Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate

2021-10-03 Thread Steve Smith
On 10/3/21 9:35 PM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > > Speaking of words, I thought wuwei was interesting.  It seems to mean > “nugatory”. > I would say not.  I see how you could see the relation, but I think SGs comparison to Physics' "least action" is inspired if not entirely correct either.  

Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate

2021-10-03 Thread thompnickson2
Speaking of words, I thought wuwei was interesting. It seems to mean “nugatory”. Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Stephen Guerin Sent: Sun

Re: [FRIAM] Future of Humanity

2021-10-03 Thread Steve Smith
> Apres moi, le deluge - davew Sadly, /this/ may be the greatest legacy of the boomer generation... I just got off the zoom with my 40ish daughters who each bought a house (first for one, second for the other) and have young children (3 and 9 respectively) and have been suffering the climactic

Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate

2021-10-03 Thread Frank Wimberly
We were at a friend's cocktail party in Pittsburgh. He was an MD and he had a cold. He poured himself a martini consisting of two shots of vodka, a couple drops of vermouth, and an olive. As he started to drink it he said, "I need to denature this virus." --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Fel

Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate

2021-10-03 Thread David Eric Smith
I am sure what you say below is right, Marcus, and it is true that I am focusing on a particular one of those definitions, albeit one that I think will ultimately be indispensable. I can perhaps be less cryptic by saying that the definition I am concerned with is one that is about patterns in r

Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate

2021-10-03 Thread David Eric Smith
To Nick (about non-computer examples of category errors), and To Frank (about common-language cases where being relaxed can create long-term troubles): I spend a good bit of time in the book with Harold, and in some small interviews I have done with various young people, and in some journal art

Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate

2021-10-03 Thread Stephen Guerin
On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 5:57 PM wrote: > Just to be clear – and perhaps nerdishly literal minded – I would NEVER > claim that word play alone is science; I would only claim that it has a > role to play. > > > > On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 10:59 AM wrote: > > You might help me distinguish between vici

Re: [FRIAM] Future of Humanity

2021-10-03 Thread Prof David West
"Apres moi, le deluge." davew On Sun, Oct 3, 2021, at 12:51 PM, Steve Smith wrote: >> I frankly can't imagine our "species" (Homo faber) surviving our own >> short sightedness long enough to make it to posthumanism. I suspect >> that Homo sapiens will survive the environmental apocalypse to come

[FRIAM] Future of Humanity

2021-10-03 Thread Steve Smith
> I frankly can't imagine our "species" (Homo faber) surviving our own > short sightedness long enough to make it to posthumanism. I suspect > that Homo sapiens will survive the environmental apocalypse to come, > but that the majority of our highly interdependent society will > quickly fall apart

Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate

2021-10-03 Thread Marcus Daniels
Eric writes: < A relation among a collection of things is precisely the kind of perfectly sensible and describable pattern that, nonetheless, cannot be projected down into the things. > Right. Here’s are a couple definitions of a type for sorted-ness in Idris and Coq. https://github.com/ste

Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate

2021-10-03 Thread Marcus Daniels
On the virus alive or non-alive question, I think it would probably boil down to different views of what life is. Each “view”, I expect would encompass hundreds of interacting predicates and one could imagine that some of them could be shown to be unsatisfiable in some views, and satisfiable i

Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate

2021-10-03 Thread Frank Wimberly
Nick, A naive definition of a compiler is that it's a computer program that translates languages like Fortran, Java etc. to machine language which computers can execute. Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sun, Oct 3, 2021, 10:41 AM

Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate

2021-10-03 Thread Marcus Daniels
A compiler is a stack of technologies to prepare a computer program to run on a computer. For the purposes of this discussion, we are talking about a few of the top layers that do parsing and semantic analysis. These steps ensure that the program is well-formed relative to a predefined synta

Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate

2021-10-03 Thread thompnickson2
Marcus, Frank, etc., I guess I need to know, functionally speaking, what a compiler is. Peirce had a job as a computer. He had time to be a philosopher because he was such a facile computer that he could do the job in a fraction of the time he was paid to do it. If he had been hired as a

Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate

2021-10-03 Thread thompnickson2
Thanks for the example, Frank. I hope others respond. I think of the standard category error to be of the form, “How Tall is the University” There is an odd kind of resemblance between category mistakes and metaphors. And Jokes. “Why do you rob banks, Mr. Sutton?””Cuz that’s where the m

Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate

2021-10-03 Thread Marcus Daniels
In some languages one can also track dependencies and enforce constraints on values. Suppose one generates an iterator object from a list to traverse a list. Obviously, that iterator depends on what is in the list. Applying it to another list is misuse. (For concreteness, suppose the itera

Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate

2021-10-03 Thread Frank Wimberly
Category errors, an opinion. In computer programming there are type errors. For example, in a strongly typed language it is an error to say real A := 2*3.75 This is because the machine code for integer multiplication is entirely different from that for floating point multiplication. In a more fo

Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate

2021-10-03 Thread David Eric Smith
Second note; apologies for two postings, because I forgot to include something: In that last reply I meant to mention that there is no shame (though I believe there is error) in committing to Zeno beyond necessity. One travels in illustrious company. I have wanted to write a semi-opinion pie

Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate

2021-10-03 Thread David Eric Smith
Not otiose, Nick, which is why I opened by saying it is a bit interesting. Although, thank you; I didn’t know the word otiose, and now I have it. I am a tiny bit more adequate person. You have given me two or three such new words over the past couple of years. I do indeed consider the genera