Re: [FRIAM] FW: Re: Friam Digest, Vol 104, Issue 9

2012-02-13 Thread Carl Tollander
Yes, I notice that I have a different facial expression if I'm trying to speak Japanese than if I'm trying to speak English. It's not that the phonemes themselves are that different (well, there's the 'rolled d' style 'r' and English has some that are not present in Japanese (e.g., 'ye' ('ya

Re: [FRIAM] FW: Re: Friam Digest, Vol 104, Issue 9

2012-02-13 Thread Roger Critchlow
Yep, I can hear the difference between pero y perro, but a consistent production of the double r eludes me as yet. I persist in believing that I can learn to make and to hear new sounds. One of my latest realizations is that it helps if you imitate the facial expressions that accompany the making

Re: [FRIAM] YES

2012-02-13 Thread Russ Abbott
I was just playing with a "memory game" (of grid squares filled in and not filled in ) and found that to remember more complex configurations I created patterns as a memory aid. For example, if there was a block of three squares in one corner and two separate squares elsewhere, I would remember the

Re: [FRIAM] FW: Re: Friam Digest, Vol 104, Issue 9

2012-02-13 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Roger, I was taught in graduate school that the ability to make and hear phomenes of all language is inborn, but as you learn a language, you lose the ones you don't need, and after about age six, it's hard (or impossible?) to get them back. I also heard that there was some language school in

Re: [FRIAM] FW: Re: Friam Digest, Vol 104, Issue 9

2012-02-13 Thread Roger Critchlow
I was torturing myself yesterday listening to Spanish instructional material in my car. The tapes spent a lot of time presenting minimal contrasts between vowels in different contexts, between consonants, or between alternative stresses. I can hear some of the contrasts quite clearly, I can hear

Re: [FRIAM] FW: Re: Friam Digest, Vol 104, Issue 9

2012-02-13 Thread Eric Smith
Eric, hi, There is a (to me) fun similarity between this sequence you have illustrated, and some pathologies and treatments in rapid auditory processing, in which the workers I know are April Benasich and Paula Tallal (this, from a few years ago). The stopped phonemes, particularly the voice

Re: [FRIAM] Friam Digest, Vol 104, Issue 9

2012-02-13 Thread Douglas Roberts
I've been meaning to complement you on the great strides you've been making in honing and polishing your inter-personal interaction skills, Nick. 'Atta boy! -- Doug Roberts drobe...@rti.org d...@parrot-farm.net http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455

Re: [FRIAM] YES

2012-02-13 Thread Victoria Hughes
Easier to interpret the sabertooth in the underbrush, and procreate thereby.From a visual maker's perspective, the human compulsion for pattern recognition leads to much of the engagement of art, in all forms. Tory Tory Hughesunusual objects and unique adornments www.toryhughes.comwww.toryhughes-ga

Re: [FRIAM] YES

2012-02-13 Thread Owen Densmore
http://goo.gl/J363l has a conversation on the YES OP. I found it interesting that our brain can use pattern recognition to decode scrambled text as easily as it does. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-1

[FRIAM] FW: Re: Friam Digest, Vol 104, Issue 9

2012-02-13 Thread ERIC P. CHARLES
Benny, The first quote is the only one I think is from me. To clarify: When you say that the phenomenon is "reading gibberish", then it seems like it might be a skill. However, if you phrase it as a failure to distinguish gibberish from properly written words, or as mistaking gibberish for properl