprise many of you. Many developing countries weren’t burdened by copper
> infrastructure and have been able to make major improvements while we’re
> stuck with legacy providers using their political power to prevent progress.
>
> Ed
> _______________________
>
> Ed Angel
>
> Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory
> (ARTS Lab)
> Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico
>
> 1017 Sierra Pinon
> Santa Fe, NM 87501
> 505-984-0136 (home)   an...@cs.unm.edu
> 505-453-4944 (cell)  http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel
>
> On Aug 12, 2016, at 3:10 PM, Owen Densmore <o...@backspaces.net> wrote:
>
> When Angelou consultants created an economic development plan for the
> city at the start of the Santa Fe Complex, this was a zinger:
>
>
> Do you remember the Angelou Plan which the city paid for?  Beyond his
> starting his initial review with "You realize of course that your City Council
> is dysfunctional.", he had several great points, one of which is the lack
> of a "youth culture".  Basically we're forcing our kids out of town, and/or
> not making it pleasant for them to come to town.
>
>
> And there's this classic:
>     http://chriscervini.com/2014/04/01/oh-sad-new-mexico-
> we-love-we-love-you-so/
>
> We just gotta face it: we live in the third world. Its worth it for many
> of us and the quirks start to become, er, interesting.
>
>    -- Owen
>
> On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 11:54 AM, ┣glen┫ <geprope...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> The squid is a false prophet!
>>
>> On 08/12/2016 10:50 AM, Gillian Densmore wrote:
>> > Next time I have a chat with a famous squid and it's worshipers I'll
>> ask.
>>
>> --
>> ␦glen?
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