Re: [FRIAM] Thread Bust: WAS: stygmergy, CA's, and [biological] development

2021-10-26 Thread Jon Zingale
I am sad to say that my favorite online cellular automata app is now deceased[†]. In the very early 2000's, I worked as a medical secretary, in gastroenterology, at the Cleveland Clinic, in Cleveland. Every day, I would take a bus and then a train and then walk to a ziggurat at the center of the ca

Re: [FRIAM] comonadic-style: WAS: stygmergy, CA's, and [biological] development

2021-10-26 Thread Jon Zingale
(reposted for readability) Comonads, like trees or stacks, are data structures which guide a computation along a chosen line and imply a mode of reasoning. That they first arose in the context of category theory should not make them lesser citizens. What the comonad captures is the essence of loc

[FRIAM] comonadic-style: WAS: stygmergy, CA's, and [biological] development

2021-10-26 Thread Jon Zingale
comonadic-style: WAS: stygmergy, CA's, and [biological] development Comonads, like trees or stacks, are data structures which guide a computation along a chosen line and imply a mode of reasoning. That they first arose in the context of category theory should not make them lesser citizens. What t

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

2021-10-26 Thread thompnickson2
Grand narratives. Oh, neener, neener, neener. I assume that we are all endowed with a very fuzzy ruleset from which patterns of association arise. What's grand about it. I admit to a desire to join with others in taking responsibility for our future. I think that such a joining is a "good",

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

2021-10-26 Thread uǝlƃ ☤ $
Well, I'm not fluent enough to know how deeply social contract thinking had embedded itself in the people who *liked* the document at the time. But social contracts are only one, very debatable, construction for "inalienable rights". Just because it makes the most sense to you, doesn't mean it p

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

2021-10-26 Thread thompnickson2
Yes. Thanks for the correction. Holton. I get it confused with Houlton, ME, which, by the way, is right next to Old Town, Me. Look. Rights are things we give one another by incurring obligations. The document should have read: "All people are created equal and they are endowed by their

Re: [FRIAM] Thread Bust: WAS: stygmergy, CA's, and [biological] development

2021-10-26 Thread Jon Zingale
*Usefulness* is almost certainly intensional. An *Image* can either be a beacon or a beckoning siren, with no way to distinguish from the type signature alone. That is, the use of an image may be maximally stateful. Discussion was at a point like this one, parallel discussions about canalization a

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

2021-10-26 Thread uǝlƃ ☤ $
Ugh. Sorry for this: Holton, not Houlton: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woody_Holton And the semantic slippery slope from moral equivalent to inalienable rights is just nonsense, trickery that should never be forgiven. Now, where I disagree with Dave is that it might be possible to establish so

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

2021-10-26 Thread thompnickson2
Dave, Glen, n all, I agree with Houlton that “All men are created equal AND they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights …” is a pretty good place to start. You will recall that I even think this leads in theory to a prejudice against inheritance and in practice to ta

Re: [FRIAM] Thread Bust: WAS: stygmergy, CA's, and [biological] development

2021-10-26 Thread uǝlƃ ☤ $
It raises, I think, the question of whether large diagrams/visualizations like these are *categorically* different from close examination of the "physics" of the system. For the CA, VoC gives you not only the presets for the rule, but the ability to edit the rule. It reminds me of Andy Wuensche'

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

2021-10-26 Thread thompnickson2
Hi Glen, Dave, As my rationalism has been routed and is retreating in disarray, I am inclined to think of charisma as a social process not an intellectual one. But I think it was Houlton who pointed out that these are not in any sense mutually exclusive, that a charasmatic idea can point to s

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

2021-10-26 Thread thompnickson2
Glen, n all, Sorry, I may have gotten my "-ists" mixed up. Thanks for the dope-slap. That doesn't change my sense that there are those out there who feel that the post civil war constitution is less valid than the pre-civil war constitution, perhaps because it was agreed to under duress.

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

2021-10-26 Thread Prof David West
from Glen's post: *Holton: [...] Can you and I, as an intellectual exercise, think of anything wrong with, all people are created equal, endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights? That’s not the whole story, but I can’t find anything wrong with that. Can you?* "endowed by their

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

2021-10-26 Thread uǝlƃ ☤ $
Very cool! I've added Fragments to my wishlist. I'm wondering how/if it relates to black radicalism, of which I'm still completely ignorant. Egalitarianism was briefly covered in the podcast: Holton: [...] Can you and I, as an intellectual exercise, think of anything wrong with, all people are

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

2021-10-26 Thread uǝlƃ ☤ $
I simply don't get this part of your post. If I replace "textualism" and "textualist" with "originalism" and "originalist", then it makes some sense. But the textualists are trying to keep the document *current*, right? It's the originalists who want the document to mean the same thing it meant

Re: [FRIAM] Thread Bust: WAS: stygmergy, CA's, and [biological] development

2021-10-26 Thread uǝlƃ ☤ $
Ha! Of course. Well, since you don't say what the "error" was, I suppose it's no skin off my nose. Both Windows and NetLogo are abominations. You choose your poison. >8^D If we take your "schooled to write a program yourself" point seriously, VoC would be the clear choice. If, instead, Miles is