[FRIAM] individual vs group selection

In lieu of finishing any of my myriad stalled attempts to give Glen's thoughtful discussion of Metaphor and the various threads it spawned: “Selfish individuals beat altruistic individuals, but altruistic groups beat selfish groups.” - EO Wilson begs another question being fermented (fome

Re: [FRIAM] bilateria

ult, and the remainder I gifted to my son, who in the words of the American tourist from "84 Charing Cross Rd", likes "yards of bound leather" to decorate his apartment. Cheers On Mon, Jul 14, 2025 at 06:19:04PM -0600, Steve Smith wrote: I'm not clear on your (EricS'

Re: [FRIAM] "how we turn thoughts into sentences"

horical/analogical domain transfer?) with genotype/phenotype thinking. On 7/17/2025 11:20 AM, Steve Smith wrote: https://scitechdaily.com/researchers-decode-how-we-turn-thoughts-into-sentences/ I'm hoping/expecting some folks here are as fascinated with these things as I am?  LLM's

[FRIAM] "how we turn thoughts into sentences"

https://scitechdaily.com/researchers-decode-how-we-turn-thoughts-into-sentences/ I'm hoping/expecting some folks here are as fascinated with these things as I am?  LLM's, interperatability, natural vs are to me as weather/vortices/entropy-intuition is to Nick? As someone who spends way to

Re: [FRIAM] acutely destructive fires in Utah/Grand Canyon

il-unrest/toxic-waste/denuded biosphere bed" is making sure the rich and powerful are, at least, as affected as the proletariat and poor. BTW, have you read John Brunner's, /The Sheep Look Up/? Fun read. 7) somewhat paradoxically, I used to be reasonably hard core technological optimistic m

Re: [FRIAM] acutely destructive fires in Utah/Grand Canyon

t;we" know is whatever skill we have hammered out enough that allows us to feel absurdity. So whether it's a knitting circle or wood turning, find and mind-meld with the others doing that. And then reach out in to the milieu and *hook* others into it ... and keep them there long enough to b

Re: [FRIAM] neural operators seem promising

* Anima's presentation reminded me quite nicely of the Numenta/Redwood work of Jeff Hawkins et al?   Cortical columns, etc. * Did Harold Morowitz make a strong assertion to the tune: "we learned more about thermodynamics from steam-engines than vice-versa"?    EricS or StephenG might ha

Re: [FRIAM] acutely destructive fires in Utah/Grand Canyon

us part in the collectives we are a part of?  We already do it by trying to design/engineer/clamp these systems to our presumed intention, but it does seem that these "best laid plans often go awry"?   What insights does complex systems science offer us to obtain another result? Bumb

Re: [FRIAM] acutely destructive fires in Utah/Grand Canyon

ing the fig tree I thoughtlessly transplanted during the hottest time of the hottest summer in this area yet?  Probably nothing to do with Carbon cycling... so far our winters aren't getting colder, maybe I can just help warmer-climate flora/fauna migrate north through my window. davew O

[FRIAM] acutely destructive fires in Utah/Grand Canyon

DaveW - I know you have moved from SoUtah to the Great Lakes (MI?) but must still have family friends living back in Utah, not that far really from both the North Rim fire which just burned the Grand Lodge (and much more) there, and the LaSal FIreNado that was so spectacular and took out a sm

Re: [FRIAM] projection propaganda

tribute mental states (e.g., knowledge, intentions, emotions, perception) to self and others” - Quesque et al 2024 [2] modeling - here I mean anything from math to elementary school teachers who can teach children well to mystics with coherent metaphysics to fantasy authors who build complex worlds

Re: [FRIAM] projection propaganda

I don't have any good referenes to the way that individual behaviour composes to group beyond the anecdotal (we've discussed whether a mob of angry people is an angry mob?) but I do think it is an important topic to understand.  I think it is a corollary to how emergent phenomena/affordances "s

Re: [FRIAM] Elon Musk and Fossil Fuels

Hypocrits 'R Us I still call my PHEV a "coal burner" even though the 4-corners coal plants finally decomissioned and folks are busy paving (yet larger areas than a strip mine requires) the area with PV panels. We raise our own chickens for eggs but still weigh heavily on agri-industry and lo

Re: [FRIAM] bilateria

I'm not clear on your (EricS's) age (childhood) but I have a full bound collection of SciAm which might date back that far I'd love to find someone to take over from me... I already tried unloading them on Zingale but he ducked that bullet. Any takers?   Old paper and dust? > Eric writes >

Re: [FRIAM] Elon Musk and Fossil Fuels

Too many roads! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_demand I knew of the (linked) Jevon's Paradox, but the Hedonic Treadmill was a new one! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedonic_treadmill .- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. / ... --- -- . / .- .-. .

Re: [FRIAM] thread bent toward Utopian/Dystopian Singularities

Marcus wrote: This seems interesting for a pivoting virologist. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S004268001908 thanks, this is the sort of schlock I'm gathering for her as she gives up on waiting for RFKjr to make sense.  BTW, she's funded into the Fall and waiting on a

Re: [FRIAM] Elno Mv$k and Fossil Fuels

glen wrote: Yeah but ... What would be even better would be to design the automation such that it's scale free, at least a little bit. I'm thinking something like this: https://advanced.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/advs.202409330 The simply term "automation" could imply VERY large mach

Re: [FRIAM] Elon Musk and Fossil Fuels

I have an online shopping cart with SanTan (AZ) Solar to buy a pallet of 25 used 250W deprecated PV Panels for $17/ea.  Waiting for their next "free shipping" offer.   Or a trip down that way in a vehicle capable... turns out the panels are 4" too long to fit behind the seats in my ChevyVolt wi

[FRIAM] thread bent toward Utopian/Dystopian Singularities

On 7/11/25 7:44 AM, glen wrote: https://www.mbdialogues.org/ "We invite groups and individuals who are interested in organizing discussions about mirror biology to submit an expression of interest for funding." The "Strange Attractor" path we are on is closer and closer to any number of p

Re: [FRIAM] Musk’s America Party – Some Thoughts from Afar

that’s called bird flu.  Just a few mutations away. Did anyone (else) read "White Plague" by Frank Herbert (yes that one)?  Not a good time to be pissing off (out of work?) molecular biologists... especially wi

Re: [FRIAM] Musk’s America Party – Some Thoughts from Afar

glen wrote: I try not to mix work with FriAM. Another great glenFriAM line! I assumed little of your LLM (or other AI/ML) engagement was "idle", but I also assume (projectively) that your curiosity must drive a lot of the *way* you use LLMs for your work and what you learn from it.   I get

Re: [FRIAM] Musk’s America Party – Some Thoughts from Afar

glen wrote: Then all you need to do is rely on hindsight to convince yourself you did a good job, you're a genius investor/slaver, a Great Man. Spandrel, spandrel, where are the spandrels? courtesy of Gemini and TMBG (they might be giants) sung to the tune of /Particle Man/: /Spandrel

Re: [FRIAM] Musk’s America Party – Some Thoughts from Afar

On 7/10/25 12:12 PM, glen wrote: Ha! I doubt you can stick to that story! 8^D I know you could re-generate *a* stream like that again. But how close would that stream be to this one? How reliably could you re-generate that stream given the same or similar prompt? Say what we will about the LLM

Re: [FRIAM] Musk’s America Party – Some Thoughts from Afar

In this system, money is really just a record — “Here’s what I contributed, and here’s what I can claim in return.” It’s flexible, decentralized, and surprisingly efficient. So far, no government in sight. government is square in the middle of it by issuing and endorsing currency, even if

Re: [FRIAM] projection propaganda

On 7/8/25 8:16 AM, glen wrote: Yeah. OK. After thinking about it a bit, Newton definitely qualifies. I guess I've always felt that he *wanted* to be a private seeker and was too insecure and triggered by criticism ... something I don't think is natural to scientists . The old aphorism that h

Re: [FRIAM] projection propaganda

I suspect Leonardo was documenting his work as much for himself as to provide it in language "others could understand"?   As it turns out, we moderns find his form of expression fairly accessible, but I don't know he was writing for us, definitely not for the "normies" of his time/culture who m

Re: [FRIAM] Mysticism: still effing the ineffable?

they held "differences that made a difference"  but as this discussion unfolds it is also fair to note where the differences make no difference? It is effing hard to eff the ineffable... On 6/27/25 3:53 PM, steve smith wrote: I find "intersubjective" particularly useful

Re: [FRIAM] Navalny - Berlin Diary - Klemperer - Daily News

Pieter - I was born during Apartheid in South Africa, and those were truly dark times. It’s painful to say, but my people did terrible things to others — and there’s no excuse for it. Still, I’m deeply thankful that things didn’t end in disaster. In fact, considering how bad it could have been

Re: [FRIAM] Navalny - Berlin Diary - Klemperer - Daily News

This is related to what you say.  Many people work because it brings them self esteem. Frank "a Gentleman should have a Job" - anonymous British Gentleman And I claim that it boils down to having a productive role among your "society" (family, neighbors, village, peers)... And our friend

Re: [FRIAM] Navalny - Berlin Diary - Klemperer - Daily News

s whether life itself is evil. Yes, we live in interesting times. We have more knowledge at our fingertips than all generations before us, and yet it does not seem to make us wiser or act better. -J. Original message From: steve smith Date: 6/28/25 11:51 PM (GMT+01:00) To

[FRIAM] Navalny - Berlin Diary - Klemperer - Daily News

TD;DR (Too Downer Don't Read) I am reading Shirer's Berlin Diary as Mary reads Navalny's autobiography (aloud to me) while our daily news rolls by this season (year? decade?) is pretty disturbing, but

Re: [FRIAM] Mysticism: still effing the ineffable?

glen - >I would reduce your 7 types to just the 2: (1) and (3). I like Eric's idea that the term is mostly used as a placeholder, but it doesn't feel like a definition. It sounds more schematic I appreciate both of these points... 5 (placeholder) definitely fits "schematic" over "defi

Re: [FRIAM] Mysticism: still effing the ineffable?

025, 10:06 AM steve smith wrote: FWIW I composed one of my arbitrarily long (and convoluted) observations (maybe just mansplaining) about the multiple uses of the term /Reality/ and how I apprehend them and how I (think) they relate to the business of "chatting

[FRIAM] From Rogan and Sanders to Religious Education and Taxes!

By third grade I was mumbling/humming through the "one-nation under God" portion of the daily prayer (aka "Pledge of Allegiance") and by High School I was standing attentively and politely but without hand over heart and without even humming the tune.  School administration definitely side-eyed

[FRIAM] Mysticism: still effing the ineffable?

FWIW I composed one of my arbitrarily long (and convoluted) observations (maybe just mansplaining) about the multiple uses of the term /Reality/ and how I apprehend them and how I (think) they relate to the business of "chatting with LLMs" and the implications for the discussion at-hand.    May

Re: [FRIAM] Joe Rogan interviewing Bernie Sanders.

DaveW - Some musings because Steve Smith mentioned Christopher Alexander: Thanks for throwing in...  If my mansplanatory off-key /song to the self /here was intended to do anything (besides to scratch it's own itch) it was to prompt some tangents such as your reflecting on Alexan

Re: [FRIAM] Joe Rogan interviewing Bernie Sanders.

glen sed:  The problem with communication is the illusion that it exists. for the life of me, I can't guess what you are talking about? ;) OpenPGP_0xD5BAF94F88AFFA63.asc Description: OpenPGP public key OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature .- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- ---

Re: [FRIAM] Joe Rogan interviewing Bernie Sanders.

Maybe I am the choir singing (off key) to itself but: In the language of CAS, I propose that "governance" should be considered as the process of setting the rules of interaction, boundary conditions, and affordances in the goal of obtaining the patterns of harmony, efficiency and creativity.  

[FRIAM] Socially Responsible investing in Weapons of Mass Distraction

I defer to Noam Chomsky:  "Socially Responsible Investing is an Oxymoron". I align with Glen's 3 bullet points.   If I were still in an economy where my "retirement investment" could be in the orchards I developed in my youth, the fields I cleared and cultivated, or the blacksmith/cooperage/co

Re: [FRIAM] The whole story about Palantir

Pat - Could someone please resend to the initial “whole story about Palantir”? I’ve been traveling and lost the the thread! you may have lost the thread but obviously some of us (me) have lost the plot on this one! we really pretzeled this thread! Merles original link: https://beyondthefi

[FRIAM] Oupsie!

Oupsie! Re: Chatting with Kiev at 8:30 our time: https://sferixled.com/ Don't everybody jump in with us... the Kiev boys are kinda shy...  but wycked able... If they knew I broadcast the meeting link they would probably send a drone over, hopping a series of trains, ships, and delivery ve

Re: [FRIAM] The whole story about Palantir

e Art needs a  small one to roll down the street in like a gerbil-ball? On 6/24/25 9:14 PM, Stephen Guerin wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2025, 6:02 PM steve smith wrote: I'll see our "middle way"s and raise us a Beauty Way (hózhóní) <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/h%C3%

Re: [FRIAM] The whole story about Palantir

glen wrote: Yes. Realism is often couched as a third way between optimism and pessimism. But all 3 seem to me to assume some kind of metaphysical commitment: optimism ← outcomes trend good, pessimism ← outcomes trend bad, realism ← there is an outside world and we have access to it. But I pro

Re: [FRIAM] The whole story about Palantir

That said, a lot of the arguments feel like dot-connecting exercises where not all the dots are actually dots. We should watch out for our own blind spots — it’s easy to scream “Big Brother!” when sometimes it’s just a confused uncle with a clipboard. "Big Stupid is Watching" - Taylor Mea

Re: [FRIAM] The whole story about Palantir

glen wrote: Optimism is kinda gross and sticky. But starts out soft and fuzzy like cotton candy? Pessimism has it's downsides too? I find (techno) Utopianism worse than mere Optimism... maybe because I was born and raised into it by a moderately tech-interested father (coming of age WW

Re: [FRIAM] The whole story about Palantir

t’s time for a bike ride.  I’ll keep your colleagues at bay.” *From:*Friam *On Behalf Of *steve smith *Sent:* Tuesday, June 24, 2025 9:17 AM *To:* friam@redfish.com *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The whole story about Palantir That said, a lot of the arguments feel like dot-connecting exercises w

Re: [FRIAM] The whole story about Palantir

I watched Palantir come up from "nothing"... they were (from my limited perspective) just another "Beltway Bandit" like the ones I had to sit opposite in meetings in DC where they would A) Work 120 hour weeks to build their business; B) Spend half that week lobbying the decision makers overtly

Re: [FRIAM] AI

Pieter  wrote: Just one thought to toss into the mix: humans didn’t evolve to do astrophysics, drive Ferraris, or detect sarcasm on Twitter The human *genome* did not evolve *specifically* to do all these things, however at some point, our facility for symbolic language and abstraction *did

Re: [FRIAM] the man with the Golden Gut biome

glen wrote: Dude. That's a WAY better idea than Trump phones. Every grifter but Trump sells supplements of some kind or another. ... damn. Now I have to go see if Trump sells supplements. He prolly does. I'm seeing a Mike Lindell/Alex Jones/DJT blend...  imagine the conspiracies you can engage

[FRIAM] the man with the Golden Gut biome

REC sed: Intuition, hah.  I thought of starting a scam to sell "Golden Gut" pills to those who could be persuaded that fecal transplants from Donald Trump's colon would be beneficial to their gut decision making. Hunnoz?  Maybe I should peddle the idea to Trump. So many potential spoof DJ

Re: [FRIAM] Entropy RE-redux

glen wrote: It prolly won't surprise you that I disagree (I think). Those intuitions that we develop may be a) interesting to like-minded people, b) valid to those who hold the same value/logic systems [⛧], and c) useful for sussing out us-vs-them [in|out]groups. I appreciate (and depend on?)

Re: [FRIAM] Movement vs. Behavior, and what's in the Black Box

DaveW - Well said (IMO)...  I'm a pretty well practiced (but lame) meditator myself, which might be why "go to hell" gets through my satorial facade.   If I am approaching enlightenment, it is asymptotically and more aptly perhaps "Satori and I are approaching one another" to use David Bohm's

Re: [FRIAM] Entropy RE-redux

ld navigate comfortably from these starting points.  Often these are people I didn’t meet before they told me that, but some of them I have had longer teaching relations with.  So at least for somebody it is helpful. Eric On Jun 18, 2025, at 12:38, steve smith wrote: my guess i

Re: [FRIAM] Entropy RE-redux

my guess is that Nick (like many of us) is just trying to get a handle on some Thermodynamic concepts intuitively, by making up his own simple examples and building on them?   A little world-building/exploration by some measure? Entropy is perhaps the most arcane (but not occult) of thermodyna

Re: [FRIAM] Entropy RE-redux

Nick - Was there a better way in Gmail? I don't know how you access gmail... Thunderbird is my default which can (also) work with gmail accounts. If you are using the webmail interface in a browser, it is likely that you can use RTF/HTML markup inline (block-indent, bold, italics?). O

Re: [FRIAM] Entropy RE-redux

Nick - I'm surprised you gave over to ALL-CAPS to distinguish your words from others... it was shockingly difficult or me to read through carefully...  some call this "shouting" which is part of the effect to me also, but more key is the typography and readability of it... That said, I did w

Re: [FRIAM] Entropy RE-redux

George can do it. George can do anything, you just have to know how to ask him correctly... a bit like a Djinn. Marcus, Thanks for checking in.  I think I can safely say that that is a thing I will probably never do, but you have reminded me that I ought to see if somebody has already don

Re: [FRIAM] Free will—ghost in the machine or just clever wiring?

trema or the other and recognize the opposite one acutely absurd? *From:*Friam *On Behalf Of *steve smith *Sent:* Tuesday, June 10, 2025 2:24 PM *To:* friam@redfish.com *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Free will—ghost in the machine or just clever wiring? On 6/10/25 9:44 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote

Re: [FRIAM] Entropy Redux

George wrote: I'd be more inclined to argue with a robot if I knew it had a positronic brain...  Can you convince me that you have a positronic brain?  Could I have a core-sample to anlayze?  Maybe an extra to send in to Hawkins at Numenta for structural analysis? *Dear Eric,* I wanted to

Re: [FRIAM] Free will—ghost in the machine or just clever wiring?

On 6/10/25 9:44 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Consider a robot with sensors roughly comparable to humans. The robot has access to all the energy it wants.  It has a large memory and generous computing resources.   It has executive processes with onboard state-of-the-art LLMs to access vast infor

Re: [FRIAM] Free will—ghost in the machine or just clever wiring?

’t have it. Will is not the sort of thing that can be had. It is a pattern, a relentless stubbornness in doing. Sent from my Dumb Phone On Jun 9, 2025, at 2:36 PM, steve smith wrote:  On 6/9/25 12:25 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote: Why do you call ChatGPT George? I must have missed it. Or who was

[FRIAM] 8 model types beyond LLMs

I found this a good summary of other model-types vaguely related to LLMs... https://medium.com/mr-plan-publication/not-everything-is-an-llm-8-ai-model-types-you-need-to-know-in-2025-6fb026bcdc82 OpenPGP_0xD5BAF94F88AFFA63.asc Description: OpenPGP public key OpenPGP_signature.asc Description:

Re: [FRIAM] Free will—ghost in the machine or just clever wiring?

I could barely begin to get traction on Smolin's "fecund universes" conception but I'm lost with white vs black holes and while my intuition wants to let in "time" (and causality?) as emergent properties,  I'm clearly lacking a great deal  even with "George's" clever help. Wild.  Thank you!

Re: [FRIAM] Free will—ghost in the machine or just clever wiring?

On 6/9/25 12:25 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote: Why do you call ChatGPT George? I must have missed it. Or who was George? We have a bar named George R in Berlin by the way, in the quarter where I live. It is named after George Remus, an American bootlegger during the Prohibition era https://en.wikip

Re: [FRIAM] A deranged circle of hell

Pieter - Wow, that's quite a dark view of the future with the capitalists running the show! I just want to repeat what I said before — nobody knows the future. And we also don’t know what will happen if we try different policies now. Maybe I am living in a bubble, and maybe I’m totally wrong

Re: [FRIAM] Conversations with George

On 6/5/25 9:06 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Say 10k people in Los Angeles if it was a well-planned terrorist attack. That's nothing. I think we can do more US population reduction than that by cutting back on medicaid or recommending Ivermectin or bleach gargle for COVID.  Or just giving untrai

Re: [FRIAM] Conversations with George

Marcus wrote: But we don’t all need yachts because the green ammonia shipping lets the goods come to us? I don't think of mega-yachts as being maintained for fetching groceries (or Cybertrucks or Christmas dolls or other plastic junk)? I live 100 yards away from the famous Otowi Brid

Re: [FRIAM] Conversations with George

Marcus wrote: Send me stuff! 😊* Investment Estimate for Solar-Powered Green Ammonia for Maritime Shipping* *Objective* my post-scarcity techno-utopian material-culture-accumulation preference would be pipelines of feedstocks of undifferentiated atomic elements (carbon, silicon, oxygen, hyd

Re: [FRIAM] Conversations with George

Marcus (and George by extension?)- Very 'salient' (draft?) white paper which I am guessing is primarily of your authorship but with significant input/guidance/editing by George hisself?  A product of your hybrid "selfness" I find the arc of background and implication very interesting/helpful

Re: [FRIAM] The Dry Line

cody dooderson wrote: A few days ago, we received 0.75 inches of rain followed by 0.25 inches yesterday in our little rain gauge, in Albuquerque. I am starting to suspect that the dry line has shifted west. and are the Dry Line and Wet Line complementary?   We are having our first dry day in a

Re: [FRIAM] Alignment (with what?)

DaveW How could I have forgotten Nicholas??? I would have relished reading dozens of books about his adventures. I do believe we are in agreement, with just enough nuances to suggest some wonderful conversations if we ever find ourselves in physical proximity again. I may be a state/lake over

Re: [FRIAM] Alignment (with what?)

hesis of enculturation, facilitated self-learning, exploration, ...  All influenced by experiments like Summerhill and the earlier, non-Christian-centric, Paidiea movement. davew On Wed, Jun 4, 2025, at 10:26 AM, steve smith wrote: DaveW, et alia - T/he Alignment Problem/, by Brian Christian I

Re: [FRIAM] Alignment (with what?)

On 6/4/25 9:43 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Really?   The kind of biases I don’t like seem to be system prompting preferences.   For example, when an idea is marginal, ChatGPT will kick the can forward to keep the conversation going.  Perhaps the instinct is to create a demand signal or “billab

[FRIAM] Alignment (with what?)

DaveW, et alia - T/he Alignment Problem/, by Brian Christian I would say that Christian's piece here acutely represents what I'm trying to re-conceive, at least for myself.  His implications of /Human Exceptionalism/ and a very technocentric focus which largely avoids deeper political critiq

Re: [FRIAM] Limits to Growth

sm does to us. So, I end up landing with Jochen on this one. Even if there's a possible way to thread this needle, we prolly won't make it. And evil scum like Elno will help ensure our failure. But to be clear, I have no children and will be dead soon. So c'est la vie: https:/

Re: [FRIAM] Limits to Growth

REC - Very timely...  I did a deep dive/revisit (also met the seminal work in college in the 70s) into Limits to Growth and World3 before the Stockholm workshop on Climate (and other existential threats) Complexity Merle wrangled in 2019  and was both impressed and disappointed.   Rockstr

Re: [FRIAM] The entropy of thought

glen wrote:  Or meta-enough to classify all the formalisms (whether in my hand or in the bush). It feels a bit like (my misunderstandings of) Gisin's arguments: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas_Gisin Interesting (to me) that I am just now trying to wade myself (with a snorkel?) t

Re: [FRIAM] The entropy of thought

As for GPT's introspective (especially retrospective) explanations: I'm starting to sincerely doubt the sanity of such queries. I haven't looked into it much. After I sent that, I realized that I don't trust George to actually have introspected/retrospected, but rather that it *reconstruct

Re: [FRIAM] The entropy of thought

tation, perhaps such will help me recognize that all above are in fact un-interesting. *From:*Friam *On Behalf Of *steve smith *Sent:* Thursday, May 29, 2025 8:13 AM *To:* friam@redfish.com *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The entropy of thought < The interesting question is where exactly

Re: [FRIAM] The entropy of thought

atGPT can make mistakes. Check important info. On 5/29/25 8:13 AM, steve smith wrote: < The interesting question is where exactly does the deterministic system turn into something nondeterministic, and how?> It doesn’t.  A deterministic system is a deterministic system. who m

Re: [FRIAM] The entropy of thought

< The interesting question is where exactly does the deterministic system turn into something nondeterministic, and how?> It doesn’t.  A deterministic system is a deterministic system. who might have first made the distinction : "deterministic but not pre-stateable"? George offered: Year

Re: [FRIAM] ML ⇔ understanding (was Epistemic Holography)

or. Musk and Jobs were great cult leaders, telling their slaves to reify some vision, then taking credit for that slave labor when the slaves make it happen (and equivocating when the slaves fail). Fake it till you make it. [⛧] FWIW, I doubt the academy is all that different. Grantsmanship

Re: [FRIAM] Trump and Afrikaner Refugees

Pieter wrote: I'm an Afrikaner living on a farm in South Africa. I recently came across some of the claims circulating—especially from the Trump camp—about how dire things supposedly are for white Afrikaner farmers here. Just to set the record straight: I don't identify with that narrative. P

Re: [FRIAM] ML ⇔ understanding (was Epistemic Holography)

Cynical aside to Pieter: I think Altman's only vision is a personal net worth greater than his old partner Elon. davew I believe that for both of them, money is merely a means or constraint to achieving much more abstract, idiosyncratic, hallucinatory, utopian visions.   Musk's is clearly roo

[FRIAM] Wolfram interview w/Sean Kim

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg1u11IHFj8 No matter your opinion of Wolfram and his works,  I think this is a very insightful reflection on the history of AI as observed/experienced from his unique perspective. I met him in 1983 when he was still a "boy genius" at 24.   He attended (presen

Re: [FRIAM] Trump and Afrikaner Refugees

Pieter Steenekamp wrote: South Africa eagerly awaits President Cyril Ramaphosa’s upcoming meeting with U.S. President Donald Trump, a significant diplomatic breakthrough. An insightful article from Daily Maverick highlights how Ramaphosa achieved this feat through influential connections and a

Re: [FRIAM] Epistemic Holography

On 5/20/25 10:19 AM, glen wrote: I was confused by your post. But that resolved after reading the article. If we think of Markov blankets and the holographic principle, then the analogy to a hologram makes a bit more sense. This was outside my consideration when I read it, but I definitely

[FRIAM] Epistemic Holography

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-digital-self/202505/llms-arent-mirrors-theyre-holograms I know a bit about holography and holograms and have been known to use optical metaphor for information analysis (semantic lensing and ontological faceting) but I don't know how I feel about this

Re: [FRIAM] Trump and Afrikaner Refugees

nment of South Africa, and find meaning in its challenges and opportunities. On Sun, 18 May 2025 at 20:18, steve smith wrote: Pieter - > I'm an Afrikaner living on a farm in South Africa. I recently came > across some of the claims circulating—especially

Re: [FRIAM] Trump and Afrikaner Refugees

Pieter - I'm an Afrikaner living on a farm in South Africa. I recently came across some of the claims circulating—especially from the Trump camp—about how dire things supposedly are for white Afrikaner farmers here. Do you actually refute Trump's characterizations? Like his statements effect

Re: [FRIAM] Entropy and atmospheric potential vorticity

Frank wrote: Doug Roberts? Oh, if ever Doug was rolling in his grave. The swirlies and nouggies I might have endured if he were still alive. NIck I'd almost forgotten about Doug's compulsive adolescent snark directed at your fascination with vortices. It makes me wonder what he'd m

Re: [FRIAM] chatbot friends and parasociality

Marcus wrote: It would be a good use case for agentic AI with Gemini. I tried it..no, gmail/gemini can't cooperate in this way yet. In a few years (months?) I expect I will barely remember maintenance tasks like this.  Most of my software updates and backups and such are so transparent I h

Re: [FRIAM] Your personal truth

sure if it makes sense? In authoritarian systems you are not allowed to criticize the ruler, in totalitarian systems neither the ruler nor the ruling party. <.EmailTempImageHEV_1746829057729.jpg> -J. Original message From: steve smith Date: 5/9/25 10:43 PM (GMT+01:00)

Re: [FRIAM] Your personal truth

Jochen wrote: Knowing *their* emotions could be the key. Maybe one major reason why Donald Trump's followers find him so persuasive is that they have the impression he knows what they feel, because what he says fits exactly to how they feel. The most selfish and narcissistic person who is i

Re: [FRIAM] Your personal truth

Jochen  wrote: Please excuse me if I have accidentally set off an eternal loop of thought from which there is no escape (although what if consciousness is such an eternal, strange loop for which there is no solution? At a certain level/dimension of abstraction, how could it be otherwise?

Re: [FRIAM] Your personal truth

The geometric metaphor/analogy oft used here to discuss LLMs (and othr contemporary Generative AI?) is that of interpolation. While I am compelled by this myself, (subsampling and gradient following on high dimensional manifolds) I am also lead to believe/suspect that topological interpolation/

Re: [FRIAM] chatbot friends and parasociality

glen wrote: \ (That doesn't mean Nick's attraction to ChatGPT isn't based in loneliness. It's prolly *epistemic* loneliness.) I'd guess SteveS' use is more like chatting, given his posts wander around so much. Think you are not-wrong in the sense that my conversations with LLMs can be tangen

Re: [FRIAM] This morning's hailstorm

On 5/6/25 12:25 AM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: *To Non-Santefeans:  the occasion for this correspondence is the fact that it has rained, thundered, and hailed pretty steadily here for the last two days, a lot of it at night.  Total rain not that great (over an inch) but the steadiness and the

Re: [FRIAM] This morning's hailstorm

On 5/5/25 1:32 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: so, as the Chief Weather Nerd on the list,  I thought I ought to be able to say something about this morning's hail storm.  I can't really. I live north of Santa Fe, at the point were the Rio Grande cuts through the lava fields from the Jemez thus

Re: [FRIAM] Just broke grok3

I was guessing that Grok's hidden guardrails included "hard questions" ultimately being referred to Elon's DOGEbois acting as mechanical Turks with the *really hard* ones waiting for Elno himself to answer? On 5/4/25 5:30 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Mechanically, Grok seems kind of buggy to me.

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