Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-29 Thread Marcus Daniels
Pamela: “But I don’t know if productivity of those 24/7 workers has been measured in a sound, qualitative way.” There is a certain euphoria in momentum even if it means long hours, especially if it is a task that is self-directed. Stopping hurts more than it helps. Days, weeks, months can pa

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-29 Thread Nick Thompson
xity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again] Nick- Steve, For me, there are only two questions I want you to ask yourself: Is the Trump administration likely to do things that will irrevocably decrease the quality of life of people you care about? yes (How wide

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-29 Thread Marcus Daniels
Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again] Is the FRIAM list social media? Frank Wimberly Phone (505) 670-9918 On Jan 29, 2017 10:11 AM, "Marcus Daniels" mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: Pamela writes: “Turkle suggests all kinds of times out

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-29 Thread Pamela McCorduck
> On Jan 29, 2017, at 10:11 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > Pamela writes: > > “Turkle suggests all kinds of times out from technology—dinner time, before > bed, that sort of thing.” > > There’s conflict that is created between those people that use electronic > communication non-stop for th

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-29 Thread Frank Wimberly
Is the FRIAM list social media? Frank Wimberly Phone (505) 670-9918 On Jan 29, 2017 10:11 AM, "Marcus Daniels" wrote: > *Pamela writes:* > > > > *“*Turkle suggests all kinds of times out from technology—dinner time, > before bed, that sort of thing.” > > > > There’s conflict that is created bet

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-29 Thread Marcus Daniels
Pamela writes: “Turkle suggests all kinds of times out from technology—dinner time, before bed, that sort of thing.” There’s conflict that is created between those people that use electronic communication non-stop for their work vs. those that don’t want to. The former are essentially workin

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-29 Thread Pamela McCorduck
> On Jan 29, 2017, at 12:14 AM, Nick Thompson > wrote: > > So we’re stuck, right, Pamela? There’s nothing we can do? Just sit and take > it? > > Nick Oh no. Partly it’s self-correcting. Sherry Turkle (Reclaiming Conversation, and also a new Kindle single interview with Turkle by Paula

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-29 Thread Steven A Smith
28, 2017 9:50 PM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again] Nick - I know I don't always seem to take your questions seriously, but I generally do. I DO think the computer industry HAS effectively contributed to a certain

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-29 Thread Pamela McCorduck
essor of Psychology and Biology >>> Clark University >>> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ >>> <http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/> >>> >>> From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com >>> <mailto

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Nick Thompson
orning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again] < So, the question is , “Should we do what we can do, no matter how lame or ineffectual it might seem?” Or, should we pull back, “move to Spain’, and leave it to others, “the politicians”, to lower themselves t

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Nick Thompson
ompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Pamela McCorduck Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2017 4:53 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again] Before we blame any particular technology for what seems l

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Nick Thompson
ickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Steven A Smith Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2017 9:50 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again] Nick - I know I don't always seem to take your que

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Steven A Smith
Sent:*Saturday, January 28, 2017 1:15 PM *To:*The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group mailto:friam@redfish.com>> *Subject:*Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again] Toolkit? This rusty old box filled with rusty things that once resembled sharp tools and useful fasteners? I was thinking th

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Steven A Smith
*From:*Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Steven A Smith *Sent:* Saturday, January 28, 2017 9:38 AM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <mailto:friam@redfish.com> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again] What can

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Steven A Smith
*Reply-To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group mailto:friam@redfish.com>> *Date: *Saturday, January 28, 2017 at 11:34 AM *To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group mailto:friam@redfish.com>> *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM]

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Grant Holland
to:friam-boun...@redfish.com]*On Behalf Of*Steven A Smith *Sent:*Saturday, January 28, 2017 1:15 PM *To:*The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group mailto:friam@redfish.com>> *Subject:*Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again] Toolkit? This rusty old box filled with rusty things that

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Marcus Daniels
< So, the question is , “Should we do what we can do, no matter how lame or ineffectual it might seem?” Or, should we pull back, “move to Spain’, and leave it to others, “the politicians”, to lower themselves to do what needs to be done. > Andrés asserts it is not populism by another means.

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Pamela McCorduck
our tool kit more effective than that! >> >> Nick >> >> Nicholas S. Thompson >> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology >> Clark University >> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ >> <http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enicktho

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Nick Thompson
lf Of Steven A Smith Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2017 9:38 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <mailto:friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again] What can WE hobbits do? Scratch our hairy knuckles and indulge in second dinnerses? Fun asid

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Gary Schiltz
>> >> >> >> Now what politicians and opposition leaders do to manage this problem is >> a different matter. That is about appearances not reality. >> >> >> >> Marcus >> >> >> >> >> >> *From: *Friam on behalf of &q

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Nick Thompson
PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again] It is worth noting he’s living in Spain. From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com> > on behalf of "Robert J. Cordingley" mailto:rob...@cirrillian.com> >

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Steven A Smith
/ <http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/> *From:*Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>] *On Behalf Of *Steven A Smith *Sent:* Saturday, January 28, 2017 9:38 AM *To:* The Friday Morning A

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Gary Schiltz
is problem is a > different matter. That is about appearances not reality. > > > > Marcus > > > > > > *From: *Friam on behalf of "Robert J. > Cordingley" > *Reply-To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Dat

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Steven A Smith
017 9:38 AM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again] What can WE hobbits do? Scratch our hairy knuckles and indulge in second dinnerses? Fun aside, I DO appreciate your sentiment here and agree that the Narcissist in Chief

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Marcus Daniels
It is worth noting he’s living in Spain. From: Friam on behalf of "Robert J. Cordingley" Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Date: Saturday, January 28, 2017 at 11:34 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcis

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Marcus Daniels
e Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again] The Washington Post has an interesting essay from a Venezuelan on what to do and mostly what not to do. https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/01/27/in-venezuela-we-couldnt-stop-chav

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Gillian Densmore
hen > > > Sent from my Tricorder > > Original message > From: Nick Thompson > Date: 1/28/17 01:57 (GMT+01:00) > To: Friam > Cc: penny thompson , 'Bruce Simon' < > bjs...@yahoo.com>, 'Dix McComas' , 'Grant Franks' <

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Robert J. Cordingley
*Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Steven A Smith *Sent:* Saturday, January 28, 2017 9:38 AM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again] What can WE hobbits do? Scratch our hairy knuckles and indulge in second din

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Nick Thompson
ickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Steven A Smith Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2017 9:38 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again] What can WE hobbits do? Scratch our hairy knuc

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Steven A Smith
:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Jochen Fromm *Sent:* Saturday, January 28, 2017 1:39 AM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group ; Friam *Cc:* penny thompson ; 'Bruce Simon' ; 'Dix McComas' ; 'Grant Franks' *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] [

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Nick Thompson
Bruce Simon' ; 'Dix McComas' ; 'Grant Franks' Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again] Yes, agree. Trump’s point of view is “Whatever I can win with is true.” And if he wins with what we call “a lie”, it is true for him. Exactly. If you ask how we can coun

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Jochen Fromm
n , 'Bruce Simon' , 'Dix McComas' , 'Grant Franks' Subject: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again] Hi everybody,I kind of got buried by the list last week, but we seem to keep coming back to this topic, even when we are  talking about globalism. So.  Let me just share one

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-27 Thread Nick Thompson
link.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Friday, January 27, 2017 8:42 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-27 Thread Marcus Daniels
< What nick said was, "[For such a person as trump,] there is no truth of the matter, there is only the exercise of power." > I was capturing the essential bit. Nothing good ever comes from attribution. Marcus FRIAM Applied Complexi

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-27 Thread Gillian Densmore
ish.com> > *Cc:* penny thompson ; 'Bruce Simon' < > bjs...@yahoo.com>; 'Dix McComas' ; 'Grant Franks' < > grantfra...@earthlink.net> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again] > > > > Nick writes: > > > > “*

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-27 Thread Nick Thompson
els Sent: Friday, January 27, 2017 6:41 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Cc: penny thompson ; 'Bruce Simon' ; 'Dix McComas' ; 'Grant Franks' Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again] Nick writes: "There is no truth

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-27 Thread Frank Wimberly
riday, January 27, 2017 6:40 PM >> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < >> friam@redfish.com> >> *Cc:* penny thompson ; Bruce Simon < >> bjs...@yahoo.com>; Dix McComas ; Grant Franks < >> grantfra...@earthlink.net> >> *Subject

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-27 Thread Frank Wimberly
:40 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Cc:* penny thompson ; Bruce Simon < > bjs...@yahoo.com>; Dix McComas ; Grant Franks < > grantfra...@earthlink.net> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again] &

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-27 Thread Nick Thompson
lexity Coffee Group Cc: penny thompson ; Bruce Simon ; Dix McComas ; Grant Franks Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again] problematize (Ugh!) the Deweyan to see as problematic? On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 5:57 PM, Nick Thompson mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net> > wrote:

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-27 Thread Owen Densmore
Just a thought: Don't emergency rooms have to treat anyone who walks through the door? I recall seeing a *lot* of that when my mom-in-law was in the hospital. These were folks with fairly minor problems like a rash or the flu. And I'm delighted they got care. So all minimizing ACA will do is up t

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-27 Thread Marcus Daniels
Nick writes: "There is no truth of the matter; there is only the exercise of power. " [..] "So, if we are going to counter Trump, it cannot be by demonstrating that he lies. It has to be by demonstrating that liars don't win." He's old and nearing the last round of his iterated Prisoner's Dil

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-27 Thread Owen Densmore
> > problematize (Ugh!) the Deweyan to see as problematic? On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 5:57 PM, Nick Thompson wrote: > Hi everybody, > > > > I kind of got buried by the list last week, but we seem to keep coming > back to this topic, even when we are talking about globalism. > > > > So. Let me ju

[FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-27 Thread Nick Thompson
Hi everybody, I kind of got buried by the list last week, but we seem to keep coming back to this topic, even when we are talking about globalism. So. Let me just share one thought. I have said a hundred times that I think the great achievement of the Right in my life time has been to