[FRIAM] Eric Smith's 11-9 email.docx

2016-11-09 Thread Nick Thompson
Friends, I was still having trouble reading Eric's email from this morning (increasing eyesight problems) and so asked him for and received a clean copy which I put into a word document, for anybody else who may also be having problems. Thanks to Eric for helping me do this. Nick

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2016-11-09 Thread Marcus Daniels
What isn't possible at this point? https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/nov/09/trump-win-california-secede-calexit-silicon-valley?CMP=edit_2221 Silicon Valley investors call for California to secede from the US after Trump win

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2016-11-09 Thread Marcus Daniels
I don't agree with this, but it is a related argument. http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/cp/opinion/election-night-2016/stop-shaming-trump-supporters FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at S

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2016-11-09 Thread Marcus Daniels
Eric> This is the right question, Marcus, and I don’t know. I have met, or briefly worked with, a number of people who I think would have no idea what Gladwell is talking about in his parable on David and Goliath. I guess I should be thankful I have not met more. To this set of people, there

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2016-11-09 Thread ┣glen┫
It can't be a coincidence that it's always the Democrats that win the popular vote but lose the electoral vote. On 11/09/2016 09:47 AM, Tom Johnson wrote: > Simply that the Electoral College is, today, a screwy concept. And remember, > this happened in 2000 when the Republicans also prevailed.

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2016-11-09 Thread Steven A Smith
Eric - I did the same wade, reading it out loud to a compatriot and only found the cleaner version when I tried to print it just now. I appreciate the acute insight and well crafted description of the situation at hand your missive here presents. I am on my way to Ojo Caliente to soak out s

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2016-11-09 Thread Eric Smith
This is the right question, Marcus, and I don’t know. > Can we conclude that filling bellies will stop the growth of resentment? I > don’t know about that. The economy is in relatively good shape right now. > The unemployment rate has been at or below 5% for a year and jobs have been > added

[FRIAM] Friday 11/11

2016-11-09 Thread Frank Wimberly
Nick and I may arrive late to St John's Coffee Shop. He feels this might be disconcerting to regular attendees. We should be there by 9:30 or so. Carry on. Frank Frank Wimberly Phone (505) 670-9918 FRIAM Applied Complexity Group lists

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2016-11-09 Thread Edward Angel
Even if Congress were willing to get rid of the EC, the constitutional amendment could never get enough states to pass it. Ed ___ Ed Angel Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab) Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of Ne

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2016-11-09 Thread Roger Critchlow
Maine apparently legalized cannabis, too, though too close to call through the night. -- rec -- On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Owen Densmore wrote: > OTOH: California, Massachusetts and Nevada legalized marijuana. > > > FRIAM Applie

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2016-11-09 Thread ┣glen┫
I think it might be a testament to the idea that cities are hubs of innovation ... or at least progress. It's still populism, but perhaps not driven by resentment and being left behind, maybe more driven by what we _want_ to achieve. The intereresting topic of Texas came up at the election par

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2016-11-09 Thread Tom Johnson
*"**Interesting that HRC seems likely to win the popular vote. "* Simply that the Electoral College is, today, a screwy concept. And remember, this happened in 2000 when the Republicans also prevailed. I doubt a majority of Congress has the cajones to get rid of the EC. TJ

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2016-11-09 Thread Owen Densmore
Interesting that HRC seems likely to win the popular vote. Now what does THAT say about democracy? [image: Inline image 1] FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http:/

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2016-11-09 Thread Marcus Daniels
<> Boy are they in for a surprise. Marcus FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.

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2016-11-09 Thread Owen Densmore
OTOH: California, Massachusetts and Nevada legalized marijuana. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC

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2016-11-09 Thread Marcus Daniels
The margins were tight in some cases, so Comey and voter suppression tactics in places like NC could have been factors. But no excuses for Wisconsin and Pennsylvania it seems to me.And it wasn’t Nader’s (etc) fault -- that kind of discontent needs to be taken seriously by the relevant part

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2016-11-09 Thread Owen Densmore
Great post Eric, thank you. At first I was tempted to say "Democracy Sucks", but then I got to thinking that possibly it is an unstable equilibrium? Indeed, many claim that only 20% of the voters control the vote because 40% are dyed in the wool Democrats or Republicans. I.e. a very small part of

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2016-11-09 Thread Gillian Densmore
@Nick Thompson You are a speaker of sanity and truth! Feels as if I walked into a Sci Fi convention! Someone wake me up when we leave the 80's! Can I just call it for what this is, at least in book: Pasty white folks that think Trump will let them re-live nastaulgia? On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 9:2

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2016-11-09 Thread Owen Densmore
It's clearly class warfare. Best if we all meet several folks outside of our close knit community and meet some of "the rest of us". Trump said it well: “The forgotten men and women of our country will be forgotten no longer,” OTOH, I'm tempted to prod us to start a new blog: "We Told You So" whe

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2016-11-09 Thread Gillian Densmore
The better question is what's the beer like in Canada. :P On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 9:38 AM, Owen Densmore wrote: > You notice, of course, that the OP was right, right? > > ​What's spooky is, even tho the overall percentage is currently >> Hillery 67.8% Trump 32.1% >> (good as a sure thing, rig

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2016-11-09 Thread Owen Densmore
You notice, of course, that the OP was right, right? ​What's spooky is, even tho the overall percentage is currently > Hillery 67.8% Trump 32.1% > (good as a sure thing, right?) but the details show margins that could > easily lead to a Trump win. > There's even an article on the same site: "T

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2016-11-09 Thread Robert Gehorsam
Eric - I’m a lurker on this group from the East Coast. I think you have written an essential truth here. Would you (or anyone else here) object to my sharing this (just a copy/paste of the content, no names) to another private group I participate in? People on it are really struggling to m

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2016-11-09 Thread cody dooderson
If "take out the trash" is a code for "sail my house up to Canada", I want to "take out the trash" too, nudge nudge. But seriously how did this happen? Would this have happened with ranked choice voting? On Nov 9, 2016 6:57 AM, "Roger Critchlow" wrote: > Welp, just sitting around shaking my head

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2016-11-09 Thread Nick Thompson
Friends, Not since the Cuban Missile crisis have I been so frightened. Just because we were out of range, we in California thought that we could see how truly dangerous the situation was. We lived in Berkeley at that time, and we drove across the day to Golden Gate Park to try and get our

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2016-11-09 Thread Marcus Daniels
Eric Smith writes: “Facts matter in the real world of cause and effect, but in the choice world of resentment, they are beside the point. People under the power of resentment are unreachable in all those terms; they have shifted into a different space. Somehow that is what we have to deal with

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2016-11-09 Thread Gary Schiltz
If it's any consolation, I waded through your entire bounce-formatted post, it was that good. On Wednesday, November 9, 2016, Eric Smith wrote: > Sorry Friam. I sent this before from the wrong address, and then I > foolishly forwarded the bounce, which had been reformatted and partly > chopped

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2016-11-09 Thread Gillian Densmore
I guess I'll just be "that guy": W T F were people on voting for Drumpf? FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRI

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2016-11-09 Thread Eric Charles
Case study: We put several (non-toxic) items on the ground around a bird, and find that high-contrast mini-Styrofoam balls, high-contrast glitter, and several similar items result in pecking. From that we learn When Object [Bird] performs Function [Peck_Ground?] with the Cue/Argument [High

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: what other subject is there this morning

2016-11-09 Thread Marcus Daniels
Thanks, Eric. Great to hear from you today. From: Friam on behalf of Eric Smith Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 7:19:31 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIAM] Fwd: what other subject is there this morning Sorry Friam. I

[FRIAM] Fwd: what other subject is there this morning

2016-11-09 Thread Eric Smith
Sorry Friam. I sent this before from the wrong address, and then I foolishly forwarded the bounce, which had been reformatted and partly chopped up. This was what it looked like the firs time. E > I think what this all is about is the power of resentment. > > I think the engine underneath

[FRIAM] Fwd: what other subject is there this morning

2016-11-09 Thread Eric Smith
> Begin forwarded message: > > From: friam-ow...@redfish.com > Subject: what other subject is there this morning > Date: November 9, 2016 at 9:15:37 AM EST > To: desm...@elsi.jp > > Your email addresss was not recognized as a subscriber to the FRIAM > list. It's possible you are subscribed unde

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2016-11-09 Thread Roger Critchlow
Welp, just sitting around shaking my head this morning, think I'll take out the trash. -- rec -- On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 6:38 AM, Steven A Smith wrote: > Marcus - > > It would appear that your fears were more founded than I could have > imagined. > > It would also seem that I was standing in th

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2016-11-09 Thread Steven A Smith
Marcus - It would appear that your fears were more founded than I could have imagined. It would also seem that I was standing in the wrong lane staring down the headlights (again). Small solace, but I am pretty sure Gary took more Trump votes in every case than Jill took Hillary ones,