Re: [FRIAM] da foist pictures of a black hole

2019-04-10 Thread Frank Wimberly
The thing is, astronomical images involve time exposures. Using the same telescope you could see the thing directly if your retina were sufficiently sensitive. Not going to happen. The above involves speculation on my part. Also I am highly medicated. --- Frank

Re: [FRIAM] da foist pictures of a black hole

2019-04-10 Thread Nick Thompson
Eric, May I have leave to ask you a ==> really dumb question<==? What does it mean to say that we have "seen" a black hole? It's a metaphor, right? In the sense that saying that we have "seen" an electron is a metaphor. And there is a lot of equipment that has been aggressively designed

[FRIAM] Simpler Spherical Cows

2019-04-10 Thread Carl Tollander
https://phys.org/news/2019-04-microscopic-swimmers-visual-perception-group.html Really paring down the classical flocking rules... C FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubsc

Re: [FRIAM] da foist pictures of a black hole

2019-04-10 Thread Eric Smith
Indeed, Gil, I was just on the piont of writing to the list, because I was surprised at no traffic on this stunner. There is a photomontage I would love to have, which I think doesn’t exist yet, but now can. Full M87 in the visible: http://hubblesite.org/image/2391/gallery (which I guess is ab

[FRIAM] da foist pictures of a black hole

2019-04-10 Thread Gillian Densmore
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/10/science/black-hole-picture.html ^ now that is amazing. Keep kicking arse science! FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfi

Re: [FRIAM] /Topic Latent in: Latent Topics was: enough sleep?

2019-04-10 Thread Merle Lefkoff
Everyone needs to understand---and soon---that the entitlement that allows us to exist as a species is disappearing rapidly as climate catastrophe continues to cascade. Everything else is noise. On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 1:02 PM Nick Thompson wrote: > One of you said: > > > > *and I can't help bu

Re: [FRIAM] /Topic Latent in: Latent Topics was: enough sleep?

2019-04-10 Thread Steven A Smith
> One of you said: > >   > > */and I can't help but wonder *why* individuals are so entitled to > think they deserve anything at all other than the opportunity to exist > ... if even that./* > I didn't say it but I will defend it.  Probably in one (or two) of my idiosyncratic ways: 1. I believe

Re: [FRIAM] /Topic Latent in: Latent Topics was: enough sleep?

2019-04-10 Thread Nick Thompson
One of you said: and I can't help but wonder *why* individuals are so entitled to think they deserve anything at all other than the opportunity to exist ... if even that. Lurking in the back caves of my liberal bleeding heart lurks a troll who responds badly to "entitlement" and its c

Re: [FRIAM] Latent Topics was: enough sleep?

2019-04-10 Thread Marcus Daniels
Steve writes: < From my ALife days, "Life" is a lot of things at once, while being roughly as simple as systems which increase negentropy in the flux of free energy sources. Your "struggle for power" is perhaps a reflection of the competition for better exposure to said "flux". >

Re: [FRIAM] enough sleep?

2019-04-10 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
In the sense that all causation is over-simplification, I can agree with you. But in the sense that function is distinct from material (ends distinct from means), I disagree. In particular, when we consider things like therapeutic compounds, many different compounds can achieve the same (or si

[FRIAM] Latent Topics was: enough sleep?

2019-04-10 Thread Steven A Smith
Marcus wrote, in response to Glen: > In the end, life is just a struggle for power. I think this is technically accurate, but may carry a cynicism which ignores some subtleties along the way?  It invokes the image attributed (I think) to Tennyson and perhaps exploited by Dawkins to provide contra

Re: [FRIAM] enough sleep?

2019-04-10 Thread Steven A Smith
Gary wrote: > I'm not a big fan of "why" questions. I think "why" is just an excuse > for not wanting to admit that we don't know "what" in sufficient > detail. To misquote Yoda, "There is no Why. What, or what not.". My framing of this is that "a well enough posed question has a self-evident answ

Re: [FRIAM] enough sleep?

2019-04-10 Thread Gary Schiltz
I'm not a big fan of "why" questions. I think "why" is just an excuse for not wanting to admit that we don't know "what" in sufficient detail. To misquote Yoda, "There is no Why. What, or what not.". On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 9:09 AM Marcus Daniels wrote: > On 4/10/19, 7:46 AM, "Friam on behalf o

Re: [FRIAM] keyboard and hard drive recommendations wanted.

2019-04-10 Thread Gillian Densmore
Thank you Gary! On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 6:31 PM Gary Schiltz wrote: > I had a "Happy Hacking" keyboard when I last worked for a living, and > loved it. The "light" version that I had doesn't have the Cherry switches, > but it was still good for the price. As for hard drives, they are cheap as >

Re: [FRIAM] enough sleep?

2019-04-10 Thread Marcus Daniels
In the end, life is just a struggle for power. As soon as one starts to think in terms of entitled or not entitled (beyond rhetoric and tactics), it is just taking your eye off the ball. Whether it is for the best or not is in the end, subjective. Btw, it's good you point out the concept of

Re: [FRIAM] enough sleep?

2019-04-10 Thread glen∈ℂ
The underlying thread seems to be the extent to which we are part of a fluid and the extent to which that fluid's phenomena are distinct from those phenomena generated by the individual parts, the humans. Individualist ⇔ socialist spectrum, the ontological status of groups (including whether y