Re: [FRIAM] Film

2022-01-07 Thread Merle Lefkoff
The first excellent climate change movie. The writers were so smart substituting a comet for global warming. Much faster--and even so no one was ready! They know we're doomed, and they nailed the reasons why. On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 8:40 PM Frank Wimberly wrote: > The film "Don't Look Up" came

[FRIAM] triage panels in Oregon

2022-01-07 Thread Marcus Daniels
"The Omicron surge does not allow time for the robust, comprehensive and fully inclusive community and clinician engagement needed to establish a more permanent triage tool for Oregon hospitals." "Care decisions should be based upon the likelihood of survival to hospital discharge." https://sh

[FRIAM] Film

2022-01-07 Thread Frank Wimberly
The film "Don't Look Up" came up in this morning's meeting. We saw it this evening. I now see it was mentioned. It's outstanding in my opinion. Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -.

Re: [FRIAM] From My Former Colleague

2022-01-07 Thread Frank Wimberly
Eric, Teddy Seidenfeld and Clark Glymour know each other *very* well. There is no chance that the Similarity of titles is coincidental. Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Fri, Jan 7, 2022, 6:20 PM David Eric Smith wrote: > The

Re: [FRIAM] The Insurrection Index

2022-01-07 Thread Jochen Fromm
Yes, reality is too complex to use just one model. More then one model is probably useful. Maybe also dynamical systems and/or replicator equations which are often used to describe evolutionary systems.Robinson and Acemoglu argue in their book "Economic Origins of Dictatorship and Democracy" tha

Re: [FRIAM] The Insurrection Index

2022-01-07 Thread Marcus Daniels
< I'm muddled in the middle, enjoying having friends who are much more experimental in those domains than I ever will be while also wincing at some of the self/other harm that seems to go with (at least the) illegal substances/activities as well as wincing at all the puritanical need to decide for

Re: [FRIAM] The Insurrection Index

2022-01-07 Thread Steve Smith
On 1/7/22 11:14 AM, glen wrote: Thanks for that validation. I think SteveS' conception is rooted in the US' typical puritanical approach to everything. I admit I'm ignorant of the history of HR. But my sense is that non-US regions have a richer cultural approach to handling drugs. Even China,

Re: [FRIAM] The Insurrection Index

2022-01-07 Thread glen
Well, the social costs associated with debilitating addiction are mostly unrelated to *death*. Actually the deaths of such people might *lower* the social costs ... not to be morbid. HR doesn't target deaths. It targets quality of life (of both the user and their support system) and bureaucrati

Re: [FRIAM] The Insurrection Index

2022-01-07 Thread Marcus Daniels
So, there are about 21 million people that are addicted to some sort of drug, 2.1 million that have an Opioid use disorder, and there are about 50k deaths a year related to opioids. Maybe the death counts just aren't big enough to pay attention to? (Putting this number in the context of, say,

Re: [FRIAM] The Insurrection Index

2022-01-07 Thread glen
I'll play! But I'd push not for *an* ABM, but a constellation of models, maybe not all ABMs. The main reason is for parallax. But a side reason is to explore the foundations of democracy. I just watched this talk (in celebration of World Logic Day next Friday): https://formalethics.org/sdm_dow

Re: [FRIAM] The Insurrection Index

2022-01-07 Thread Gary Schiltz
I’m in favor of what you describe, David. Good luck getting legislation in the USA passed that would enable that. (sarcasm mode on) Speaking of the word “enable”, I believe the pushback would be that such laws would be enablers by decreasing the risk of taking drugs. The risk makes drugs less appea

Re: [FRIAM] The Insurrection Index

2022-01-07 Thread Jochen Fromm
A good question. What is democracy and how can it turn into authoritarianism or fascism? There are a number of good books about fascism, like "The Anatomy of Fascism" from Robert Paxton, but as far as I know there is no agent-based model how a democratic backsliding works in terms of agents, sys

Re: [FRIAM] The Insurrection Index

2022-01-07 Thread glen
Thanks for that validation. I think SteveS' conception is rooted in the US' typical puritanical approach to everything. I admit I'm ignorant of the history of HR. But my sense is that non-US regions have a richer cultural approach to handling drugs. Even China, which we often ridicule as totali

Re: [FRIAM] The Insurrection Index

2022-01-07 Thread Steve Smith
Hm. My conception of HR seems completely orthogonal to yours. It *enables* liberty and autonomy. But the way you're describing it, "do-gooder", "interfere", "spirals", "homeostasis", etc., it sounds like an attempt to *manipulate* the users. Precisely, that was my point, it often manifests tha

Re: [FRIAM] The Insurrection Index

2022-01-07 Thread Prof David West
glen is describing the actual situation in Europe. I went to a lot of events where there was a table by the entrance where you could test the drugs (including heroin and opioids that remain very illegal there) you would be using at the event (and afterwords). This prevented both overdoses (you k

Re: [FRIAM] The Insurrection Index

2022-01-07 Thread glen
Hm. My conception of HR seems completely orthogonal to yours. It *enables* liberty and autonomy. But the way you're describing it, "do-gooder", "interfere", "spirals", "homeostasis", etc., it sounds like an attempt to *manipulate* the users. It's nothing like that. By taking my street drug to s

Re: [FRIAM] The Insurrection Index

2022-01-07 Thread Steve Smith
On 1/7/22 7:01 AM, glen wrote: .. And perhaps it's a manifestation of whatever core physiology it is that binds the [ma|pa]ternal-individual perspectives into a triangle. HR seems to cut a comfortable, practical slice through the mess, much like what I imagine a steely-yet-kind affect wou

Re: [FRIAM] The Insurrection Index

2022-01-07 Thread glen
As I read through your stories, I can't help but think of the "harm reduction" (HR) concept. There was a decent, recent Skeptoid podcast on the decriminalization of drugs in Portugal. It talked a bit about the difference between decriminalization and legalization. And that distinction seems to l

[FRIAM] From My Former Colleague

2022-01-07 Thread Frank Wimberly
Who wrote a widely cited paper with the title Why I am Not a Bayesian. "I have not found on the web any calculation of the probability that you have covid given that you have just decided to take a home covid antigen test and found a positive result. So I did a couple. Abbott Laboratories Rapid