Re: [FRIAM] Interesting Link

2015-07-22 Thread Eric Smith
Thank you Merle, I like Piketty, and I like that book, as well as commentary he has given on responses to debt in European history and with respect to Greece today. I probably use the word theory in a way that is different than you intend here, but that's fine. How I would use a word is neith

Re: [FRIAM] Interesting Link

2015-07-22 Thread glen
On 07/22/2015 10:47 PM, Merle Lefkoff wrote: > Omigod! That's already happening. You really did say, "coopete", didn't you? Whew! Thanks for catching that. After I sent it I thought everyone would see it as a point mutation of "compete". ==

Re: [FRIAM] Interesting Link

2015-07-22 Thread Merle Lefkoff
Omigod! That's already happening. You really did say, "coopete", didn't you? On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:35 PM, glen wrote: > > > On 07/22/2015 10:20 PM, Merle Lefkoff wrote: > > I just got this, 8 hours after you sent it. No wonder I'm confused. > > I've been trying to track the X-Assp-* head

Re: [FRIAM] Interesting Link

2015-07-22 Thread Merle Lefkoff
Yes, obviously get out of the EuroZone, but why, Owen, not the EU as well? On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Owen Densmore wrote: > Interesting point on Greece recently, via Italian language podcast (La > Radio Ne Parla, RAI 1). > > Italians flock to Greece for vacations. The east coast of Italy

Re: [FRIAM] Interesting Link

2015-07-22 Thread Merle Lefkoff
Eric--there HAS been a great advance in economic theory. Have you read Piketty? And it's because this dorky guy knows how to make magic with metadata, not because his primitive male brain is more altruistic. And outlier economist Richard Smith has just published his dynamite book on the end of c

Re: [FRIAM] Interesting Link

2015-07-22 Thread glen
On 07/22/2015 10:20 PM, Merle Lefkoff wrote: > I just got this, 8 hours after you sent it. No wonder I'm confused. I've been trying to track the X-Assp-* headers to find reasons for the funny list behavior, from which I finally discovered why my e-mails resulted in the "[SPAM]" header (beyond

Re: [FRIAM] Interesting Link

2015-07-22 Thread Merle Lefkoff
Hi Nick, I just got this, 8 hours after you sent it. No wonder I'm confused. Thanks for your thoughts. Let's together hope that prosocial behavior is part of our evolutionary path. If our brains can't get there in time, we are indeed doomed. On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Nick Thompson wrot

Re: [FRIAM] Interesting Link

2015-07-22 Thread Steve Smith
I wonder if altruism is more prevalent among women than men? It’s my impression that this list is pretty heavily loaded with dorky, geeky guys (speaking for myself :-). At least from an evolutionary standpoint, it seems that we XYs may have less to gain by caring about anything but sowing see

Re: [FRIAM] Problemats

2015-07-22 Thread Steve Smith
Dave West said: my own connotation would be late night television infomercials - "it slices it dices, and more..." "what happens when you put a wicked-hard-problem in a Bass-O-Matic? Thanks for starting this riff of nonsense Nick...

Re: [FRIAM] Interesting Link

2015-07-22 Thread Owen Densmore
Whoa, our bailout was lots bigger: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/07/22/business/sizing-up-the-greek-and-american-bailouts.html?_r=0 On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 5:59 PM, David Eric Smith wrote: > Hi Marcus, and thanks, > > “4. Back to mechanism: If the above are correct, then any sub-syst

Re: [FRIAM] Interesting Link

2015-07-22 Thread David Eric Smith
Hi Marcus, and thanks, > “4. Back to mechanism: If the above are correct, then any sub-system of the > economy that depends on a bitcoin-like digital currency will be subject to > the stresses that come from an inflexible-supply money such as gold, and > those will need to be addressed somehow

Re: [FRIAM] Interesting Link

2015-07-22 Thread Marcus Daniels
Eric writes: Wow, thanks for all that! “4. Back to mechanism: If the above are correct, then any sub-system of the economy that depends on a bitcoin-like digital currency will be subject to the stresses that come from an inflexible-supply money such as gold, and those will need to be addresse

Re: [FRIAM] Interesting Link

2015-07-22 Thread Owen Densmore
Interesting point on Greece recently, via Italian language podcast (La Radio Ne Parla, RAI 1). Italians flock to Greece for vacations. The east coast of Italy (Ancona area) has lots of ferries to get there. A weird problem popped up: the cash economy (which Italy shares). The banks have been limi

Re: [FRIAM] Interesting Link

2015-07-22 Thread David Eric Smith
Hi All, I was going to try to write something brief that avoided ideological questions (which I have no wish to get involved in on email threads), and said something I hoped would be useful that follows from being careful about consequences of mechanism. But it looks like it turned into a TLDR

Re: [FRIAM] Interesting Link

2015-07-22 Thread Gary Schiltz
I wonder if altruism is more prevalent among women than men? It’s my impression that this list is pretty heavily loaded with dorky, geeky guys (speaking for myself :-). At least from an evolutionary standpoint, it seems that we XYs may have less to gain by caring about anything but sowing seed acro

Re: [FRIAM] Problemats

2015-07-22 Thread Prof David West
my own connotation would be late night television infomercials - "it slices it dices, and more..." However I love the word.  When I hear it today, because of Friam, it evokes to memory our resident Welsh physicist, raising his finger with a knowing smile on his lips, saying, "...aaah, but it is mo

[FRIAM] Problemats

2015-07-22 Thread Steve Smith
Nick wrote: By the way, I hate that word problematic.  It suggest to anybody as old as I am that there is somewhere in NYC a cafeteria, called a Problemat, where one can purchase a juicy problem by putting a few coins in

Re: [FRIAM] Interesting Link

2015-07-22 Thread Gary Schiltz
Sorry, I don’t get the connection to population control. As to their motives for making competing currencies illegal, I haven’t read enough to find out why. By the way, don’t most countries make it illegal to use alternative currencies, or even bartering? I suppose the motive there is to enforce ta

Re: [FRIAM] Interesting Link

2015-07-22 Thread Nick Thompson
Merle, Well, it is odd from an evolutionary standpoint. I taught a course for 20 years entitled “The Paradox of Animal Sociality”, so it must be odd. One could, I suppose, argue that it’s not odd at all, since the organization of any individual body, indeed of any complex cell, implies th

Re: [FRIAM] Interesting Link

2015-07-22 Thread Steve Smith
Merle - So you think altruism is "odd"?  I feel so sorry for you, Nick!! I believe Nick's point was that humans have a capacity for a kind of altruism not seen in other animals. Most cultures seem to have a strong p

Re: [FRIAM] Interesting Link

2015-07-22 Thread Marcus Daniels
Gary writes: “As part of the legislation to introduce its own digital currency, it also made it illegal to use any other digital currency, e.g. Bitcoin.” An obvious motive would be population control, and secondarily as a new surveillance mechanism. Displacing cash with digital currency could

Re: [FRIAM] Interesting Link

2015-07-22 Thread Merle Lefkoff
So you think altruism is "odd"? I feel so sorry for you, Nick!! On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Nick Thompson wrote: > A. Now I see what this is all about. Thank you Gary. > > > > It seems to me, oddly enough, that bitcoin has to do with our odd, > species-specific tendency toward [what

Re: [FRIAM] Interesting Link

2015-07-22 Thread Nick Thompson
A. Now I see what this is all about. Thank you Gary. It seems to me, oddly enough, that bitcoin has to do with our odd, species-specific tendency toward [what evolutionary biologists call] altruism. There are, of course tremendous non-zero sum gains that flow for trust but he who tr

Re: [FRIAM] Interesting Link

2015-07-22 Thread Steve Smith
Good observations Gary, and good resources Merle... I recommend David Graeber's "Debt: the first 5000 Years" by DAvid Graeber     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt:_The_First_5000_Years Whether the end-all of perspective on our current conditi

Re: [FRIAM] Interesting Link

2015-07-22 Thread Merle Lefkoff
Gary, attached is link to another good article about alternative currencies. I personally wish that Greece were out of the EU--they won't have a chance to recover otherwise. On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Merle Lefkoff wrote: > Nice candid response, Gary. And I read with great interes

Re: [FRIAM] Interesting Link

2015-07-22 Thread Merle Lefkoff
Hi Nick, Visit our web site: www.emergentdiplomacy.org, click past our landing page, and read about Bretton Woods 3.0 that we're convening next year in Santa Fe. It will tell you all. Where are you? On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 12:23 PM, Nick Thompson wrote: > Hi Merle, > > > > Can you give one o

Re: [FRIAM] Interesting Link

2015-07-22 Thread Merle Lefkoff
Nice candid response, Gary. And I read with great interest your earlier posts about Ecuador. The thing to pay attention to, I think, is that because of the global failure of the structures in the present Bretton Woods system, some outliers around the world are serious about delving into the idea

Re: [FRIAM] Interesting Link

2015-07-22 Thread Nick Thompson
Hi Merle, Can you give one or two sentences to suggest why it interests you? N Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

Re: [FRIAM] Interesting Link

2015-07-22 Thread Gary Schiltz
Digital currency fascinates a lot of folks, including me. A lot of folks also don’t trust it, including me. I have no reason that I can easily articulate why I don’t trust it. Mostly, I think it’s because I don’t understand it very well, and that, in turn, is because I haven’t put in the effort. Or

[FRIAM] Interesting Link

2015-07-22 Thread Merle Lefkoff
http://www.coindesk.com/coin-center-bitcoin-advocacy-launch/# -- Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D. Center for Emergent Diplomacy Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA ​merlelefk...@gmail.com​ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at c