Re: [Freesurfer] Pial surface consistently misplaced

2013-07-01 Thread Martin Reuter
Hi Jon, this is for the cross sectional stream, so it is the same as what you did when you processed your data independently. You point recon all to some input file and it generates the subject/mri/orig/001.mgz etc . You can also do this in two steps, the -i to import your data and then the -

Re: [Freesurfer] Pial surface consistently misplaced

2013-07-01 Thread Jonathan Holt
OK, so I should plug the nifti's as opposed to the freesurfer generated mgzs jon On Jul 1, 2013, at 11:35 AM, Martin Reuter wrote: > Hi Jon > > That is one way of calling the regular recon-all stream. You point it to any > input file with the -i flag. Here dcm could be a dicom image, but can b

Re: [Freesurfer] Pial surface consistently misplaced

2013-07-01 Thread Martin Reuter
Hi Jon That is one way of calling the regular recon-all stream. You point it to any input file with the -i flag. Here dcm could be a dicom image, but can be nifti or another format. Best, Martin On 07/01/2013 10:17 AM, Jonathan Holt wrote: Martin, I'm going to experiment with data with bet

Re: [Freesurfer] Pial surface consistently misplaced

2013-07-01 Thread Jonathan Holt
Martin, I'm going to experiment with data with better image quality using the longitudinal stream. In the first step of the workflow I'm confused to what 'dcm' stands for in the following command recon-all -all -s -i path_to_tpN_dcm could you elaborate? jon On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 12:29 A

Re: [Freesurfer] Pial surface consistently misplaced

2013-06-28 Thread Martin Reuter
Hi Jon, The longitudinal stream in freesurfer is designed to reduce variability in situations where you have several scans from the same subject. The information, that it is the same subject, is valuable and by initializing many steps in recon-all with common data we can increase reliability of

Re: [Freesurfer] Pial surface consistently misplaced

2013-06-28 Thread Jonathan Holt
Martin, I hate to be noobish, but can you elaborate on the longitudinal stream? It may be that I'm doing entirely too much work. jon On Jun 28, 2013, at 11:38 AM, Martin Reuter wrote: > So you are not processing this with the longitudinal stream? You are just > running each image independently

Re: [Freesurfer] Pial surface consistently misplaced

2013-06-28 Thread Bruce Fischl
my guess is it that it is, as for whatever reason temporal WM seems to darken first in an array of disorders. I would start with a couple of control points cheers Bruce On Fri, 28 Jun 2013, Jonathan Holt wrote: We have 4 time points for that subject and it's an issue in all 4, to a lesser

Re: [Freesurfer] Pial surface consistently misplaced

2013-06-28 Thread Martin Reuter
So you are not processing this with the longitudinal stream? You are just running each image independently through freesurfer and look at the results? Is there motion in all the 4 time points in this subject or only in the one image that you send? With motion artifacts, surfaces are not very rel

Re: [Freesurfer] Pial surface consistently misplaced

2013-06-28 Thread Jonathan Holt
We have 4 time points for that subject and it's an issue in all 4, to a lesser degree in one of them, but still an issue. Same area, same hemisphere, every time. Perhaps it is pathology based, I am not entirely sure. On Jun 28, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Martin Reuter wrote: > Hi Jonathan, > > is th

Re: [Freesurfer] Pial surface consistently misplaced

2013-06-28 Thread Martin Reuter
Yes, but do these errors show up in the cross sectional data, in the base or in the longitudinal data (or all?)? Does it look good in the base? I'd suggest more skull strip where the pail grabs dura. On Jun 28, 2013, at 11:26 AM, Jonathan Holt wrote: > Martin, > > this is longitudinal proce

Re: [Freesurfer] Pial surface consistently misplaced

2013-06-28 Thread Bruce Fischl
oh, if it's that few then yes, but that wasn't what it looked like in the image you sent On Fri, 28 Jun 2013, Jonathan Holt wrote: Martin, this is longitudinal processing, would you recommend a more aggressive or less aggressive skull strip? Bruce, I've not seen this issue on more than a hand

Re: [Freesurfer] Pial surface consistently misplaced

2013-06-28 Thread Jonathan Holt
Martin, this is longitudinal processing, would you recommend a more aggressive or less aggressive skull strip? Bruce, I've not seen this issue on more than a handful of subjects. They're ALS, but I dont think that is the cause behind this. I'm unfamiliar with bias fields, but it's more likely

Re: [Freesurfer] Pial surface consistently misplaced

2013-06-28 Thread Martin Reuter
Hi Jonathan, is this in cross sectional processing or in longitudinal? One thing I notice is significant motion artifacts (ringing), which seem to lead to underestimation of WM, also you could fine tune the skull strip. Best, Martin On Jun 28, 2013, at 10:19 AM, Jonathan Holt wrote: > Hi all

Re: [Freesurfer] Pial surface consistently misplaced

2013-06-28 Thread Bruce Fischl
Hi Jonathan so you lose that entire gyrus? What are the intensity values of the wm in the brain.mgz in that region? And it's not present in the wm.mgz either? That means it's a segmentation problem not a topology one (which is what I would have guessed) Bruce On Fri, 28 Jun 2013, Jonathan Ho