Yes, obviously get out of the EuroZone, but why, Owen, not the EU as well? On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Owen Densmore <o...@backspaces.net> wrote:
> Interesting point on Greece recently, via Italian language podcast (La > Radio Ne Parla, RAI 1). > > Italians flock to Greece for vacations. The east coast of Italy (Ancona > area) has lots of ferries to get there. A weird problem popped up: the cash > economy (which Italy shares). > > The banks have been limiting the amount of withdrawals. Apparently this > includes ATMs. But travelers have to be able to get a fairly large amount > of money out daily. So Greek retailers and restaurants are now accepting > credit/debit cards. > > Thus the VAT, which is huge, is now easily collected if cards are used. > > Another side effect: because its a cash economy, robbery is apparently > rising. Any tourist is likely to have several hundred euros. > > I really think Greece should stick with their "no" vote and simply stay in > the EU, not EuroZone. > > -- Owen > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Gary Schiltz <g...@naturesvisualarts.com> > wrote: > >> I wonder if altruism is more prevalent among women than men? It’s my >> impression that this list is pretty heavily loaded with dorky, geeky guys >> (speaking for myself :-). At least from an evolutionary standpoint, it >> seems that we XYs may have less to gain by caring about anything but sowing >> seed across the veldt, so to speak. Of course, even if that is true true, >> we are a heck of a lot more complex than that, and altruism has evolved in >> our species. Still, I wonder if it is more prevelant among women. >> >> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Merle Lefkoff <merlelefk...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> So you think altruism is "odd"? I feel so sorry for you, Nick!! >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Nick Thompson < >>> nickthomp...@earthlink.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Ahhhh. Now I see what this is all about. Thank you Gary. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It seems to me, oddly enough, that bitcoin has to do with our odd, >>>> species-specific tendency toward [what evolutionary biologists call] >>>> altruism. There are, of course tremendous non-zero sum gains that flow >>>> for trust but he who trusts, always runs the risk of being cheated. And >>>> people HATE to be cheated. I like the way your note threads its way >>>> between these two tendencies. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> N >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Nicholas S. Thompson >>>> >>>> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology >>>> >>>> Clark University >>>> >>>> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Merle >>>> Lefkoff >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 22, 2015 3:29 PM >>>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < >>>> friam@redfish.com> >>>> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Interesting Link >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Gary, attached is link to another good article about alternative >>>> currencies. I personally wish that Greece were out of the EU--they won't >>>> have a chance to recover otherwise. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Merle Lefkoff <merlelefk...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Nice candid response, Gary. And I read with great interest your >>>> earlier posts about Ecuador. >>>> >>>> The thing to pay attention to, I think, is that because of the global >>>> failure of the structures in the present Bretton Woods system, some >>>> outliers around the world are serious about delving into the idea of >>>> alternative currencies for a new, more transparent, participatory economy >>>> completely outside capitalism. There is a serious grass-roots movement in >>>> Santa Fe around public banking, which may be even more interesting. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Gary Schiltz < >>>> g...@naturesvisualarts.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Digital currency fascinates a lot of folks, including me. A lot of >>>> folks also don’t trust it, including me. I have no reason that I can easily >>>> articulate why I don’t trust it. Mostly, I think it’s because I don’t >>>> understand it very well, and that, in turn, is because I haven’t put in the >>>> effort. Or, perhaps it’s more that I don’t really understand the >>>> implications of money, in general. It really is a most un-natural idea, >>>> when you come right down to it. It’s just a token that represents >>>> agreements among people within this other crazy thing that we have >>>> invented, called government, that legislates a monopoly on the creation of >>>> this un-natural substance (money). I’ve heard lots of horror stories about >>>> hyperinflation in countries that start generating lots of money (I do know >>>> that this is impossible with digital currency), and this in turn leads to >>>> people not wanting to accept the currency, which feeds into some kind of >>>> feedback loop until the whole thing (government, currency) comes crashing >>>> down. So, unless people really understand this new thing (digital >>>> currency), will they accept it? Will they trust it? I don’t know. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Somewhat pertinent to the thread about Ecuador that I started a couple >>>> of weeks ago, Ecuador is strongly pushing its own digital currency. It >>>> claims that all of it will be backed in the central bank by American >>>> dollars (which it adopted in 2000). As part of the legislation to introduce >>>> its own digital currency, it also made it illegal to use any other digital >>>> currency, e.g. Bitcoin. Some see it as a way of a backdoor exit from the >>>> dollar. I have many unanswered questions myself, including whether the >>>> software to generate manage the currency is open source, and if not, has >>>> the government somehow added a back door for creating more. Here >>>> <http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/26/ecuador-digital-currency-dollar-rafael-correa> >>>> is one of many articles in English about this. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Merle Lefkoff <merlelefk...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> http://www.coindesk.com/coin-center-bitcoin-advocacy-launch/# >>>> <http://www.coindesk.com/coin-center-bitcoin-advocacy-launch/> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D. >>>> Center for Emergent Diplomacy >>>> Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA >>>> >>>> merlelefk...@gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ============================================================ >>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >>>> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ============================================================ >>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >>>> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D. >>>> President, Center for Emergent Diplomacy >>>> Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA >>>> me...@emergentdiplomacy.org >>>> mobile: (303) 859-5609 >>>> skype: merlelefkoff >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D. >>>> President, Center for Emergent Diplomacy >>>> Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA >>>> me...@emergentdiplomacy.org >>>> mobile: (303) 859-5609 >>>> skype: merlelefkoff >>>> >>>> ============================================================ >>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >>>> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D. >>> President, Center for Emergent Diplomacy >>> Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA >>> me...@emergentdiplomacy.org >>> mobile: (303) 859-5609 >>> skype: merlelefkoff >>> >>> ============================================================ >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >>> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>> >> >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > -- Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D. President, Center for Emergent Diplomacy Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA me...@emergentdiplomacy.org mobile: (303) 859-5609 skype: merlelefkoff
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