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<> Hell is other people -- John Paul Sarte Marcus FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam

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David - I think that is a good example... at least for me. I have struggled with this duality all of my life... having a natural curiosity about other places/things/people and that innate "fear of difference or unknown", I have had an almost morbid fascination with playing up against "the Oth

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Dave wriets: "The secular right — and yes there really is such a thing — believes the opposite, i.e. that humans are intrinsically good, but subject to corruption. [perhaps the only good thing, for the republican party, in trump's ascendancy is the opportunity to take back the party from the re

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I don't want to distract the conversation, so consider this as an aside: The "monotheistic right" aka the "religious right" does indeed believe that all humans are intrinsically evil, but capable of redemption if they subscribe to and submit to religious authority. This is true of christianity, is

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On 11/14/2016 12:50 PM, Prof David West wrote: all humans, probably all animals, are innately xenophobic, we are all afraid of the "other." This is nature. But, fear of the black man, or the woman, or whatever, comes about only when our context, the collective / the culture gives definition to

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My adopted daughter was born in Mexico. She lived in Pittsburgh for over a year before we moved to Santa Fe. She went to a small, private kindergarten there which was very diverse with Asians, Arabs, African Americans, and many blonde Americans. After she had been in school in Santa Fe for awhil

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perhaps an example, perhaps not: all humans, probably all animals, are innately xenophobic, we are all afraid of the "other." This is nature. But, fear of the black man, or the woman, or whatever, comes about only when our context, the collective / the culture gives definition to the xenophobic "o

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Glen - Not to be argumentative, but: /Yes, the racist attributes of the system map to the individual's myopia, their inability to extrapolate to the consequences of their own actions. But at the system layer, the attribute is racism. At the individual layer, the attributes are not ra

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wedtech lunch >>> and friam coffee/breakfast. Oops, forgot, they're working." >>> >>> >>> "Hmm... well we could move one to the weekend?" >>> >>> >>> Google for some Pentecostal or other Evangelical churches in the area

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er Evangelical churches in the area >> (esp. in the outskirts or poorer part of town), and go to them on the >> weekend. In the spirit of contrition and all that. >> >> >> Marcus >> ------ >> *From:* Friam on behalf of Owen Densmore &l

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<> In a democracy, we are equals. They've acted in their own self- interest, and I didn't really need to. I voted for our collective interest, which was, as far as I am concerned, sabotaged in obscene fashion by rust belt voters, possibly for generations. Individuals that don't listen to

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On 11/14/2016 09:20 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > They are attributes of the parts. These parts have failed to recognize > their own corruption and participation in implicit bias, and it is on them, > not `elites' to `educate' them on how to think. But you're relying on the same whole/part ambi

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l that. > > > > Marcus > > From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> on > behalf of Owen Densmore mailto:o...@backspaces.net>> > Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 12:54:51 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] T

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<> They are attributes of the parts. These parts have failed to recognize their own corruption and participation in implicit bias, and it is on them, not `elites' to `educate' them on how to think. My last two cars have been relatively expensive hybrid cars made in Michigan. All things

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"Police get solid wages, great benefits, and a respected place in their communities. For elites to write them off as racists is a telling example of how, although race- and sex-based insults are no longer acceptable in polite society, class-based insults still are." Williams demonstrates, yet a

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l that. > > > Marcus > -- > *From:* Friam on behalf of Owen Densmore < > o...@backspaces.net> > *Sent:* Sunday, November 13, 2016 12:54:51 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Trump I

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Frank writes: "Another relevant article https://hbr.org/2016/11/what-so-many-people-dont-get-about-the-u-s-working-class"; Thanks for the article. I wonder, are there really surprises here, especially to our middle aged (and older) readers? Oregon tends to vote democrat thanks to Portland and th

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Another relevant article https://hbr.org/2016/11/what-so-many-people-dont-get-about-the-u-s-working-class Frank - Thanks for this article. Between bouts of thinking up worst-case-scenarios and then how one man's Dystopia is another's Utopia, I also struggle to understand the deeper cau

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t; friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind > Clinton | FiveThirtyEight > > > > I *love* the bubble! > > > > Joy is Hope's best friend. > > > > BTW: I realize I've posted this in the past, and my ve

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pplied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight I *love* the bubble! Joy is Hope's best friend. BTW: I realize I've posted this in the past, and my version of it uses s/fuck/damn/. But I've only got a lim

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fee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight "I know everyone will laugh at me for this. But I tend to think of Canada as more powerful than the US ... but it's a "soft" style, like judo vs karate." Look at small

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ect: Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight Those are all excellent points and I find it difficult to disagree with any of them. But I'll try anyway. 8^) ... interleaved below. On 11/11/2016 05:54 PM, VLADIMYR BURACHYNSKY wrote: > Knowing that p

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Those are all excellent points and I find it difficult to disagree with any of them. But I'll try anyway. 8^) ... interleaved below. On 11/11/2016 05:54 PM, VLADIMYR BURACHYNSKY wrote: > Knowing that power is an illusion seems to make little difference to those > that believe Power is the Ultim

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t; -------------- > > *From: *"┣glen┫" > *To: *"The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group" < > friam@redfish.com> > *Sent: *Friday, November 11, 2016 11:38:56 AM > *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind >

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"The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group" Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 11:38:56 AM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight But it's useful to remember that collectives are not organisms, regardless how attracti

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m on behalf of VLADIMYR BURACHYNSKY Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 10:08:48 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight Gentlemen and ladies, There seem to be many diverse combatants de

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But it's useful to remember that collectives are not organisms, regardless how attractive that analogy is. This is one of the reasons I care more about the liver rather than, say, the brain. In collectives, individuals that _seem_ entrained in some forcing structure, that for all intents and

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Bravo! Nicely said. I like it because, I think, it goes well with my treatise On The Conservation of Damn's. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://re

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.   The Radical Moderate vib - Original Message - From: "Steven A Smith" To: "The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group" Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 9:34:25 PM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyE

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One pundit's measure of Trump's "Fascism": https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/10/21/how-fascist-is-donald-trump-theres-actually-a-formula-for-that/ On 11/10/16 9:33 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: Fascinating Frank, thanks for the link! Having been something like an anarchist (n

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Fascinating Frank, thanks for the link! Having been something like an anarchist (not Anarchist) most of my life, I never felt threatened by or implicated in "Populism"... I'm a bit of a knee-jerk anti-popular/ist on most topics, which I have to curb when the stakes go up. Just because Xx10^

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Interesting, Steve. "Populism" has long had a negative meaning for me. Maybe that's because I took a couple of undergraduate courses that focussed on Huey Long. In one of them (at Berkeley) the claim was made that Roosevelt saved the US from more radical solutions, represented by Long, with the N

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Until fairly recently I didn't realize that "Populism" carried a negative connotation. I had always heard it as a positive thing... The tie between populism and the rise of fascism changed that for me. I suppose *pure* populism is in fact fine, the awareness that the general population, the

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mplexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/ It seems that depressed economies imply we are going to have a rash of fascism everywhere. Here's to World War III. Cheers. On Tue, No

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http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/ It seems that depressed economies imply we are going to have a rash of fascism everywhere. Here's to World War III. Cheers. On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Gary Schiltz wrote: > Well put. This is not a game. > > > On Tuesday, November 8, 2016, Marcus Daniel

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“So I just don't give a Damn about the president, no matter who.“ You might as well round-up to all U.S. law for most of your kids’ lives as there will be enough turnover in the president’s Supreme court nominations to dramatically skew things to the right. “My first Damn is for Love & Compassi

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I *love* the bubble! Joy is Hope's best friend. BTW: I realize I've posted this in the past, and my version of it uses s/fuck/damn/. But I've only got a limited number of Damn's to give, and the fewer, the stronger. https://markmanson.net/not-giving-a-fuck So I just don't give a Damn about t

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Maine apparently legalized cannabis, too, though too close to call through the night. -- rec -- On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Owen Densmore wrote: > OTOH: California, Massachusetts and Nevada legalized marijuana. > > > FRIAM Applie

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nd irrelevant.Will have to find a way to navigate all this. Sigh. Marcus From: Friam <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of Steven A Smith <mailto:sasm...@swcp.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2016 5:16:56 PM To: The Friday Morning Applie

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The better question is what's the beer like in Canada. :P On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 9:38 AM, Owen Densmore wrote: > You notice, of course, that the OP was right, right? > > ​What's spooky is, even tho the overall percentage is currently >> Hillery 67.8% Trump 32.1% >> (good as a sure thing, rig

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You notice, of course, that the OP was right, right? ​What's spooky is, even tho the overall percentage is currently > Hillery 67.8% Trump 32.1% > (good as a sure thing, right?) but the details show margins that could > easily lead to a Trump win. > There's even an article on the same site: "T

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Will have to find a way to >> navigate all this. Sigh. >> Marcus >> ------ >> *From:* Friam on >> behalf of Steven A Smith >> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 8, 2016 5:16:56 PM >> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group >&

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gt; behalf of Steven A Smith > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 8, 2016 5:16:56 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind > Clinton | FiveThirtyEight > > > Glen - > > I appreciate the nuance h

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d a way to navigate all this. Sigh. Marcus *From:* Friam on behalf of Steven A Smith *Sent:* Tuesday, November 8, 2016 5:16:56 PM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight Glen - I appr

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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight Glen - I appreciate the nuance here. I have been dealing with crypto-fascists all of my life... we have discussed the libertarian vs the Libertarian, I have endured the years where Lefty political corr

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Twitter is, oddly enough, one of the most interesting live election programs. Weird. On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 8:33 PM, Owen Densmore wrote: > Wow, 538 has huge turn around: > > [image: Inline image 1] > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group lis

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Wow, 538 has huge turn around: [image: Inline image 1] FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://f

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There's a lot to [dis]agree with, here. >8^D But I'll start with the thing I mostly agree with: the damage being done to our culture is a function of the language we use. I don't think Trump or his ilk are the cause, though. They're the symptom. The cause is electronic communication. "Inn

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Glen - I appreciate the nuance here. I have been dealing with crypto-fascists all of my life... we have discussed the libertarian vs the Libertarian, I have endured the years where Lefty political correctness was approaching fascism and I have had to endure the Righty style fascism that seem

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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight The flaw with Coulter's argument, I realized as walking to the poll, is that there wouldn't be any filthy grandson of a German immigrant on the ballot for all those three generation born in america

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s-born > > > > *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Robert J. > Cordingley > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 08, 2016 8:34 AM > > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Trump I

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Steve writes: "Gary and Jill (and the others) may be irrelevant in the sense that neither has a chance of "winning the contest", but I would claim that yet another presumed irrelevant (Bernie Sanders) HAS significantly shaped the discussion and possibly the shape of Hillary's platform and possi

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I like the ANN analogy more than the JIT one... though perhaps my understanding of either is flawed. The JIT analogy is stronger, I think, because ANNs aren't (?) typically capable of multi-domain classification (right?). The extent to which they can operate over a space on which they're not t

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Gary - I agree that in the sense of the stakes being *very very* high, this is not a game. But winning the contest IS about strategy and tactics as much (or more) than it is about representing the will and interests of the citizenry. And I find that deeply sad. In that sense, our election

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Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight as is this: http://election.scholastic.com/vote/ Robert C On 11/5/16 12:20 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: Somewhat more optimistic, from my point of view: https

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o the environment. -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of ?glen? Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 8:25 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight

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Right. It's not quite right to suggest that switching codes is bimodal or bivalent. I think it's more of a spectrum, at least in an informal sense. If we were talking about a person trying to communicate a complex idea in a non-native language then switching to their native language, that wou

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Well put. This is not a game. On Tuesday, November 8, 2016, Marcus Daniels wrote: > "The fact that world H and world D are such closely adjacent possibles is > what I am savoring (in the sense of morbid fascination) for roughly the > next 24-36 hours. " > > To first order, this isn't about the i

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"The fact that world H and world D are such closely adjacent possibles is what I am savoring (in the sense of morbid fascination) for roughly the next 24-36 hours. " To first order, this isn't about the ideological aspirations of one candidate vs. the other (or the completely irrelevant others

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Well, I tend to use "rational" to mean analytic, cutting up. So when the liberals I was talking to expressed that the vote Trump as molotov cocktail was rational, I heard "if that's the way you slice up the world, then it makes sense ... it's not nonsense." But by saying it was unreasonable, the

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I guess I already feel I have to "code switch" all the time already... I have to speak a pidgin of Left/Right/Green/Libertarian/Anarchist just to communicate with my friends and colleagues on these matters. I understand and agree that in world D, the emergent patois will be much less familiar

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son/naturaldesigns/> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Gary Schiltz Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 3:47 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal P

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"I'm used to this type of code switch when I go home and talk to the right wingers in my family. But if Trump wins I expect I'll have to do it up here too." An elaboration of my metaphor would be that some of the tactics run in an interpreter (D) and some are compiled (H). The interpreter (pre

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That's it in the abstract. But to be more concrete, if Trump wins, I'll have to talk with various people about specific consequences of whatever his administration does. Eg since Renee's a nurse and I have cancer, I have to discuss healthcare and insurance and unions in specific. With Obama and

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sh comes to shove. M would rather not waste cycles and memory on the D deck. From: Friam on behalf of Steven A Smith Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 6:28:27 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A

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This probably reflects my naivete, but I'm not sure I understand why either of you (Marcus or Glen) expect to need to do significantly more "code switching" than you probably already do to bridge different communities or aspect of your life? Are you suggesting that there will be a new system i

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<> I know what you mean, but I don't expect to experience it as personal danger, at least right away. With some code switching, the new danger in the world could even benefit me. (`Benefit' defined in a banal survivalist sort of way.) The point is that at some point there is nothing worth

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"I have the same existential reaction to robots brewing coffee as I do Trump being elected. It's not dread, at all. It's exciting." I guess I have less tolerance for excitement than you have. But then, living at a distance (Ecuador) from the fracus, I am somewhat insulated from the immediate eff

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On 11/07/2016 12:59 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/07/opinion/on-election-eve-a-brexistential-dread.html I like this quote better: "The point is not to despair, for that is exactly the reaction that people like Trump want to induce in those who oppose him. The point i

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cody dooderson *Sent:* Monday, November 7, 2016 11:29:00 AM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight It might not be too late to start the free edX course on voting fraud. https://www.

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, 2016 10:44 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight Dave's screed does not take the question seriously. It (over)simply accuses the Clinton campaign of over-simplifying. (Then it

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xity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight It might not be too late to start the free edX course on voting fraud. https://www.edx.org/course/us-voting-access-fraud-davidsonx-davnowxvoting . Cody Smith On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 a

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It might not be too late to start the free edX course on voting fraud. https://www.edx.org/course/us-voting-access-fraud-davidsonx-davnowxvoting . Cody Smith On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 10:43 AM, ┣glen┫ wrote: > > Dave's screed does not take the question seriously. It (over)simply > accuses the Cli

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Dave's screed does not take the question seriously. It (over)simply accuses the Clinton campaign of over-simplifying. (Then it goes a step further and hopes Clinton's oversimplifying is fatal so that the other oversimplifier wins the election.) But we don't want to commit tu quoqe. Just bec

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mplexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 6:15 PM, Prof David West mailto:profw...@fastmail.fm>> wrote: If Trump were to win this election, the number one reason is the insistence of democrats a

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And to be fair, at least the Elites we're discussing, I think, are for both helping reduce poverty and providing free/affordable higher education. How so very Euro! On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Owen Densmore wrote: > Re: Elites -- I think the most important part of the concept is that they >

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On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 6:15 PM, Prof David West wrote: > If Trump were to win this election, the number one reason is the > insistence of democrats and liberals to demonize and marginalize the > populace supporting Trump. > > If the only people that support him are "angry" racist" "xenophobic" >

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Re: Elites -- I think the most important part of the concept is that they aren't even aware they *are* elite. They just keep trucking. And no blame, just maybe a bit of humility and self awareness would be good for them to add to their mix. On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 10:04 AM, Owen Densmore wrote: >

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On 11/07/2016 08:01 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Reductionism is a null hypothesis: First make sure something doesn't yield > to decomposition. Glen writes: "But there's rarely time or political capital to do that _first_. Obamacare is a great example. Had we focused on an essentialist so

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On 11/07/2016 08:01 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Reductionism is a null hypothesis: First make sure something doesn't yield > to decomposition. But there's rarely time or political capital to do that _first_. Obamacare is a great example. Had we focused on an essentialist solution, nothing

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"Of course, I suppose I could be pissing in the wind, here, because at least half of the people who study complexity are crypto-reductionists who believe that all complex phenomena arise from simple rules (with particular characteristics). If we just dig deep enough, think hard enough, compute

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On 11/05/2016 11:59 AM, Owen Densmore wrote: > We do need to get over "who's going to win?​" and ask "why has Trump got such > a *huge* following?" The Anti-Democratic Heart of Populism https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/anti-democratic-politics-of-populism-by-andres-velasco-2016-10 "

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I cannot find a link at the moment, but this reminds me of an excellent rant by Jon Stewart from a few years back about the use of "elite" as an insult against Obama. Jon's point was that while it makes sense to criticize a President if he is being "an elitist", it is pretty safe to say that we *wa

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Thompson! Oh boy an ARGUMENT! But about what? I'm not sure... but that shan't slow me down! As a matter of practice, I think *anyone* who thinks they are uniquely qualified to make decisions for others is "elite" or a member of "an elite" (or more acutely "the elite"). This includes Bi

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ompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 10:13 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight It

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ofessor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ <http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/> *From:*Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Prof David West *Sent:* Sunday, November 06, 2016 6:15

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sh.com<mailto:friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight If Trump were to win this election, the number one reason is the insistence of democrats and liberals to demonize and marginalize the populace supporting Trump.

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Sunday, November 06, 2016 6:15 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight If Trump were to win this election, the number one reason is the insistence of democrats and liberals to demonize and marginalize the populace supporting

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fish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight If Trump were to win this election, the number one reason is the insistence of democrats and liberals to demonize and marginalize the populace supporting Trump. If the only people that support hi

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It's based on BetFair a betting site in the UK. US citizens can't use it. On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 5:19 PM Frank Wimberly wrote: > This is updated every 10 minutes so it reflects some reaction to today's > new FBI letter to Congress: > > https://electionbettingodds.com/ > > Frank > > Frank Wimberl

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This is updated every 10 minutes so it reflects some reaction to today's new FBI letter to Congress: https://electionbettingodds.com/ Frank Frank Wimberly Phone (505) 670-9918 On Nov 6, 2016 6:15 PM, "Prof David West" wrote: > If Trump were to win this election, the number one reason is the >

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If Trump were to win this election, the number one reason is the insistence of democrats and liberals to demonize and marginalize the populace supporting Trump. If the only people that support him are "angry" racist" "xenophobic" "out-of-work-white- men" "could-not-graduate-from-college-because-o

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Comey recants! New Comey letter: FBI has not changed its conclusion regarding Clinton use of personal email server https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/79536004726784 I wonder if Comey has biased the race significantly? Nice to have this late announcement, but with Early Voting so popular,

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effect, based on what seems to be happening in NC. From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 3:37 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton

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Nate's reaction to this: https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/794994593574113282 Must have hit a nerve. Frank Wimberly Phone (505) 670-9918 On Nov 5, 2016 3:33 PM, "Marcus Daniels" wrote: > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nate-silver-election-forecast_us_ > 581e1c33e4b0d9ce6fbc6f7f >

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