Re: [FRIAM] Kill it!

So, several avenues present. Import (bee visa) Japanese bees to teach American bees. Import (bee immigration) Japanese bees to supplant American bees. Send American bees to Japan to study Japanese bee methods in context. All this assumes some notion of bee culture transfer as opposed to genetic

Re: [FRIAM] Computer Monitors now?

For a projector, then you need to worry about a screen ( the wall isn't flat) and there's a whole new world of artifacts and short throws and stuff. Tradeoffs galore. But hey, the endless lure of the upmarket. On Tue, Aug 24, 2021, 21:40 Gillian Densmore wrote: > The Odessy 9 is probably a top

Re: [FRIAM] Computer Monitors now?

The Odessy 9 is probably a top 15 monitor. A LTT reviewer might call it a absolute unit of a monitor. lol 😂 alas at about 2.5k (onnsale) it'll be a Sea food diet kid of thing: I can See the monitor.* Ernest Q: at 49 inches is projector a better value (and idea )for repairability and how long it

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

I apparently accidently deleted the entire body of this message before sending. Ah, well. Let’s just stipulate that it was excellent and solved all problems and then forget about it, eh? N Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com

Re: [FRIAM] Kill it!

As far as the Japanese Hornets go, they hang in packs of 17 or so, send out scouts to find honeybee hives, attack the hives and behead all the bees. All. If you are unlucky enough to encounter and kill one, it releases a hormone that draws all it's compatriots to you. They will not be pleased, a

Re: [FRIAM] Computer Monitors now?

I got a Dell S3220DGF that was on sale a while back and I think was a good value. A better value than my Samsung Odyssey 9 which is still the best! From: Friam On Behalf Of Carl Tollander Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2021 6:45 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [

Re: [FRIAM] Computer Monitors now?

COOL!! thank you! I hadnn't thought about small TVs. We did that back in the day. a CRT was a CRT back then. On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 7:45 PM Carl Tollander wrote: > Best Buy, Wall in back of the computer sales desk, to your right as you > come in the front door. See them in action. There's

Re: [FRIAM] Computer Monitors now?

Best Buy, Wall in back of the computer sales desk, to your right as you come in the front door. See them in action. There's often a sale. Viewsonic is still good. There are some small TVs that can be monitors. Make sure your computer can drive the thing. Just because the connectors fit doesn

[FRIAM] On the: RLY!? side

What can possibly poses people to have a GD tantrum about vaccines. The cynical of me thinks it's basically a tantrum mixed with deranged and dangerous levels of trolling. While the "Jedi" side er the small part wanting to see the best of these GD raving lunatics. It's, frankly, baffled. The powers

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

Hans Moravec told me that when he was researching robot navigation his robots with vision would go quickly down a hallway but would slow down as they approached the stairway at the end. He said it looked like they were scared but what was really happening was that they had a lot more computation t

[FRIAM] Computer Monitors now?

lol this is Murphy's law or something? I have a ridiculously old Dell 15-20 inch computer monitor. It's stupidly old and just about falling apart. I need to replace it because it's got a crack. The crack has been there since I got it years ago., it started as a small dink in the monitor. I'd guess

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

So, good, but too many dimensions projected onto too few axes: > On Aug 24, 2021, at 11:48 PM, > wrote: > > But let me turn Glen’s steel-man obligation around. Aren’t you made uneasy > when people claim that to be private that which is plainly present in their > behavior? This seems to m

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

OK, EricC, pragmatist, what is the meaning of the expression “I have fear of X”? Nick Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of David Eric Smith

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EricS, Can I answer quickly because I want to say something but am already late to fix dinner? Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

> > For example if we want a robot that autocharges itself we must create > some sort of "hunger for energy". If we want a robot that protects > itself against physical danger we must provide it with a sense of fear My "Roomba" knockoff autocharges, ceasing it's relentless vacuuming activities to

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

On 8/24/21 10:54 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: > I suppose my problem is that I *do* think we can find "the sadness" inside > the brain ... well, not inside the brain, exactly, but inside the *body* ... > well, not *inside* the body but peri-body, localized *at* the body, but > extending out into the bod

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

Yes, if you use Google Translate it takes you from fit to ataque (seizure) and back to attack. I would have said in Nick's case "Vamos a enfadar a Nick" or "Nick se va a volver trastornado" or one of several other expressions none of which contains "tener". Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

> 'Nick is /having /a fit, just let him be." (I can't speak for other > languages, but I assume there are many others where that would be true.)  > > Nick está teniendo una rabieta...  In Spanish.  Perfectly parallel to > the English version. But if it were more appropriate to say "Nick is *throw

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

EricC, your overall frame I fully agree with. I was sort of hoping you would find the fog annoying enough to want to clear some of it. > On Aug 25, 2021, at 12:36 AM, Eric Charles > wrote: > > So This is JUST a question of whether we are having a casual conversation > or a technical one,

Re: [FRIAM] Kill it!

On 8/24/21 9:05 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: > I'm definitely rooting for the Murder Hornets! Little wimpy bugs need someone > to teach them what it means to be a real bug. These hipster bugs in the PacNW > are a bit sad ... kinda like the self-conscious nerds so popular in movies > and TV lately ... Wo

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

Brings to mind the marriage vow “to have and to hold" > On Aug 24, 2021, at 9:52 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > > Spanish has two words, "haber" and "tener" that are usually translated into > English as "to have". The former is the auxiliary verb and the latter > denotes possession. > > --- >

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

Hm. I guess we're back at the same point we've been several times. I'm pressing for methods by which to *compose* things. You either refuse, or cannot, address how purely intra-body signaling composes to trans-body signaling. *-ception is not monolithic. We can program various types of perceptio

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

Now this brings to mind “All we have to fear is fear itself.” -- a forecasted, often exaggerated sense of danger. The stories of people who are gasping for breath in an ICU but are afraid of the public health security state and losing their liberty. From: Friam On Behalf Of thompnicks...@gma

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

Pretty sure! (};-)] Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 5:56 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

Jochen, At the risk of being tiresome (the Erics will agree that I am, but for quite different reasons), any object, organic or silicon, that systematically avoids a class of stimuli when those stimuli intrude on them, is doing fear. Whether they are having fear is a question of language.

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

Hi, Glen, I would like to agree but I feel my ideas have been bent by your agreement. I want to say that as you are coming up the stairs with your bat in your hand and your heart racing, you have yet to EXPERIENCE, you are merely DOING it. It's the moment when you see those actions in the con

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

So, you agree that I *have* fear. Great! What remains is a calculus by which we can talk about the scoping of the feelings we have. Some feelings will have larger scopes. Some will have smaller scopes. Many of those feelings will be *purely* interoceptive, not merely peri-body, but intra-body.

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

Nice, Curt! Nice! Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Curt McNamara Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2021 1:11 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Comp

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

I suppose my problem is that I *do* think we can find "the sadness" inside the brain ... well, not inside the brain, exactly, but inside the *body* ... well, not *inside* the body but peri-body, localized *at* the body, but extending out into the body's context a bit. Glen. I pretty much ag

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

Yeah, I'm lucky that I don't feel much depression or sadness. I do sporadically (like yesterday morning) feel an intense sense of *impending doom*. If it's anything like depression, I feel for y'all. It's stultifying and very difficult to wiggle out of. Both my mobility and weight-lifting workou

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

Glen I feel moments of depression from time to time. They feel to me like heaviness in my chest more than anything attached to reality although sometimes it's stimulated by a thought like "that dusty lightbulb may never be cleaned" or some other trivial and irrelevant detail. It doesn't feel lik

Re: [FRIAM] Kill it!

By the subject, I thought this would be about the Taliban. On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 9:45 AM uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: > > ‘Kill it!’ US officials advise no mercy for lanternfly summer invasion > > https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/aug/24/pennsylvania-lanternfly-summer-invasion > > Am I so wrong

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

Ooh! Thanks for that. It may even be useful for upcoming work on chronic low back pain. FWIW, I'm also looking for citable research on what Scott Alexander calls "fixed state disorders": https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/what-should-we-make-of-sasha-chapins The bio-psycho-social model of ch

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

A sciencey view of emotions and where they are located in the body: https://www.pnas.org/content/111/2/646 Search emotions map for visuals that show a ton of different emotions. Curt On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 11:54 AM uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: > I suppose my problem is that I *do* think we can find

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

I suppose my problem is that I *do* think we can find "the sadness" inside the brain ... well, not inside the brain, exactly, but inside the *body* ... well, not *inside* the body but peri-body, localized *at* the body, but extending out into the body's context a bit. Just like with one's thumb

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

'Nick is *having *a fit, just let him be." (I can't speak for other languages, but I assume there are many others where that would be true.) Nick está teniendo una rabieta... In Spanish. Perfectly parallel to the English version. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 50

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

It’s the right kind of answer, Nick, and I don’t find it compelling. Put aside for a moment the use of “have” as an auxiliary verb. I can come up with wonderful reasons why that is both informative and primordial, but I also believe they are complete nonsense and only illustrate that there are

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

So This is JUST a question of whether we are having a casual conversation or a technical one, right? Certainly, in a casual, English-language conversation talk of "having" emotions is well understood, and just fine, for example "Nick is *having *a fit, just let him be." (I can't speak for other

Re: [FRIAM] Kill it!

I'm definitely rooting for the Murder Hornets! Little wimpy bugs need someone to teach them what it means to be a real bug. These hipster bugs in the PacNW are a bit sad ... kinda like the self-conscious nerds so popular in movies and TV lately ... Woody Allen destroyed masculinity. Those bugs i

Re: [FRIAM] Kill it!

And wouldn’t you know it is from C H I N A! > On Aug 24, 2021, at 7:54 AM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > > Those big wasps you got out there in the NW, they're kind of pretty to. > Shall I root for those? > > Nick Thompson > thompnicks...@gmail.com > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

Re: [FRIAM] Kill it!

Those big wasps you got out there in the NW, they're kind of pretty to. Shall I root for those? Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$ Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2021 10:45 AM To: FriAM Subject:

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

Eric, Many points well taken. I am particularly proud of being dope-slapped by Glen about being overly narrow in my understanding of “inside.” It was, as he said, a case of my failure to fulfill my obligation as a thinker to steelman any argument before I try to knock it down. But

[FRIAM] Kill it!

‘Kill it!’ US officials advise no mercy for lanternfly summer invasion https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/aug/24/pennsylvania-lanternfly-summer-invasion Am I so wrong to root for the bad guy? ... such a good lookin' bug. -- ☤>$ uǝlƃ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

Spanish has two words, "haber" and "tener" that are usually translated into English as "to have". The former is the auxiliary verb and the latter denotes possession. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Tue, Aug 24, 2021, 5:48 AM David Eric

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

For anybody interested in a new revolutionary version of how the brain works, there is a very interesting podcast where Lex Fridman interviews the neuroscientist Jeff Hawkins. Jeff reckons there are thousands of similar structures in our brain, each one of these with a model of the world making pre